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兄得莫冲动
2022-08-10
哈哈哈哈哈
兄得莫冲动
2022-08-09
$大健云仓(GCT)$
近三年业绩增长趋势不错,大客户流量支持,会考虑参与申购一点。
兄得莫冲动
2021-11-04
美股再怎么涨大a都是狗着
美联储FOMC声明及主席鲍威尔发布会重点一览
兄得莫冲动
2021-09-22
因为中国限制房价下跌,就这点美国大呼:还是你不要脸
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兄得莫冲动
2021-07-08
马德原来涨股市跌,现在跌也要股市跌了?
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兄得莫冲动
2021-06-26
$维珍银河(SPCE)$
有毒
兄得莫冲动
2021-06-25
怎么不能打??
滴滴更新招股书,IPO定价13.5美元
兄得莫冲动
2021-06-24
$每日优鲜(MF)$
的老顾客了,消费了很多次,平时在上面买水果比较多,总的来说性价比还是不错的,送货速度也快,希望上市以后公司能做大做强,争取先干掉天猫超市哈哈(最近有被天猫气到[白眼][白眼])
@小虎活动:【每日优鲜上市】分享使用体验,赢100元储值卡!
兄得莫冲动
2021-06-22
$爱回收(RERE)$
这股就是套现来的果然没看错
兄得莫冲动
2021-06-22
$满帮(YMM)$
能赚一顿海底捞吗?
兄得莫冲动
2021-06-08
$掌门教育(ZME)$
看你表演
兄得莫冲动
2021-04-25
结论就是大家都去买基金,然后长线持有?
股市更像“输家的游戏”?这个测试真相了
兄得莫冲动
2021-04-13
这篇文章不错,转发给大家看看
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兄得莫冲动
2021-04-12
这篇文章不错,转发给大家看看
@爱上趋势股:一文看懂,如何布局全球芯片产业链!!!
兄得莫冲动
2021-04-07
核心资产都在美国,我就不信了基金不配置核心资产跑来我大A买二流资产,那种美国一个制裁就断供断产的下三流货色基金敢配吗?
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兄得莫冲动
2021-04-07
好的,十年后3000点见!
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兄得莫冲动
2021-04-01
$怪兽充电(EM)$
老虎这个app做短线交易体验不是一般的差
兄得莫冲动
2021-03-16
$腾讯控股(00700)$
马德弱鸡简直了
兄得莫冲动
2021-03-15
这篇文章不错,转发给大家看看
@小虎活动:【暴跌启示录】从8倍的收益率到本金亏损80%,他经历了什么?
兄得莫冲动
2021-01-25
$美光科技(MU)$
这垃圾股什么毛病马德
去老虎APP查看更多动态
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几年内股价持续下跌-跌幅很大。\n这个问题来源于《赢得输家的游戏》,作者是曾任先锋基金董事的查尔斯·埃利斯。大家的选择是什么呢?——如果选择A,那么你和书中90%的受试者一样;但作者认为正确的选择是B,因为以越低的价格买入,花费相同的成本获得的股份越多,未来可能的收入往往越多。这个测试说明,许多投资者的情绪和理性选择往往相违背。\n为什么股市更像“输家游戏”?\n在“赢家游戏”里,结果由赢家的正确行动决定;而在“输家游戏”里,结果则往往由输家的错误决定。\n作者举了一个例子,网球比赛可以分为两种:专业球员“赢得”比分,而业余球员则是“输掉”比分。在专业网球比赛中,比赛的最终结果由赢家的行动所决定,出色的球员很少失误;但业余网球比赛的结果往往由输家决定,因为业余球手很少击败对手,相反他们却经常“击败”自己,获胜的一方得分更高是因为对手失分更多。\n投资和网球极其相似,现在美国市场中充斥着大量专业投资者,大家都不太会犯错或者错误都十分相似,所以投资也更像是“输家游戏”。而想赢得“输家游戏”的最好方法,就是减少错误。作者认为投资者若想走得更远,应该掌握以下要点:\n投资的核心原则:认识你自己\n很多投资者的情绪会随着市场波动而受到影响,面对这种情况,作者提出市场先生和价值先生的故事——市场先生情绪变化无常,令人着迷、极具欺骗性,易受到短期波动的影响。而价值先生情绪稳定,可靠,长期做着重要的工作,却总是被投资者忽视。但将时间延长,市场先生荒谬的行为会像沙滩上的沙堡一样随“潮水”退去,价值先生总能获得最终的胜利。\n面对市场先生的各种诱惑,“认识你自己”是投资的核心原则之一。股票市场里最大的挑战其实并不来自市场先生和价值先生,挑战是无形的,不能量化的,隐藏在每个投资者的情绪弱点中,如果能做到理性对待、目光长远、耐心持有、坚持目标就能在投资的路上走的更远。\n面对市场短期的频繁波动,善意的忽略是投资成功的秘诀之一。正如巴菲特所言:“日子久了,我们总会碰到好时候和坏时候,但投资并不因为好时候非常热情或者坏时候非常沮丧而有所得。”\n“击败市场”,不如加入市场\n基于长远眼光和明确目标来确立投资策略,是建立投资组合的基础,也是经历市场周期、进行长期管理的基础。要先清楚自己的财务状况和投资现状,对应自己的收入水平、储蓄、支出、使用可支配资金的时间和数量。\n面对市场随时可能出现的极端情况,只有投资者知道自己面对价格波动的承受能力。“击败市场的唯一方法就是击败专业投资者,但作为一个集体,他们就是市场。”太多人做不好投资,都是因为太想赢,投资者应该专注真正可能实现的合理目标,确定自己的投资策略,持之以恒。