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Shinning
2022-10-28
净利润下降80个点,为啥还猛涨
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Shinning
2022-10-12
花街风向得反着理解
2021年的涨幅被抹去,英伟达将何去何从?
Shinning
2022-10-03
目标价格怎么估算出的
Nvidia VS AMD,谁能在困境中更胜一筹?
Shinning
2022-10-03
88咋来的?拍脑袋?
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Shinning
2022-09-02
没有什么可类比的 完全风马牛不相及
英伟达未来会怎么走,22年前的思科就已经揭晓了答案?
Shinning
2021-01-22
$跟谁学(GSX)$
两头收割,远离
Shinning
2021-01-13
$跟谁学(GSX)$
今天为啥涨啊
Shinning
2021-01-06
$Zoom(ZM)$
价值回归
Shinning
2020-12-02
$老虎证券(TIGR)$
割肉止损,远离此股。改用futu
Shinning
2020-12-01
$小鹏汽车(XPEV)$
为啥不能做空
Shinning
2020-12-01
$小鹏汽车(XPEV)$
奇怪为啥不能做空
Shinning
2020-11-30
$Jumia Technologies AG(JMIA)$
现在能做空了吧
Shinning
2020-11-28
$蔚来(NIO)$
强弩之末
Shinning
2020-07-13
现在还能追涨吗?
Shinning
2020-07-08
$特斯拉(TSLA)$
落袋为安了先
Shinning
2020-04-15
$特斯拉(TSLA)$
千万别信目标价
Shinning
2020-04-14
$Tilray Inc.(TLRY)$
很难想象是从300跌下来的
Shinning
2020-03-19
补仓,坚定持有
Shinning
2020-03-17
$英伟达(NVDA)$
抄点底
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src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/fe30bb01fa7c147b7cd8bae0c9d80197\" tg-width=\"567\" tg-height=\"207\" referrerpolicy=\"no-referrer\"/></p><p>FRED</p><p>紧缩的财政和货币政策将同时对全球经济造成双重打击。尽管利率已经重新定价(尽管目前还不清楚这一趋势是否已经结束),但财政赤字将在2022年大幅下降,并可能在2023年进一步下降。</p><p>此外,资产负债表的缩减才刚刚开始,并将在未来10个月缩减1万亿美元。再加上收益率曲线严重反转,基本上可以肯定未来12-18个月将出现衰退(而且可能会更快,因为住房、大宗商品和其他耐用品(如汽车)等关键行业的需求似乎已经大幅下降)。</p><p><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/6b8a94484d3203a200d30fa5607364f6\" tg-width=\"567\" tg-height=\"496\" referrerpolicy=\"no-referrer\"/></p><p>McKinsey & Company</p><p>全球半导体市场规模巨大,而且还在不断增长。预计大部分增长将由计算和数据存储、无线通信和汽车电子产品驱动。</p><p>不幸的是,这些行业没有一个是不衰退的,特别是电动车的需求在未来12个月内应该会受到衰退风的影响。</p><p>人工智能和云计算领域的应用将推动计算和数据存储需求增长,这两个领域是由研发驱动的,随着利润率下降和企业寻求去杠杆化,它们对成本削减措施也很敏感。</p><p><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/a9919d8e2a1c4e40595d52b1fb6ed1d2\" tg-width=\"567\" tg-height=\"210\" referrerpolicy=\"no-referrer\"/></p><p>FRED</p><p>由于通胀压力持续存在,半导体PPI仍然保持在一个较高的水平。</p><p>总体而言,半导体价格随着时间的推移呈下降趋势,因为效率的提高使得用更少的资源获得了更大的计算能力。</p><p>我认为,随着全球需求开始下降,这一趋势将恢复正常,行业将回到通缩状态。</p><p>过去一周,随着Snlf和AMD发布了令人失望的财报,这种情况已经开始显现。虽然TSM公布了强劲的业绩,但对他们来说,需求的下降很可能还没有完全变成现实。</p><p>我还认为,PC和游戏的市场份额将继续下降,因为智能手机的需求将相对更具弹性,这对英伟达造成了伤害,因为他们更专注于这些类别。</p><p><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/db9b5ba6d0a373fd2a6080cb399e4120\" tg-width=\"553\" tg-height=\"203\" referrerpolicy=\"no-referrer\"/></p><p>FRED</p><p><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/dbbe80f15b96f13ad472fc286bc7ccb9\" tg-width=\"553\" tg-height=\"203\" referrerpolicy=\"no-referrer\"/></p><p>FRED</p><p>关注汽车需求,2021年新车和二手车价格上涨的幅度都是历史性的。</p><p>从1995年到2020年的25年里,这两个指数基本持平,然后在2021年增长了20%以上(二手车增长了近50%),原因是低利率和在家工作的趋势。</p><p>汽车销售(和其他耐用消费品一样)对利率上调非常敏感(鲍威尔自己在6月的国会证词中也说过这一点),这些销售很可能出现大幅的均值回归。</p><p>需求破坏已经开始被反映在价格中,福特下调了销售预期,Carmax公布第二季度新车和二手车销量大幅下降等等。我认为,成长型投资者低估了增长预期下降可能对估值造成的损害。尽管英伟达在过去一年遭受了严重的惩罚,但我相信,高点即将重现。</p><p><b>领域扩张</b></p><p>英伟达在GTC上启动了他们最新的即将到来的产品周期,专注于游戏、工作站和数据中心AI的升级产品。</p><p>游戏销售额大幅下降至13亿至25亿美元——尽管管理层将此归咎于为发烧友清理上一代高端安培GPU库存的努力,但很明显,游戏需求正在大幅下降,因为这一类别具有高度的可自由支配性,很可能在早期受到广泛衰退的影响。</p><p>事实上,管理层目前专注于扩展的几乎所有类别——AI /元宇宙、数字双胞胎、ADAS和<a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/300024\">机器人</a>都依赖于研发和创新来驱动增长,随着2023年研发预算的削减,这些领域的需求可能会大幅下降。</p><p>我认为这种逆风将在短期内拖累该股。管理层声称,他们能够在不受限制的产品供应中提供足够多的替代选择,如果受到限制,他们有能力申请许可证。</p><p>我确实认为英伟达的垂直整合提供了一些竞争优势。管理层认为,需要将加速计算垂直集成为一个全堆栈计算问题,以便编写操作系统或云企业分布式操作系统、运行时引擎、库应用框架或开发存储、网络和网络安全。</p><p>他们的观点是,没有客户只是购买芯片,他们需要英伟达计算堆栈来提高速度和效率。英伟达有几个垂直平台,如其图形堆栈、AI、物理和射线跟踪引擎、科学计算堆栈、NVIDIA AI和NVIDIA Omniverse。</p><p>同时,我认为英伟达的“飞轮”还没有完全固化,他们的核心业务仍然面临竞争压力。</p><p>在即将到来的经济衰退中,我认为它们将无法获得可观的市场份额,市场似乎也认同这一点,因为它们在行业中的相对优势正在减弱。</p><p><b>估值</b></p><p><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/e6feac3a3dd7e6b1b697dc3e926d1e9e\" tg-width=\"567\" tg-height=\"175\" referrerpolicy=\"no-referrer\"/></p><p>S&P Capital IQ</p><p>显然,自2008年金融危机以来,情况发生了很大变化,但有趣的是,在2008年金融危机最严重的时候,英伟达的EV/EBITDA倍数一路降至3倍以下。