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forcec
01:04
$蔚来(NIO)$
现金419亿,应付供应商货款343亿,能动用的钱付了货款还剩76亿。
forcec
03-21 14:08
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@鹿鼎公韦小宝
:B站有个UP主分析过,好像要年销44w台才行
forcec
03-21 14:06
很好算啊,蔚来的收入很单纯:卖车,按照未来均价25万一台,毛利率按照当前的13%,一台毛利3.25万,按照去年的亏损220亿,需要增加68万台销售。结合去年销量22万台,于是可知:在公司整体车型均价25万的钱前提下,维持当前开支,年销量90万台可扭亏。
forcec
03-21 14:01
$蔚来(NIO)$
过去的两个季度,亏损了大约120亿,现金流只伤了点皮毛---减少了3亿。那么亏损都被谁承担了呢?
forcec
03-21 13:33
$蔚来(NIO)$
好家伙,三季报现金422亿,四季报亏损66亿,现金还剩419亿,感情所有的亏损都由供货商承担着啊!牛!
forcec
03-21 09:53
$蔚来(NIO)$
今天会涨,盘前买点
forcec
03-20 14:45
$蔚来(NIO)$
那些说蔚来可充可换,蔚来充电桩也是最多的,建议不要坐井观天。蔚来迄今为止的充电桩数量大概是2.5万根,知道全国的运营桩数量接近400万根,蔚来1%都不到。以特来电为例,特来电一家的运营桩就是75万根。其实这些数据没有什么意义,因为充电桩都是国标,除了极个别,基本都是任何车型都能充,车商建桩在充电桩市场只占很小一部分。相对于蔚来2000多座的换电站,更是可怜得像个笑话。自己一家闭门搞补能体系,怎么可能和全社会的投入去抗衡?
forcec
03-19
$蔚来(NIO)$
宁德时代是做电池的,各家车企不愿意被绑架都希望多种选择,宁德时代搞换电是想统一电池把车企拴死,蔚来去跟宁德时代合作换电无异于与虎谋皮。而且除了蔚来有兴趣谁会往里冲?宁德时代也不过放放卫星,真没人跟进不会向蔚来这样傻傻投,以为这就是给换电正名了,未免有点太天真。
forcec
03-19
$蔚来(NIO)$
合肥投资的是蔚来中国,宁德时代计划投资的是蔚来能源,这两个看上去都是蔚来,跟上市公司的蔚来不是一回事。蔚来现在经过多轮融资,李斌的股权已经不足10%,继续融资下去,控制权都快要不保了。所以聪明的办法是牺牲控股公司的股权。蔚来中国可以理解为蔚来汽车的核心资产,之前合肥国资靠70亿占股约25%,这次再融资,估计占股会超过30%。而蔚来能源就是蔚来充换电站的主体,之前蔚来的占股是90%左右,宁德时代之前已经入股了蔚来电池资产,这次如果预计投资的是蔚来能源,那么预计占股会到15~20%。经过这么两**作下来,李斌虽然进行了一轮新的融资,但是靠的是稀释控股公司的股权,没有直接威胁到李斌对蔚来整体的控制权,也就是这么回事 。但是任何资本都是有代价的,这两轮融资的代价就是:在座的各位股民,包括李斌,手里的股东权益都被进一步稀释了。而且蔚来的融资腾挪空间进一步收窄,就算蔚来中国和蔚来能源,能经得起几轮这样的稀释?早晚要面临的是要么资金枯竭,要么交出控制权,要么再没有相信你。而这些融来的钱,也就够蔚来一个季度的挥霍而已。一个季度很快,之后大家会发现,什么都没改变。车还是卖不动,换电站又多了,车型又多了,钱又没有了。
forcec
03-19
$理想汽车(LI)$
$蔚来(NIO)$
$小鹏汽车(XPEV)$
这下好了,周销量被闹没了,群众喜闻乐见的东西,都有人泼脏水。
forcec
03-18
$小鹏汽车(XPEV)$
短期涨太多,获利盘了解,没什么好担心的
forcec
03-17
$蔚来(NIO)$
财报出来,收入利润什么的都没有什么看头了,核心只看一个数据:净资产。现金流会骗人,像去年三季度,亏损50多亿,现金流还增加了,在没有融资的情况下,只能理解为大量的供应商货款没付,但这些负债是会体现在净资产上的。四季度亏损看上去没有收窄的迹象,那么净资产估计悲观的话只有50亿左右了,按这个趋势,今年一季报,没有新融资的话,蔚来净资产将接近归零,事实上破产。那时候无论市场信心还是股价可能瞬间崩溃,这已经很快了。