\n面对变化无常的资本市场,如果投资者不能击败最大的、最活跃的机构,那么进行基金投资就是个良好的选择——既然无法“击败市场”,为什么不选择加入呢?\n为投资设定时间框架\n在投资方面,时间就是阿基米德的杠杆。投资的时间长度是制定正确资产组合的关键,持有的时间越长,投资组合的长期回报就可能更接近投资者的预期。在不同的条件和目标下,时间会改变投资者对不同投资方式的应用。\n1900~2000年扣除通胀后,股票、债券和现金的收益范围\n\n数据来源:《赢得输家的游戏》\n数据显示,长期投资对投资者最有利。从长期来看,股票每年的回报率不太稳定,但如果将时间框架设置为5年,投资收益率的规律性会明显提高。如果时间框架设置为10年,回报率的规律性更明显。\n相似的是天气和气候的概念:天气是短期波动,而气候是长期概念,天气变化无常,但长期来看,天气终会变成有规律的气候。长期,遇到“反常事件”是不可避免的,但最终是有规律可循的。\n查尔斯·埃利斯指出:“长期来看,投资者遭受损失的一种典型情况是:在市场形式非常糟糕的时候,恐慌地清仓出局。他们会正好错过股票出乎意料大涨的好日子。”","news_type":1},"isVote":1,"tweetType":1,"viewCount":1792,"authorTweetTopStatus":1,"verified":2,"comments":[],"imageCount":0,"langContent":"CN","totalScore":0},{"id":345432046,"gmtCreate":1618328386485,"gmtModify":1618328386485,"author":{"id":"3546910092168431","authorId":"3546910092168431","name":"兄得莫冲动","avatar":"https://static.tigerbbs.com/ba1a36775ba8bea0c941b6179be6cd60","crmLevel":1,"crmLevelSwitch":1,"followedFlag":false,"idStr":"3546910092168431","authorIdStr":"3546910092168431"},"themes":[],"htmlText":"这篇文章不错,转发给大家看看","listText":"这篇文章不错,转发给大家看看","text":"这篇文章不错,转发给大家看看","images":[],"top":1,"highlighted":1,"essential":1,"paper":1,"likeSize":0,"commentSize":0,"repostSize":0,"link":"https://laohu8.com/post/345432046","repostId":"342118432","repostType":1,"isVote":1,"tweetType":1,"viewCount":1162,"authorTweetTopStatus":1,"verified":2,"comments":[],"imageCount":0,"langContent":"CN","totalScore":0},{"id":342670891,"gmtCreate":1618215542213,"gmtModify":1618215542213,"author":{"id":"3546910092168431","authorId":"3546910092168431","name":"兄得莫冲动","avatar":"https://static.tigerbbs.com/ba1a36775ba8bea0c941b6179be6cd60","crmLevel":1,"crmLevelSwitch":1,"followedFlag":false,"idStr":"3546910092168431","authorIdStr":"3546910092168431"},"themes":[],"htmlText":"这篇文章不错,转发给大家看看","listText":"这篇文章不错,转发给大家看看","text":"这篇文章不错,转发给大家看看","images":[],"top":1,"highlighted":1,"essential":1,"paper":1,"likeSize":0,"commentSize":0,"repostSize":0,"link":"https://laohu8.com/post/342670891","repostId":"348737583","repostType":1,"repost":{"id":348737583,"gmtCreate":1617962174338,"gmtModify":1617967808006,"author":{"id":"3502860692623653","authorId":"3502860692623653","name":"爱上趋势股","avatar":"https://static.tigerbbs.com/17f4521614b0cae62aff9fa7fa80fa77","crmLevel":1,"crmLevelSwitch":0,"followedFlag":false,"idStr":"3502860692623653","authorIdStr":"3502860692623653"},"themes":[],"title":"一文看懂,如何布局全球芯片产业链!!!","htmlText":"——趋势哥出品,必是精品—— 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