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fincc
11-13
这样理性的蔚来粉多一点,可能蔚来也不至于到今天。整体说得挺好,但还是没有说到根本。在我看来,根本是四点: 1、高端纯电是个很小的市场,是不是未来?至少在今天看不到。如果作为起手势很好,接es8推出es6,这一步都很好,结果没有走下去,继续推出20多万的es5,这纯电战略就成了夹生饭。es8走增程,推20-30万的es5走量,这两条路,蔚来一条也不想走。 2、乐道是步臭棋,只见过低打高推子品牌,没见过高打低推子品牌,乐道也是死路。至于萤火虫,脑子搭错筋。 3、换电。最搞笑的商业模式。投资巨大、运营成本巨高、严重制约车身发展,得到的收益极低。所谓换电快只针对1台车而言,算上排队和去换电站的时间,毫无效率优势。储能更是一句笑话,晚上充电不是相当于储能?换电的电池折旧更是未来巨大的包袱。换电哪怕有一丁点好处,全世界能只有蔚来一家选择? 4、全栈自研看上去很牛,实际上搞了一堆车,没有一项核心技术。如果不能实现高阶自驾,蔚来的所有研发都基本等于0。 5、品牌。bba确实在萎缩,但是胜者并不是蔚来,不管你多么瞧不起,真正实现高端汽车国产品牌替代的依次是:问界、理想、极氪,蔚来连前三都排不上。蔚来实际的均价早已跌破30万,这里面超过一半还都是租电,真的要说自己是高端,可能小米都比蔚来有资格。 问题太多,余不一一。有人说蔚来也不是一点成绩也没有,这句话客观上也算对。但是如果你放在第一批新能源汽车的先发者,烧了近1000亿资金创业企业,目前渗透率已经达到50%的中国新能源市场。蔚来这个成绩单,离及格差太远。更要命的是,无论老板还是粉丝,都还在以学霸自居。
@小飞侠来喽:蔚来还有未来吗?来自死忠粉的灵魂6问
fincc
11-08
$蔚来(NIO)$
关于蔚来的一切问题,蔚来粉最爱拿出来说的就是:时间会给出答案!时间会证明一切。我不想说时间已经证明了很多,蔚来还有像样的牌没打的吗?即使是时间,蔚来是最没有资本谈时间的。无论从账上现金、亏损速度、经营趋势、老板变通、市场环境,蔚来进入倒计时会比很多人预料的都要快。时间并不在蔚来这边。对了,即使这样,你也在蔚来身上看不到一点危机感,这才是最致命的。
fincc
11-07
$小鹏汽车(XPEV)$
$蔚来(NIO)$
理想赚得盆满钵满,小鹏打通任督二脉,蔚来还在安贫乐道。
fincc
11-06
$特斯拉(TSLA)$
老马与懂王这样的人,能走长远吗?如果以后两人翻脸,还能站队民主党吗?
fincc
11-06
$蔚来(NIO)$
$小鹏汽车(XPEV)$
那些今天不看好小鹏的人,和当初看不起理想的人,是一类人。前者看不懂技术,后者看不懂市场。理小蔚三家中,理想会成为成功的企业,小鹏是唯一有机会成为伟大的企业。而蔚来,若干年后会作为失败的案例被人提起:一个企业如何能在投入千亿的情况下,在技术、市场、管理、品牌上全方位走错。
fincc
11-01
$小鹏汽车(XPEV)$
$蔚来(NIO)$
小鹏市值超越蔚来,还有人感觉不公平吗?理想早就连尾灯都看不见了。
fincc
09-05
Replying to
@brookie
:哪次发新车不是这么说,连et7都吹过这种牛//
@brookie
:少军直播说l60订单炸了
fincc
08-27
$小鹏汽车(XPEV)$
$蔚来(NIO)$
$理想汽车(LI)$
历史终将证明,并且很快证明:小鹏才是蔚小理,以及中国新能源车,最出类拔萃的存在。
fincc
07-25
$蔚来(NIO)$
六年前,蔚来一无所有,发行价6.26。六年过去了,电动车在中国渗透率已经达到50%,蔚来的股价4.3。资本市场短期是投票机,长期是称重机。
fincc
07-09
$蔚来(NIO)$
真的,如果这些蔚吹们,知道了蔚来卖车的真相,到底优惠到多么发指的程度,就不会对蔚来的销量增长,产生哪怕一丁点的喜悦。
fincc
07-01
$蔚来(NIO)$
别上头,这个销量对蔚来没有半点帮助,更不会扭转股价
fincc
06-26
$蔚来(NIO)$
互联网是有记忆的,早在2021年就因销量拉垮找过产能的借口,但凡早一点的股民都清楚。不要说f2,单单是f1的产能2年前就升级到30万了。现在两个厂的设计产能加起来是60万。如果今天一个月不到两万的订单,还说产能不足,唯一的解释就是销量长期根本没有支撑起产能,导致开工不足,短期无法提升。
fincc
06-25
$蔚来(NIO)$
f1工厂年产能30万台,f2年产能30万台,目前年交付不到20万台,长期销量拉垮导致开工不足才是主因,说产能不足,不害臊吗?一个饭店3000平米,长期没生意只剩一个厨师,现在来了两桌人,说后堂忙不过来。真的要笑死人。
fincc
06-21
$蔚来(NIO)$
乐道上市会跌破3块吗?
fincc
06-20
$蔚来(NIO)$
假如把蔚来历史的投资拿来放银行,现在起码是300亿美金的价值,这可能是蔚来再也无法到达的市值了。
fincc
06-17
$蔚来(NIO)$
果然是你
fincc
06-13
$蔚来(NIO)$
就乐道现在这个冷清劲,月销能达到2000台吗?蔚来还有什么故事可讲
fincc
06-13
不要自我陶醉,股价说明一切。
fincc
06-12
$蔚来(NIO)$
还天真以为抄了个底
fincc
06-12
再讲个笑话:换电是护城河
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第一宗罪:换电。很多人吹嘘蔚来的核心优势是换电,在我看来换电正是蔚来的灭顶之灾。换电可以说一无是处。补能是一个体系,蔚来鼓吹的换一次电只需要5分钟,但是别忘了,换电是单任务系统,我们在考虑谁更优时,不是看一台车,是看一堆车。超充技术就算做不到10分钟充满电,现在轻松30分钟也补够了,而蔚来的换电全程要接近10分钟,比换电快吗?没意义。假如有60台车要充电,换电10分钟一台,充电30分钟一台,一个大一点的充电站都有30跟枪,那么一个充电站把100台车补满电只需要一个小时,而一个换电站把60台车换完需要10个小时。一个充电站的效率是换电站的10倍。有人也许会说:又不是只有一个换电站,没错,就算一个城市有十个换电站,也基本只相当于一个充电站的补能效率。更何况,你去另一个换电站路上不耽误时间吗?蔚来换电站的选址极其苛刻,一个城市可供建设换电站的地方很少,尤其主城区。而充电站全城市以后不知道有多少,不是一个量级。 换电完全没有优势吗?有的,在车辆还非常不普及的前提下,只要不排队,貌似是有优势的。仅此而已。考虑到换电站不像充电随时附近都有,那么算上你开车去换电站的时间,这点优势好像有点模糊? 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