forcec
03-12
$蔚来(NIO)$
如果认为蔚来就要反转了,那就太天真了。这连反弹都算不上,这就是散户自嗨共振。
forcec
03-11
$小鹏汽车(XPEV)$
减仓了,短期预期拉得有点满了,等财报后减完
forcec
03-11
$蔚来(NIO)$
每一次上涨都是出逃的时机
forcec
03-10
$蔚来(NIO)$
蔚来面对的是结构性问题,不是什么狠抓管理、告别务虚、控制成本就能解决的。什么是结构性问题?1、换ceo和总裁;2、抛弃换电;3、抛弃高端纯电;4、抛弃多品牌战略;5、抛弃服务导向。以上任何一点,都是一座大山,加起来就是五座大山。仔细想想,蔚来一座也没有能力移除,哪怕削去一点。所以,继续喊口号,假装改变,或者被迫改变,不会有任何作用。蔚来不仅无法自救,甚至慢慢在丧失被收购的价值。
forcec
02-26
$蔚来(NIO)$
任何一次上涨都是卖出的好机会
forcec
02-25
$蔚来(NIO)$
理想:316亿,小鹏:183亿,蔚来:93亿。烧钱最多的公司市值最低。
forcec
02-12
$蔚来(NIO)$
李斌称,在现有的 22 万台销量下,蔚来销量翻番,如果都没有实现盈利,“证明钱花多了,得看钱到底是怎么花掉的。”—— 李老板,不用到年底,现在就能算清楚。增加22万台销售,算上乐道,均价妥妥低于30万,就算均价还是30万,增收660亿,按最新季报13%的单车毛利率,毛利增加85.8亿,已知去年亏损200亿,所以即使销量翻倍,所有开销都不增加,还能维持毛利和均价,到年底也要亏损115亿。这还需要等到年底再看? 如果按单季度算,去年3季度交付大约6万台,亏损50亿,要填补这个亏空,要多卖13万台车以上,而且要确保不增加开销也不加大优惠而且以蔚来品牌为主。也就是说单季度实现盈利的最低销售目标是20万台以上。不是每年,是每个季度。所以李斌说今年四季度要盈利,除了玩财务花招,暂时看不到希望。 问题是这么显而易见的问题,需要年底再看?
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第一宗罪:换电。很多人吹嘘蔚来的核心优势是换电,在我看来换电正是蔚来的灭顶之灾。换电可以说一无是处。补能是一个体系,蔚来鼓吹的换一次电只需要5分钟,但是别忘了,换电是单任务系统,我们在考虑谁更优时,不是看一台车,是看一堆车。超充技术就算做不到10分钟充满电,现在轻松30分钟也补够了,而蔚来的换电全程要接近10分钟,比换电快吗?没意义。假如有60台车要充电,换电10分钟一台,充电30分钟一台,一个大一点的充电站都有30跟枪,那么一个充电站把100台车补满电只需要一个小时,而一个换电站把60台车换完需要10个小时。一个充电站的效率是换电站的10倍。有人也许会说:又不是只有一个换电站,没错,就算一个城市有十个换电站,也基本只相当于一个充电站的补能效率。更何况,你去另一个换电站路上不耽误时间吗?蔚来换电站的选址极其苛刻,一个城市可供建设换电站的地方很少,尤其主城区。而充电站全城市以后不知道有多少,不是一个量级。 换电完全没有优势吗?有的,在车辆还非常不普及的前提下,只要不排队,貌似是有优势的。仅此而已。考虑到换电站不像充电随时附近都有,那么算上你开车去换电站的时间,这点优势好像有点模糊? 如果换电只是个笑话,那也还好,毕竟可以去充电嘛。但是换电第一是成本高昂,为了那华而不实的东西,一个换电站的建设成本轻松超过一个大型充电站,而且养一堆人,蔚来为此付出高昂成本。第二个问题是:换电结构极大制约车身设计,不仅影响内部空间,也与当前车身电池一体化趋势违背。第三是蔚来因换电建设","text":"$蔚来(NIO)$蔚来的四宗罪与一个机会。 闲来无聊,继续说蔚来,没办法,它的关注度最高。我关注美股是因为蔚来,时至今日仍然每天关注蔚来。我不是蔚来的天然黑,曾经最看好它,如今却最不看好。 先说蔚来的五宗罪: 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