</p><p>虽然英伟达的市盈率已经从2021年的泡沫高点(从88倍下降到27倍)下降了50多个周期,但它仍然相对符合之前的估值。</p><p>在我看来,市场对半导体需求仍然过于乐观,因为半导体需求的增长是由高度周期性的投入驱动的。我认为,英伟达的盈利能力和市盈率还有进一步下降的空间。</p><p><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/8544464c335048ca33796adb97412578\" tg-width=\"567\" tg-height=\"332\" referrerpolicy=\"no-referrer\"/></p><p>Research Model - Discounted Cash Flow Analysis (Proprietary)</p><p>从研究模型来看,分析师对增长预期过于乐观(他们与管理层的预期大致一致)。分析人士预计,2023年收入将稳步增长,利润率将高于2022年,这是一种价格低廉,需求强劲的情景。我认为这两种期望都是有缺陷的。</p><p><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/5878de67965dc8d0131db43caf568466\" tg-width=\"567\" tg-height=\"165\" referrerpolicy=\"no-referrer\"/></p><p>S&P Capital IQ</p><p>2009年,营运利润转为负值,直到2012年,盈利能力才稳定在衰退前的水平。我认为,在未来几年,盈利能力可能会出现类似的下降。</p><p>随着市场对衰退的担忧加剧,这将以进一步多重收缩的形式实现。虽然出售的黄金时间显然是在2022年初,但我们仍然没有看到这个领域的痛苦。</p><p><b>交易</b></p><p>客观地说,英伟达的图表看起来很可怕,考虑到2021年上涨的幅度,甚至无法完成第二次测试第四季度的高点。</p><p><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/5ec2ec836aa7c441c30a7c44bc000a21\" tg-width=\"567\" tg-height=\"443\" referrerpolicy=\"no-referrer\"/></p><p>Google Finance</p><p>在前期高点和目前的价格水平之间,我看不到另一个主要的支撑水平。我相信一旦这个支撑位被打破(这将与更广泛的市场抛售相一致),英伟达可能会从当前水平下跌20%以上。要达到先前的73美元高点,英伟达需要进一步下跌37%。</p><p><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/cfe31072d95aaa9d07ff8ec01467123a\" tg-width=\"567\" tg-height=\"148\" referrerpolicy=\"no-referrer\"/></p><p>Market Chameleon</p><p>从战术上讲,我确实认为英伟达是短期超卖,在不久的将来会反弹。</p><p>隐含波动率息差远高于250日平均水平。一般来说,市场现在是超卖的,在进一步下跌之前会有一些反弹。</p><p><b>结论</b></p><p>总之,英伟达在过去五年中经历了大幅增长,并在2021年达到顶峰。</p><p>虽然该公司利润丰厚(尽管存在一些成本阻力),但我认为,营收增长和盈利能力将大幅下降(大大超过管理层和分析师的预期)。</p><p>再加上相对于全球金融危机时的低点而言,英伟达的倍数仍然很高,我认为英伟达极有可能重新测试暴跌前的高点。</p></body></html>","source":"market_watch","collect":0,"html":"<!DOCTYPE html>\n<html>\n<head>\n<meta http-equiv=\"Content-Type\" content=\"text/html; charset=utf-8\" />\n<meta name=\"viewport\" content=\"width=device-width,initial-scale=1.0,minimum-scale=1.0,maximum-scale=1.0,user-scalable=no\"/>\n<meta name=\"format-detection\" content=\"telephone=no,email=no,address=no\" />\n<title>2021年的涨幅被抹去,英伟达将何去何从?</title>\n<style 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Finance商品价格/宏观我在之前的文章中已经广泛地讨论过这个话题,但在这里我将重新讨论经济衰退的情况(参见经济衰退是不可避免的,不要被熊市反弹所欺骗)。FREDFRED紧缩的财政和货币政策将同时对全球经济造成双重打击。尽管利率已经重新定价(尽管目前还不清楚这一趋势是否已经结束),但财政赤字将在2022年大幅下降,并可能在2023年进一步下降。此外,资产负债表的缩减才刚刚开始,并将在未来10个月缩减1万亿美元。再加上收益率曲线严重反转,基本上可以肯定未来12-18个月将出现衰退(而且可能会更快,因为住房、大宗商品和其他耐用品(如汽车)等关键行业的需求似乎已经大幅下降)。McKinsey & Company全球半导体市场规模巨大,而且还在不断增长。预计大部分增长将由计算和数据存储、无线通信和汽车电子产品驱动。不幸的是,这些行业没有一个是不衰退的,特别是电动车的需求在未来12个月内应该会受到衰退风的影响。人工智能和云计算领域的应用将推动计算和数据存储需求增长,这两个领域是由研发驱动的,随着利润率下降和企业寻求去杠杆化,它们对成本削减措施也很敏感。FRED由于通胀压力持续存在,半导体PPI仍然保持在一个较高的水平。总体而言,半导体价格随着时间的推移呈下降趋势,因为效率的提高使得用更少的资源获得了更大的计算能力。我认为,随着全球需求开始下降,这一趋势将恢复正常,行业将回到通缩状态。过去一周,随着Snlf和AMD发布了令人失望的财报,这种情况已经开始显现。虽然TSM公布了强劲的业绩,但对他们来说,需求的下降很可能还没有完全变成现实。我还认为,PC和游戏的市场份额将继续下降,因为智能手机的需求将相对更具弹性,这对英伟达造成了伤害,因为他们更专注于这些类别。FREDFRED关注汽车需求,2021年新车和二手车价格上涨的幅度都是历史性的。从1995年到2020年的25年里,这两个指数基本持平,然后在2021年增长了20%以上(二手车增长了近50%),原因是低利率和在家工作的趋势。汽车销售(和其他耐用消费品一样)对利率上调非常敏感(鲍威尔自己在6月的国会证词中也说过这一点),这些销售很可能出现大幅的均值回归。需求破坏已经开始被反映在价格中,福特下调了销售预期,Carmax公布第二季度新车和二手车销量大幅下降等等。我认为,成长型投资者低估了增长预期下降可能对估值造成的损害。尽管英伟达在过去一年遭受了严重的惩罚,但我相信,高点即将重现。领域扩张英伟达在GTC上启动了他们最新的即将到来的产品周期,专注于游戏、工作站和数据中心AI的升级产品。游戏销售额大幅下降至13亿至25亿美元——尽管管理层将此归咎于为发烧友清理上一代高端安培GPU库存的努力,但很明显,游戏需求正在大幅下降,因为这一类别具有高度的可自由支配性,很可能在早期受到广泛衰退的影响。事实上,管理层目前专注于扩展的几乎所有类别——AI /元宇宙、数字双胞胎、ADAS和机器人都依赖于研发和创新来驱动增长,随着2023年研发预算的削减,这些领域的需求可能会大幅下降。我认为这种逆风将在短期内拖累该股。管理层声称,他们能够在不受限制的产品供应中提供足够多的替代选择,如果受到限制,他们有能力申请许可证。我确实认为英伟达的垂直整合提供了一些竞争优势。管理层认为,需要将加速计算垂直集成为一个全堆栈计算问题,以便编写操作系统或云企业分布式操作系统、运行时引擎、库应用框架或开发存储、网络和网络安全。他们的观点是,没有客户只是购买芯片,他们需要英伟达计算堆栈来提高速度和效率。英伟达有几个垂直平台,如其图形堆栈、AI、物理和射线跟踪引擎、科学计算堆栈、NVIDIA AI和NVIDIA Omniverse。同时,我认为英伟达的“飞轮”还没有完全固化,他们的核心业务仍然面临竞争压力。在即将到来的经济衰退中,我认为它们将无法获得可观的市场份额,市场似乎也认同这一点,因为它们在行业中的相对优势正在减弱。