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稳赚波波熊
2021-08-26
很多问题我占一
为什么只有少数投资者,能在股市中赚到钱?
稳赚波波熊
2021-07-27
$老虎证券(TIGR)$
突然觉得中概股好可怜,美股跌它也大跌,美股涨它也跌…
稳赚波波熊
2021-07-26
$富途控股(FUTU)$
咋整啊[流泪]
稳赚波波熊
2021-07-22
$法拉第未来(FFIE)$
懂车的人知道什么是真正的好车,值得期待可以傲世群车的产品实力,清晰的用户定位,靠谱的实力团队,就算贾总算个减分项也不能如此低估和错杀啊! 我盘前买,现在接着买!
稳赚波波熊
2021-07-09
$老虎证券(TIGR)$
这绝对是只**股票,大盘跌还是跌,大盘涨它也跌,以后盘前必卖!
稳赚波波熊
2021-07-05
造谣成本太低,对这种人就应该严加惩罚,另外稍稍有脑子的人或者干过数据安全的人都知道,这种公司级别对于信息安全对于个人信息是有非常严格的管控的,我也相信嘀嘀是不敢把这种数据交给美国的。
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稳赚波波熊
2021-07-02
$滴滴(DIDI)$
至于吗?一则正常新闻弄得股价大跌,是股民对公司没信心了还是借机吸筹?
稳赚波波熊
2021-06-28
这是唯一一只我买了让我亏钱的新能源汽车股票,再一看又太高了,拜拜吧😪
稳赚波波熊
2021-06-28
看以往走势,今天大概率跌
稳赚波波熊
2021-06-27
上汽早就尝试过类似混改,赛可电子商务(车享/家),东风汽车效果待观察,不会好过上汽吧。
岚图汽车成立独立法人公司 员工持股超10%格隆汇6月26日丨岚图汽车成立独立法人公司,公司注册名为“岚图汽车科技有限公司”,由东风汽车集团股份有限公司和岚图汽车核心员工持股平台共同出资成立,其中核心员工持股占比10%以上。
稳赚波波熊
2021-06-25
#每日优鲜最近打新运气不错[开心]
稳赚波波熊
2021-06-23
$富途控股(FUTU)$
好票啊!👍
稳赚波波熊
2021-06-23
还差一张T,需要任何一张其他字母的请跟我联系,谢谢!
稳赚波波熊
2021-06-23
$每日优鲜(MF)$
还有个叮咚买菜,这俩同时ipo,要不要打新呢?
稳赚波波熊
2021-06-15
$老虎证券(TIGR)$
大盘不好 对你有信心,不看了,睡觉
稳赚波波熊
2021-05-25
$富途控股(FUTU)$
上上下下都几波了,从最多的时候赚 30% 到最差的时候亏了 20% ,早知道该出的时候出点,在最低点接回来也不敢操作,美股和大癌股真不一样[害羞]
稳赚波波熊
2021-03-31
$老虎证券(TIGR)$
大跌至今先后割了亏了4k,希望剩下的能把亏的给补齐了吧。老虎加油啊!
稳赚波波熊
2021-03-31
最讨厌那种拿这种事件泄愤国人同胞的行为和人
@爱上趋势股:新疆棉事件,吹响了“国产服装”崛起的号角!
稳赚波波熊
2021-03-31
差不多这波可以了
@问就是加仓up:中概股持续杀跌,抄底还是敬畏市场?
稳赚波波熊
2021-03-31
这篇文章不错,转发给大家看
@李欧成:从业6年的电子烟投资人告诉你如何看待电子烟监管风暴
去老虎APP查看更多动态
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1.监管的直接影响 本次征求意见稿最引人注目的就是“电子烟等新型烟草制品参照本条例中关于卷烟的有关规定执行”,最为市场担心的就是,将电子烟纳入烟草管理条例由烟草专卖行政主管进行管理。但这种风险我认为不大,首先由发文机构来分析,本次征求意见稿的是由工信部提交而非烟草专卖局,基本可以确定未来电子烟的行政管理权归属工信部与烟草专卖局和工商管理部门联合管理。 我们业内其实最担心的是将电子烟纳入烟草专卖法进行管理,而现在是“参照”现有有关规定执行,说明在现有情况下新型烟草并未完全视同为烟草制品,利用现有法律条例进行依法监管,未来不排除针对新兴烟草进行新的立法。目前对于我们电子烟业内的共识是利好,因为是“依法监管”而非禁止。 而将电子烟纳入监管范围有4大环节,分别为烟油烟弹的生产加工、烟具的生产加工、产品流通、销售。烟油里只有4种成分(尼古丁盐、丙二醇、丙三醇、香精香料),丙二醇、丙三醇属于基础化工产品,香精香料属于食品添加剂,尼古丁属于危险化学品,目前只有尼古丁和尼古丁盐是有可能会被监管的成分,但我个人认为监管不会完全切断尼古丁的生产,因为目前尼古丁已经有人工合成尼古丁了,参照烟草管理核心资料对生产、运输、经营都需要取得资质。 我认为比较有可能的监管措施是限制尼古丁含量/浓度,像欧盟TPD一样要求将烟油的尼古丁浓度限制为2%(目前常规产品为3.5-5%)。上游工厂和品牌对尼古丁浓进行调整,下游消费者需求仍可以满足,电子烟产业链整体合规化经营发展。而烟弹烟具的生产加工,更像是电子","listText":"Hello!各位虎友,我是博派资本的李欧成,作为6年的老虎友第一次在老虎社区内跟大家交流。我本人是国内最早的电子烟投资人,早在2015年我就开始投资电子烟的上下游产业,并且我也是RLX和思摩尔的重仓长期持有者,今天工信部发布关于电子烟监管的征求意见稿,各位虎友对于电子烟行业监管风暴议论纷纷,我来讲下我的看法。 1.监管的直接影响 本次征求意见稿最引人注目的就是“电子烟等新型烟草制品参照本条例中关于卷烟的有关规定执行”,最为市场担心的就是,将电子烟纳入烟草管理条例由烟草专卖行政主管进行管理。但这种风险我认为不大,首先由发文机构来分析,本次征求意见稿的是由工信部提交而非烟草专卖局,基本可以确定未来电子烟的行政管理权归属工信部与烟草专卖局和工商管理部门联合管理。 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