估值S&P Capital IQ显然,自2008年金融危机以来,情况发生了很大变化,但有趣的是,在2008年金融危机最严重的时候,英伟达的EV/EBITDA倍数一路降至3倍以下。虽然英伟达的市盈率已经从2021年的泡沫高点(从88倍下降到27倍)下降了50多个周期,但它仍然相对符合之前的估值。在我看来,市场对半导体需求仍然过于乐观,因为半导体需求的增长是由高度周期性的投入驱动的。我认为,英伟达的盈利能力和市盈率还有进一步下降的空间。Research Model - Discounted Cash Flow Analysis (Proprietary)从研究模型来看,分析师对增长预期过于乐观(他们与管理层的预期大致一致)。分析人士预计,2023年收入将稳步增长,利润率将高于2022年,这是一种价格低廉,需求强劲的情景。我认为这两种期望都是有缺陷的。S&P Capital 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href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/MSFT\">微软</a>,你失去了Outlook和Excel,那么会发生什么?这一切都回到了想要与需要的问题上,就像个人理财101一样。</p><p>当然,这些公司确实有不断增长的SaaS业务,但与他们的传统芯片业务相比,相形见绌。鉴于其规模小,我不认为它与本分析特别相关。</p><p>因此,当公司基于不确定性的增加而选择推迟 "改造他们的厨房 "时,我们可以预期它将损害像Nvidia和AMD这样的芯片公司。</p><p><b>终端市场</b></p><p>传统上,Nvidia和AMD这两个名字因其游戏芯片而闻名,但它们正日益超越游戏。Nvidia在数据中心拥有强大且不断增长的业务,而AMD在收购Xilinx之后,也进入了各种垂直领域。</p><p><b>游戏市场的增长</b></p><p><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/93ad60a94b5239289f32ed7334406c75\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"311\" referrerpolicy=\"no-referrer\"/></p><p>Gaming Revenue Growth by Segment (Statista)</p><p>尽管实力强劲,但游戏市场历来具有强劲的增长预测,但从战术角度来看,不要把所有的鸡蛋都放在同一个篮子里是有道理的,Nvidia和AMD似乎也同意这一观点,因为他们进军其他垂直领域。</p><p>我对Nvidia在数据中心的进步特别乐观,他们继续利用他们的人工智能芯片从传统玩家那里获得份额。随着越来越多的数据转移到<a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/AMZN\">亚马逊</a>(AMZN)和微软(MSFT)等云公司,他们可能会购买更多的Nvidia芯片。</p><p><b>Nvidia和AMD的收益</b></p><p>上个月,我们收到了两家公司关于其财务业绩的最新消息,以及他们对未来发展方向的评论。</p><p>我不会重复在Seeking Alpha其他地方已经说过的话,但是两家公司都发布了我认为好坏参半的内容。问题是增长似乎正在急剧放缓,他们的预测反映了这一点。</p><p><b>产品通道</b></p><p>为了在竞争中保持领先地位,Nvidia和AMD继续投入数十亿美元用于创新和研发。虽然两家公司继续将重点从游戏转移到其他垂直领域,如AR和AI,但我相信游戏在未来几年仍将是两家公司利润丰厚的来源。</p><p>为了展示这些芯片的强大功能,我建议您阅读Nvidia的博客文章,其中详细介绍了他们新的40系列芯片的一些高级功能。</p><p><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/4014333d2d4f5b852d0f0dfa6cdd46cf\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"335\" referrerpolicy=\"no-referrer\"/></p><p>Nvidia</p><p>通过Nvidia所谓的“ADA LOVELACE”架构,他们声称游戏玩家将享受超越之前迭代的计算性能:图灵和安培。</p><p>另一个创新领域来自AMD的Ryzen系列芯片。为了进一步提高芯片的性能,Nvidia和AMD 都采用了软件,使这些芯片的计算能力超过了原本可能的能力。</p><p><b>财务分析</b></p><p>这些公司在大流行时代大幅增加了收入,这不足为奇。两家公司的收入都增长了2-3倍,因为游戏玩家投资了他们的计算机,而云提供商继续投资于他们的数据中心。</p><p><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/53440b62d785ae62d4e00de7f4482935\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"399\" referrerpolicy=\"no-referrer\"/></p><p>Source: Yahoo Finance, Author's Calculations & Estimates</p><p>忽略股票数量波动,收入增长几乎并驾齐驱。与去年的数字相比,两家公司的增长都较TTM放缓,但自2020年以来,与市场上的许多其他公司相比,它们的增长速度普遍过快。</p><p><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/c98db5e7e847f6cb5be09940d135b0bd\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"402\" referrerpolicy=\"no-referrer\"/></p><p>Source: Yahoo Finance, Author's Calculations & Estimates</p><p>Nvidia和AMD的利润率都很高。甚至AMD 49%的较低毛利率也很出色,这说明了这些业务的盈利能力。这些利润率不仅对芯片公司有利,而且与几乎任何公司相比都非常好。</p><p><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/7e436b7a48d40e35a233dcb5b9866bc5\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"399\" referrerpolicy=\"no-referrer\"/></p><p>Source: Yahoo Finance, Author's Calculations & Estimates</p><p>按每股计算,两家公司在过去4年的毛利润增长幅度相似(且令人印象深刻),尽管Nvidia显示出一些放缓的迹象。</p><p><b>稀释</b></p><p><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/1036a4afb15b9931f193180f29258588\" tg-width=\"665\" tg-height=\"420\" referrerpolicy=\"no-referrer\"/></p><p>Source: Yahoo Finance, Authors Calculations & Estimates</p><p><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/24626e2aa99190c6ebcae98898c28593\" tg-width=\"637\" tg-height=\"401\" referrerpolicy=\"no-referrer\"/></p><p>Source: Yahoo Finance, Authors Calculations & Estimates.</p><p>对这些公司有利的另一个因素是稀释,或者更确切地说,缺乏稀释。诚然,AMD在过去4年中发行了大约15万股,但与一些SaaS玩家相比,这算不了什么。Nvidia在维持其股票数量方面特别谨慎。在过去的4年里,股票数量只增加了35k,还不错。</p><p>稀释并不总是一件坏事,但考虑到所有因素,我宁愿拥有更多的公司而不是更少的公司。这就是为什么我经常以每股为基础查看收入和毛利润。</p><p><b>远期市盈率比较</b></p><p><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/5f04302b9f96ad66b223612348c51a0a\" tg-width=\"554\" tg-height=\"275\" referrerpolicy=\"no-referrer\"/></p><p>Source: Yahoo Finance, Authors Calculations & Estimates</p><p>当我评估公司时,我喜欢采用几种方法。我最喜欢的两个是贴现现金流分析和比较同行之间的远期市盈率。</p><p><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/0f868ec06d6529a4b55b0080a4cc59ab\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"262\" referrerpolicy=\"no-referrer\"/></p><p>Source: Yahoo Finance, Author's Calculations & Estimates</p><p>正如你在上面的图表中所看到的,Nvidia拥有最高的远期市盈率,而像<a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/BRCM\">博通</a>和<a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/QCOM\">高通</a>这样的老牌同行则落后得多,更接近于10倍而不是30倍。AMD和<a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/TXN\">德州仪器</a>相对处于中间位置。</p><p>仅从它们的远期市盈率来看,AMD看起来比Nvidia更有价值,但与一些增长较慢的同行相比,两者的价值可能仍被高估。</p><p><b>折现现金流分析</b></p><p>对于Nvidia和AMD,我在我的基础案例中使用了相同的假设,因为它们的收入和毛利润的历史增长率相似。</p><p><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/a639f9c6eaa62a12139953e8c77bae08\" tg-width=\"554\" tg-height=\"444\" referrerpolicy=\"no-referrer\"/></p><p>在我的基本情况下,我预测Nvidia将在5年内达到惊人的$55B收入和超过$20的收益,这意味着在短短5年内规模将增加一倍以上。即使在这种乐观的情况下,股票似乎也只是以公允价值交易。</p><p><b>Nvidia敏感性分析:</b></p><p><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/b9e32cd98c74d603f898a9a872bd6606\" tg-width=\"554\" tg-height=\"250\" referrerpolicy=\"no-referrer\"/></p><p><b>AMD基础案例:</b></p><p><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/99a9e75825f4dd3c44e07ec139612ee3\" tg-width=\"553\" tg-height=\"249\" referrerpolicy=\"no-referrer\"/></p><p>就AMD而言,我认为收入增长到420亿美元,收益增长到110亿美元,同样是现在的两倍多。这能实现吗?也许吧,但这绝不是肯定的。对AMD来说,幸运的是,根据这个DCF,它的股价并不像Nvidia那样高。</p><p><b>AMD的敏感度分析:</b></p><p><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/9b10f9781948b3501439087fd5d00040\" tg-width=\"554\" tg-height=\"247\" referrerpolicy=\"no-referrer\"/></p><p>由于其较低的估值,AMD的表现比Nvidia好一点,但我认为,作为投资者,其前景仍然不是特别吸引人。至少对于AMD来说,其较低的估值给了你比Nvidia更多的回旋余地,所以我会给他们这个机会。</p><p><b>风险</b></p><p>正如我在本文开头提到的,经济衰退或对经济衰退的恐惧,可能会损害他们的业务。鉴于所有的不确定性,再加上美联储加息,我认为这对这两家公司来说都是一个重大的下行风险。</p><p>这些公司面临的另一个挑战是它们的规模。两家公司的市值都超过了1000亿美元,这可能会在它们继续增长时带来一些独特的挑战。公司有4种主要的资本使用方式,红利、回购、并购和内部项目。</p><p>在所有内部项目获得资金后,在许多情况下,下一个最佳用途是并购。但是,正如我们从Nvidia收购ARM的失败中看到的那样,规模会阻碍并购的增长。由于并购对他们来说将变得越来越有挑战性,我预计他们的投资资本回报率将在长期内适度/减弱。</p><p><b>结论</b></p><p>Nvidia和AMD都是伟大的公司。他们创造了一些市场上最先进的计算芯片,并给他们的股东以丰厚的回报。随着它们的成长,它们都向游戏和个人计算之外的垂直领域进行了多元化发展,因此,进一步加强了它们业务的长期生存能力。</p><p>但是,并非所有了不起的事情都能永远持续下去。尤其是游戏终端市场已经出现了特别强烈的放缓,因为消费者已经开始在现实世界的体验上花费更多,而不是在游戏中购买。由于其多元化的收入基础,Nvidia和AMD可以抵消来自数据中心和汽车的一些影响。</p><p>对于Nvidia和AMD来说,我的观点是,供应受到限制但在改善,而需求强劲但可能在减弱。</p><p>而且,在同行中估值最高,这并没有给错误留下多少缓冲的余地。我将Nvidia评为 "表现不佳",一年期目标价格为88美元。</p><p>我将AMD评为 "中性",1年的目标价格为65美元。</p></body></html>","collect":0,"html":"<!DOCTYPE html>\n<html>\n<head>\n<meta 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style=\"background-image:url(https://static.tigerbbs.com/e09c69c7ea1d4781a9de127f9b375dd6);background-size:cover;\"></div>\n\n<div class=\"h-content\">\n<p class=\"h-name\">美股研究社 </p>\n<p class=\"h-time\">2022-10-02 16:25</p>\n</div>\n\n</div>\n\n\n</h4>\n\n</header>\n<article>\n<html><head></head><body><p>Nvidia和AMD能否维持其令人印象深刻的增长?</p><p>就在5年前,Nvidia的股价约为每股40美元,而AMD的股价约为每股10美元。快进到今天,Nvidia的股价是5倍,AMD是10倍。</p><p>对于Nvidia和AMD而言,并购应该变得越来越具有挑战性,因此我预计它们的投资资本回报率在长期内会放缓/减少。</p><p>对于成长型投资者来说,2022年是艰难的一年……至少可以这么说。</p><p>进入新的一年,我想知道2021年的科技股崩盘是否已经过去,或者我们是否正处于更大、更严重的事情的开始。现在判断我们是否已经度过了最糟糕的时期可能还为时过早,但现在似乎是暂停并考虑估值的谨慎时机。尤其是全球一些最重要的芯片股,Nvidia(NASDAQ:NVDA)和AMD(NASDAQ:AMD)的估值。</p><p><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/0f72f4818de0ae92a5f0af9a4bacaefe\" tg-width=\"635\" tg-height=\"366\" referrerpolicy=\"no-referrer\"/>NVDA data by YCharts</p><p>就在5年前,Nvidia的股价约为每股40美元,而AMD的股价约为每股10美元。快进到今天,Nvidia的股价是5倍,AMD是10倍。</p><p>不错的回报。那是在从2021年底创下的高点下跌近50%之后。</p><p>但这种趋势能否持续下去?在今天的价格下,股票是否仍然具有良好的价值?此外,潜在的经济衰退对这些股票有何影响?</p><p><b>在本文中,我将:</b></p><p>为Nvidia和AMD提供业务更新;</p><p>在Nvidia和AMD之间进行财务分析;</p><p>根据两种股票的两种不同框架提供我的估值。</p><p><b>衰退的恐惧</b></p><p>在整个2022年,感觉整个<a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/JRJC\">金融界</a>都在关注经济衰退的可能性。很容易理解为什么。通货膨胀猖獗,供应链问题依然存在,俄罗斯已经关闭了欧洲的能源供应。</p><p><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/de1e72e439c0c464dfd8c4e3ba920110\" tg-width=\"513\" tg-height=\"490\" referrerpolicy=\"no-referrer\"/></p><p>Odds of Recession (Statista: Bloomberg)</p><p>我们确实处于未知的水域,我们将何去何从,现在还没有定论。</p><p>但不幸的是,对于芯片制造商Nvidia和AMD来说,无论结果如何,不确定性都会带来伤害。随着不确定性的增加,企业投资放缓。半成品只是不像SaaS那样通常具有粘性。例如,10美元的月费比对最新芯片组的1000美元投资要容易接受得多。</p><p>如果困难时期来临,推迟芯片投资会更容易。</p><p><b>想要与需要</b></p><p>或者换一种说法,支付SaaS就像支付你的水费,而芯片就像支付厨房的改造费。我喜欢有一个漂亮的厨房,但我需要水。如果我在未来几个月里可能会失去工作,我就不会去改造我的厨房。</p><p>芯片投资可以延迟,但如果你不付给<a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/MSFT\">微软</a>,你失去了Outlook和Excel,那么会发生什么?这一切都回到了想要与需要的问题上,就像个人理财101一样。</p><p>当然,这些公司确实有不断增长的SaaS业务,但与他们的传统芯片业务相比,相形见绌。鉴于其规模小,我不认为它与本分析特别相关。</p><p>因此,当公司基于不确定性的增加而选择推迟 "改造他们的厨房 "时,我们可以预期它将损害像Nvidia和AMD这样的芯片公司。</p><p><b>终端市场</b></p><p>传统上,Nvidia和AMD这两个名字因其游戏芯片而闻名,但它们正日益超越游戏。Nvidia在数据中心拥有强大且不断增长的业务,而AMD在收购Xilinx之后,也进入了各种垂直领域。</p><p><b>游戏市场的增长</b></p><p><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/93ad60a94b5239289f32ed7334406c75\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"311\" referrerpolicy=\"no-referrer\"/></p><p>Gaming Revenue Growth by Segment (Statista)</p><p>尽管实力强劲,但游戏市场历来具有强劲的增长预测,但从战术角度来看,不要把所有的鸡蛋都放在同一个篮子里是有道理的,Nvidia和AMD似乎也同意这一观点,因为他们进军其他垂直领域。</p><p>我对Nvidia在数据中心的进步特别乐观,他们继续利用他们的人工智能芯片从传统玩家那里获得份额。随着越来越多的数据转移到<a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/AMZN\">亚马逊</a>(AMZN)和微软(MSFT)等云公司,他们可能会购买更多的Nvidia芯片。</p><p><b>Nvidia和AMD的收益</b></p><p>上个月,我们收到了两家公司关于其财务业绩的最新消息,以及他们对未来发展方向的评论。</p><p>我不会重复在Seeking Alpha其他地方已经说过的话,但是两家公司都发布了我认为好坏参半的内容。问题是增长似乎正在急剧放缓,他们的预测反映了这一点。</p><p><b>产品通道</b></p><p>为了在竞争中保持领先地位,Nvidia和AMD继续投入数十亿美元用于创新和研发。虽然两家公司继续将重点从游戏转移到其他垂直领域,如AR和AI,但我相信游戏在未来几年仍将是两家公司利润丰厚的来源。</p><p>为了展示这些芯片的强大功能,我建议您阅读Nvidia的博客文章,其中详细介绍了他们新的40系列芯片的一些高级功能。</p><p><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/4014333d2d4f5b852d0f0dfa6cdd46cf\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"335\" referrerpolicy=\"no-referrer\"/></p><p>Nvidia</p><p>通过Nvidia所谓的“ADA LOVELACE”架构,他们声称游戏玩家将享受超越之前迭代的计算性能:图灵和安培。</p><p>另一个创新领域来自AMD的Ryzen系列芯片。为了进一步提高芯片的性能,Nvidia和AMD 都采用了软件,使这些芯片的计算能力超过了原本可能的能力。</p><p><b>财务分析</b></p><p>这些公司在大流行时代大幅增加了收入,这不足为奇。两家公司的收入都增长了2-3倍,因为游戏玩家投资了他们的计算机,而云提供商继续投资于他们的数据中心。</p><p><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/53440b62d785ae62d4e00de7f4482935\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"399\" referrerpolicy=\"no-referrer\"/></p><p>Source: Yahoo Finance, Author's Calculations & Estimates</p><p>忽略股票数量波动,收入增长几乎并驾齐驱。与去年的数字相比,两家公司的增长都较TTM放缓,但自2020年以来,与市场上的许多其他公司相比,它们的增长速度普遍过快。</p><p><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/c98db5e7e847f6cb5be09940d135b0bd\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"402\" referrerpolicy=\"no-referrer\"/></p><p>Source: Yahoo Finance, Author's Calculations & Estimates</p><p>Nvidia和AMD的利润率都很高。甚至AMD 49%的较低毛利率也很出色,这说明了这些业务的盈利能力。这些利润率不仅对芯片公司有利,而且与几乎任何公司相比都非常好。</p><p><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/7e436b7a48d40e35a233dcb5b9866bc5\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"399\" referrerpolicy=\"no-referrer\"/></p><p>Source: Yahoo Finance, Author's Calculations & Estimates</p><p>按每股计算,两家公司在过去4年的毛利润增长幅度相似(且令人印象深刻),尽管Nvidia显示出一些放缓的迹象。</p><p><b>稀释</b></p><p><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/1036a4afb15b9931f193180f29258588\" tg-width=\"665\" tg-height=\"420\" referrerpolicy=\"no-referrer\"/></p><p>Source: Yahoo Finance, Authors Calculations & Estimates</p><p><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/24626e2aa99190c6ebcae98898c28593\" tg-width=\"637\" tg-height=\"401\" referrerpolicy=\"no-referrer\"/></p><p>Source: Yahoo Finance, Authors Calculations & Estimates.</p><p>对这些公司有利的另一个因素是稀释,或者更确切地说,缺乏稀释。诚然,AMD在过去4年中发行了大约15万股,但与一些SaaS玩家相比,这算不了什么。Nvidia在维持其股票数量方面特别谨慎。在过去的4年里,股票数量只增加了35k,还不错。</p><p>稀释并不总是一件坏事,但考虑到所有因素,我宁愿拥有更多的公司而不是更少的公司。这就是为什么我经常以每股为基础查看收入和毛利润。</p><p><b>远期市盈率比较</b></p><p><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/5f04302b9f96ad66b223612348c51a0a\" tg-width=\"554\" tg-height=\"275\" referrerpolicy=\"no-referrer\"/></p><p>Source: Yahoo Finance, Authors Calculations & Estimates</p><p>当我评估公司时,我喜欢采用几种方法。我最喜欢的两个是贴现现金流分析和比较同行之间的远期市盈率。</p><p><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/0f868ec06d6529a4b55b0080a4cc59ab\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"262\" referrerpolicy=\"no-referrer\"/></p><p>Source: Yahoo Finance, Author's Calculations & Estimates</p><p>正如你在上面的图表中所看到的,Nvidia拥有最高的远期市盈率,而像<a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/BRCM\">博通</a>和<a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/QCOM\">高通</a>这样的老牌同行则落后得多,更接近于10倍而不是30倍。AMD和<a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/TXN\">德州仪器</a>相对处于中间位置。</p><p>仅从它们的远期市盈率来看,AMD看起来比Nvidia更有价值,但与一些增长较慢的同行相比,两者的价值可能仍被高估。</p><p><b>折现现金流分析</b></p><p>对于Nvidia和AMD,我在我的基础案例中使用了相同的假设,因为它们的收入和毛利润的历史增长率相似。</p><p><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/a639f9c6eaa62a12139953e8c77bae08\" tg-width=\"554\" tg-height=\"444\" referrerpolicy=\"no-referrer\"/></p><p>在我的基本情况下,我预测Nvidia将在5年内达到惊人的$55B收入和超过$20的收益,这意味着在短短5年内规模将增加一倍以上。即使在这种乐观的情况下,股票似乎也只是以公允价值交易。</p><p><b>Nvidia敏感性分析:</b></p><p><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/b9e32cd98c74d603f898a9a872bd6606\" tg-width=\"554\" tg-height=\"250\" referrerpolicy=\"no-referrer\"/></p><p><b>AMD基础案例:</b></p><p><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/99a9e75825f4dd3c44e07ec139612ee3\" tg-width=\"553\" tg-height=\"249\" referrerpolicy=\"no-referrer\"/></p><p>就AMD而言,我认为收入增长到420亿美元,收益增长到110亿美元,同样是现在的两倍多。这能实现吗?也许吧,但这绝不是肯定的。对AMD来说,幸运的是,根据这个DCF,它的股价并不像Nvidia那样高。</p><p><b>AMD的敏感度分析:</b></p><p><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/9b10f9781948b3501439087fd5d00040\" tg-width=\"554\" tg-height=\"247\" referrerpolicy=\"no-referrer\"/></p><p>由于其较低的估值,AMD的表现比Nvidia好一点,但我认为,作为投资者,其前景仍然不是特别吸引人。至少对于AMD来说,其较低的估值给了你比Nvidia更多的回旋余地,所以我会给他们这个机会。</p><p><b>风险</b></p><p>正如我在本文开头提到的,经济衰退或对经济衰退的恐惧,可能会损害他们的业务。鉴于所有的不确定性,再加上美联储加息,我认为这对这两家公司来说都是一个重大的下行风险。</p><p>这些公司面临的另一个挑战是它们的规模。两家公司的市值都超过了1000亿美元,这可能会在它们继续增长时带来一些独特的挑战。公司有4种主要的资本使用方式,红利、回购、并购和内部项目。</p><p>在所有内部项目获得资金后,在许多情况下,下一个最佳用途是并购。但是,正如我们从Nvidia收购ARM的失败中看到的那样,规模会阻碍并购的增长。由于并购对他们来说将变得越来越有挑战性,我预计他们的投资资本回报率将在长期内适度/减弱。</p><p><b>结论</b></p><p>Nvidia和AMD都是伟大的公司。他们创造了一些市场上最先进的计算芯片,并给他们的股东以丰厚的回报。随着它们的成长,它们都向游戏和个人计算之外的垂直领域进行了多元化发展,因此,进一步加强了它们业务的长期生存能力。</p><p>但是,并非所有了不起的事情都能永远持续下去。尤其是游戏终端市场已经出现了特别强烈的放缓,因为消费者已经开始在现实世界的体验上花费更多,而不是在游戏中购买。由于其多元化的收入基础,Nvidia和AMD可以抵消来自数据中心和汽车的一些影响。</p><p>对于Nvidia和AMD来说,我的观点是,供应受到限制但在改善,而需求强劲但可能在减弱。</p><p>而且,在同行中估值最高,这并没有给错误留下多少缓冲的余地。我将Nvidia评为 "表现不佳",一年期目标价格为88美元。</p><p>我将AMD评为 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Bloomberg)我们确实处于未知的水域,我们将何去何从,现在还没有定论。但不幸的是,对于芯片制造商Nvidia和AMD来说,无论结果如何,不确定性都会带来伤害。随着不确定性的增加,企业投资放缓。半成品只是不像SaaS那样通常具有粘性。例如,10美元的月费比对最新芯片组的1000美元投资要容易接受得多。如果困难时期来临,推迟芯片投资会更容易。想要与需要或者换一种说法,支付SaaS就像支付你的水费,而芯片就像支付厨房的改造费。我喜欢有一个漂亮的厨房,但我需要水。如果我在未来几个月里可能会失去工作,我就不会去改造我的厨房。芯片投资可以延迟,但如果你不付给微软,你失去了Outlook和Excel,那么会发生什么?这一切都回到了想要与需要的问题上,就像个人理财101一样。当然,这些公司确实有不断增长的SaaS业务,但与他们的传统芯片业务相比,相形见绌。鉴于其规模小,我不认为它与本分析特别相关。因此,当公司基于不确定性的增加而选择推迟 \"改造他们的厨房 \"时,我们可以预期它将损害像Nvidia和AMD这样的芯片公司。终端市场传统上,Nvidia和AMD这两个名字因其游戏芯片而闻名,但它们正日益超越游戏。Nvidia在数据中心拥有强大且不断增长的业务,而AMD在收购Xilinx之后,也进入了各种垂直领域。游戏市场的增长Gaming Revenue Growth by Segment (Statista)尽管实力强劲,但游戏市场历来具有强劲的增长预测,但从战术角度来看,不要把所有的鸡蛋都放在同一个篮子里是有道理的,Nvidia和AMD似乎也同意这一观点,因为他们进军其他垂直领域。我对Nvidia在数据中心的进步特别乐观,他们继续利用他们的人工智能芯片从传统玩家那里获得份额。随着越来越多的数据转移到亚马逊(AMZN)和微软(MSFT)等云公司,他们可能会购买更多的Nvidia芯片。Nvidia和AMD的收益上个月,我们收到了两家公司关于其财务业绩的最新消息,以及他们对未来发展方向的评论。我不会重复在Seeking Alpha其他地方已经说过的话,但是两家公司都发布了我认为好坏参半的内容。问题是增长似乎正在急剧放缓,他们的预测反映了这一点。产品通道为了在竞争中保持领先地位,Nvidia和AMD继续投入数十亿美元用于创新和研发。虽然两家公司继续将重点从游戏转移到其他垂直领域,如AR和AI,但我相信游戏在未来几年仍将是两家公司利润丰厚的来源。为了展示这些芯片的强大功能,我建议您阅读Nvidia的博客文章,其中详细介绍了他们新的40系列芯片的一些高级功能。Nvidia通过Nvidia所谓的“ADA LOVELACE”架构,他们声称游戏玩家将享受超越之前迭代的计算性能:图灵和安培。另一个创新领域来自AMD的Ryzen系列芯片。为了进一步提高芯片的性能,Nvidia和AMD 都采用了软件,使这些芯片的计算能力超过了原本可能的能力。财务分析这些公司在大流行时代大幅增加了收入,这不足为奇。两家公司的收入都增长了2-3倍,因为游戏玩家投资了他们的计算机,而云提供商继续投资于他们的数据中心。Source: Yahoo Finance, Author's Calculations & Estimates忽略股票数量波动,收入增长几乎并驾齐驱。与去年的数字相比,两家公司的增长都较TTM放缓,但自2020年以来,与市场上的许多其他公司相比,它们的增长速度普遍过快。Source: Yahoo Finance, Author's Calculations & EstimatesNvidia和AMD的利润率都很高。甚至AMD 49%的较低毛利率也很出色,这说明了这些业务的盈利能力。这些利润率不仅对芯片公司有利,而且与几乎任何公司相比都非常好。Source: Yahoo Finance, Author's Calculations & Estimates按每股计算,两家公司在过去4年的毛利润增长幅度相似(且令人印象深刻),尽管Nvidia显示出一些放缓的迹象。稀释Source: Yahoo Finance, Authors Calculations & EstimatesSource: Yahoo Finance, Authors Calculations & Estimates.对这些公司有利的另一个因素是稀释,或者更确切地说,缺乏稀释。诚然,AMD在过去4年中发行了大约15万股,但与一些SaaS玩家相比,这算不了什么。Nvidia在维持其股票数量方面特别谨慎。在过去的4年里,股票数量只增加了35k,还不错。稀释并不总是一件坏事,但考虑到所有因素,我宁愿拥有更多的公司而不是更少的公司。这就是为什么我经常以每股为基础查看收入和毛利润。远期市盈率比较Source: Yahoo Finance, Authors Calculations & Estimates当我评估公司时,我喜欢采用几种方法。我最喜欢的两个是贴现现金流分析和比较同行之间的远期市盈率。Source: Yahoo Finance, Author's Calculations & Estimates正如你在上面的图表中所看到的,Nvidia拥有最高的远期市盈率,而像博通和高通这样的老牌同行则落后得多,更接近于10倍而不是30倍。AMD和德州仪器相对处于中间位置。仅从它们的远期市盈率来看,AMD看起来比Nvidia更有价值,但与一些增长较慢的同行相比,两者的价值可能仍被高估。折现现金流分析对于Nvidia和AMD,我在我的基础案例中使用了相同的假设,因为它们的收入和毛利润的历史增长率相似。在我的基本情况下,我预测Nvidia将在5年内达到惊人的$55B收入和超过$20的收益,这意味着在短短5年内规模将增加一倍以上。即使在这种乐观的情况下,股票似乎也只是以公允价值交易。Nvidia敏感性分析:AMD基础案例:就AMD而言,我认为收入增长到420亿美元,收益增长到110亿美元,同样是现在的两倍多。这能实现吗?也许吧,但这绝不是肯定的。对AMD来说,幸运的是,根据这个DCF,它的股价并不像Nvidia那样高。AMD的敏感度分析:由于其较低的估值,AMD的表现比Nvidia好一点,但我认为,作为投资者,其前景仍然不是特别吸引人。至少对于AMD来说,其较低的估值给了你比Nvidia更多的回旋余地,所以我会给他们这个机会。风险正如我在本文开头提到的,经济衰退或对经济衰退的恐惧,可能会损害他们的业务。鉴于所有的不确定性,再加上美联储加息,我认为这对这两家公司来说都是一个重大的下行风险。这些公司面临的另一个挑战是它们的规模。两家公司的市值都超过了1000亿美元,这可能会在它们继续增长时带来一些独特的挑战。公司有4种主要的资本使用方式,红利、回购、并购和内部项目。在所有内部项目获得资金后,在许多情况下,下一个最佳用途是并购。但是,正如我们从Nvidia收购ARM的失败中看到的那样,规模会阻碍并购的增长。由于并购对他们来说将变得越来越有挑战性,我预计他们的投资资本回报率将在长期内适度/减弱。结论Nvidia和AMD都是伟大的公司。他们创造了一些市场上最先进的计算芯片,并给他们的股东以丰厚的回报。随着它们的成长,它们都向游戏和个人计算之外的垂直领域进行了多元化发展,因此,进一步加强了它们业务的长期生存能力。但是,并非所有了不起的事情都能永远持续下去。尤其是游戏终端市场已经出现了特别强烈的放缓,因为消费者已经开始在现实世界的体验上花费更多,而不是在游戏中购买。由于其多元化的收入基础,Nvidia和AMD可以抵消来自数据中心和汽车的一些影响。对于Nvidia和AMD来说,我的观点是,供应受到限制但在改善,而需求强劲但可能在减弱。而且,在同行中估值最高,这并没有给错误留下多少缓冲的余地。我将Nvidia评为 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年的思科之间的相似之处仍在继续。这两家公司相隔20多年,它们之间的相似之处非常显著。</p><p><b>糟糕的结果铺平了道路</b></p><p>英伟达糟糕的第二季度财报和第三季度业绩令人瞠目结舌,也许唯一更令人震惊的方面是第二天股价上涨。不过该公司已经预先公布了第二季度财报,因此并不意外。但在可怕的销售指导之外,令人惊讶的是疲软应收账款天数令人瞠目结舌, 应收天数高达72.2天,远高于预期的53.7天,也是十年来最高的应收账款天数。</p><p><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/0f178a8ffe1ee14c16eb00c54472fd1f\" tg-width=\"556\" tg-height=\"292\" referrerpolicy=\"no-referrer\" width=\"100%\" height=\"auto\"/></p><p>彭博新闻社</p><p>此外,未结清库存天数仍处于93.40左右的高位,这也是预料之中的,与上一季度相比略有下降,但应收账款和未清库存都是历史上非常高的数字。</p><p><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/f93a3a87e64d639458b74082184c7e24\" tg-width=\"609\" tg-height=\"319\" referrerpolicy=\"no-referrer\" width=\"100%\" height=\"auto\"/></p><p>彭博新闻社</p><p>很难用言语来形容销售指引为59 亿美元有多糟糕,比分析师的一致预期(大约69亿美元)低近15%。第三季度的预期从4月中旬的90亿美元左右下降,这使全年的收入预期从最高的349亿美元下降到272亿美元。分析师们现在认为2023财年的销售额将增长1.2%。</p><p><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/2d1f51f339c26711d8c347b451663893\" tg-width=\"623\" tg-height=\"327\" referrerpolicy=\"no-referrer\" width=\"100%\" height=\"auto\"/></p><p>彭博新闻社</p><p>由于销售预测和增长疲软,预计 2023 年收益将下降 20.6%至每股 3.53 美元。分析师认为明年的收入会反弹,攀升至约13.9%,达到310亿美元,使收益增加29%,达到4.56美元。</p><p>但在这一点上,问题可能多于答案,并且考虑到公司持有多少库存以及英伟达需要多长时间才能获得报酬,明年的前景可能不会太乐观。如果有一件事是确定的,那么今天的不确定性比90天前要高得多,这意味着,即使该股在2022年有实质性的下跌,但该股可能还远没有达到便宜的程度,其交易的PE接近35。</p><p>今天的英伟达比2021年底的时候更便宜,然而,历史上的平均PE为26.8,该股的交易倍数似乎更适合于2018年,也就是该公司上一次挣扎时的倍数,即低于20倍。</p><p><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/03dd9d14cabf4aae58d24f2e2363cec0\" tg-width=\"600\" tg-height=\"314\" referrerpolicy=\"no-referrer\" width=\"100%\" height=\"auto\"/></p><p>彭博新闻社</p><p>如果该股以20倍的收益交易,英伟达的价值将是每股91.20美元,与8月29日的当前价格约 159 美元相比,有很大的折扣。</p><p><b>思科的收入也大幅下降</b></p><p>听起来很疯狂,当然,但正如我多次指出的那样,从技术和现在的基本角度来看,该股票在 2000年末的走势与思科非常相似。</p><p>我上一次关注这个问题是在4月份,当时我注意到股票可能会在最坏的情况下发生深刻的转变。当时,牛市是相对直接的,他们认为,思科最大的败笔是2000年的收入骤降,最终导致股价大幅下跌,而英伟达的定位非常不同,预期收入增长强劲。</p><p>快进几个月后,英伟达的销售估计突然急剧下降,就像2000年的思科一样。在这一点上,有一点不同的是,分析师仍然认为英伟达的销售将在未来两年内恢复。</p><p>很明显,2000 年思科的销售额在很长一段时间内都没有恢复,也许英伟达的销售会复苏,而不是跟随思科的步伐,毕竟这是一个不同的时代。</p><p><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/ae0645848f115e2409471280547548bc\" tg-width=\"616\" tg-height=\"323\" referrerpolicy=\"no-referrer\" width=\"100%\" height=\"auto\"/></p><p>彭博新闻社</p><p><b>估值的下降也是类似的</b></p><p>即使从估值的角度来看,英伟达也像2000 年的思科一样下跌,按跟踪12个月计算的价格与销售比率自高峰期以来大幅下降。</p><p><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/57458dfa359a959d4b238e2f70803282\" tg-width=\"605\" tg-height=\"317\" referrerpolicy=\"no-referrer\" width=\"100%\" height=\"auto\"/></p><p>彭博新闻社</p><p>英伟达的发展方向并不是预先确定的,从长远来看,它无疑会发生转变,最终与思科不同。这并不是说英伟达的股票会像思科那样在未来22年内停滞不前。但值得注意的是,这两只股票和基本面之间的相似性令人瞠目结舌。</p><p><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/32b459c7fcc7de9b7f8d4e392786d34a\" tg-width=\"594\" tg-height=\"248\" referrerpolicy=\"no-referrer\" width=\"100%\" height=\"auto\"/></p><p>彭博新闻社</p><p><b>结语</b></p><p>根据2000年思科的发展路径,英伟达的下一次重大转变可能会在接下来的 30 天内发生,值得我们认真思考。如果30天过去了,英伟达的股价大幅走高,那么好消息是,英伟达的命运可能与思科不同,而相似之处也随之结束。</p></body></html>","collect":0,"html":"<!DOCTYPE html>\n<html>\n<head>\n<meta http-equiv=\"Content-Type\" 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height=\"auto\"/></p><p>彭博新闻社</p><p>很难用言语来形容销售指引为59 亿美元有多糟糕,比分析师的一致预期(大约69亿美元)低近15%。第三季度的预期从4月中旬的90亿美元左右下降,这使全年的收入预期从最高的349亿美元下降到272亿美元。分析师们现在认为2023财年的销售额将增长1.2%。</p><p><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/2d1f51f339c26711d8c347b451663893\" tg-width=\"623\" tg-height=\"327\" referrerpolicy=\"no-referrer\" width=\"100%\" height=\"auto\"/></p><p>彭博新闻社</p><p>由于销售预测和增长疲软,预计 2023 年收益将下降 20.6%至每股 3.53 美元。分析师认为明年的收入会反弹,攀升至约13.9%,达到310亿美元,使收益增加29%,达到4.56美元。</p><p>但在这一点上,问题可能多于答案,并且考虑到公司持有多少库存以及英伟达需要多长时间才能获得报酬,明年的前景可能不会太乐观。如果有一件事是确定的,那么今天的不确定性比90天前要高得多,这意味着,即使该股在2022年有实质性的下跌,但该股可能还远没有达到便宜的程度,其交易的PE接近35。</p><p>今天的英伟达比2021年底的时候更便宜,然而,历史上的平均PE为26.8,该股的交易倍数似乎更适合于2018年,也就是该公司上一次挣扎时的倍数,即低于20倍。</p><p><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/03dd9d14cabf4aae58d24f2e2363cec0\" tg-width=\"600\" tg-height=\"314\" referrerpolicy=\"no-referrer\" width=\"100%\" height=\"auto\"/></p><p>彭博新闻社</p><p>如果该股以20倍的收益交易,英伟达的价值将是每股91.20美元,与8月29日的当前价格约 159 美元相比,有很大的折扣。</p><p><b>思科的收入也大幅下降</b></p><p>听起来很疯狂,当然,但正如我多次指出的那样,从技术和现在的基本角度来看,该股票在 2000年末的走势与思科非常相似。</p><p>我上一次关注这个问题是在4月份,当时我注意到股票可能会在最坏的情况下发生深刻的转变。当时,牛市是相对直接的,他们认为,思科最大的败笔是2000年的收入骤降,最终导致股价大幅下跌,而英伟达的定位非常不同,预期收入增长强劲。</p><p>快进几个月后,英伟达的销售估计突然急剧下降,就像2000年的思科一样。在这一点上,有一点不同的是,分析师仍然认为英伟达的销售将在未来两年内恢复。</p><p>很明显,2000 年思科的销售额在很长一段时间内都没有恢复,也许英伟达的销售会复苏,而不是跟随思科的步伐,毕竟这是一个不同的时代。</p><p><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/ae0645848f115e2409471280547548bc\" tg-width=\"616\" tg-height=\"323\" referrerpolicy=\"no-referrer\" width=\"100%\" height=\"auto\"/></p><p>彭博新闻社</p><p><b>估值的下降也是类似的</b></p><p>即使从估值的角度来看,英伟达也像2000 年的思科一样下跌,按跟踪12个月计算的价格与销售比率自高峰期以来大幅下降。</p><p><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/57458dfa359a959d4b238e2f70803282\" tg-width=\"605\" tg-height=\"317\" referrerpolicy=\"no-referrer\" width=\"100%\" height=\"auto\"/></p><p>彭博新闻社</p><p>英伟达的发展方向并不是预先确定的,从长远来看,它无疑会发生转变,最终与思科不同。这并不是说英伟达的股票会像思科那样在未来22年内停滞不前。但值得注意的是,这两只股票和基本面之间的相似性令人瞠目结舌。</p><p><img 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