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自动驾驶需要一场泡沫

格隆汇2021-04-21

一个行业有“钱景”，必然引发一阵“骚乱”。十年前是智能手机，现在是智能汽车。作为智能汽车最引人注目的应用，自动驾驶无疑最能撩拨产业界的神经。现在，除了特斯拉、Google、百度这些先行者，连华为也进来了，并放出要吊打特斯拉的豪言。吊不吊打特斯拉有待验证，但是华为带来的自动驾驶首先在股市牵起一阵热潮。多个概念股相继涨停。从产业前景看，自动驾驶是星辰大海，但是从资本投入来看，它也可能成为吞噬...

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Sunnylr
·2021-04-22
哈哈,有本事的都去老美那上市,圈了高鼻子们钱后再去挟持他们的芯片,那才叫真功夫, 躲在家里窝里横永远也不会啥出息.可以做到吗？
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bilbili
·2021-04-22
百家争鸣，最后活下来的八成也就一个手掌的个数
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hydenana
·2021-04-22
真的是了解特斯拉吗？还在这里讲激光雷达。。。
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龙腾虎乐
·2021-04-22
自动驾驶的软件和硬件平台的稳定性是一个很大的挑战。敢于把自己的生命捆绑到一台复杂的计算机上需要很大勇气[财迷] 不懂软件的人胆子可能大一点吧[捂脸] 我比较保守，还是你们先来[害羞] [害羞]
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海中霸王
·2021-04-21
华为有什么可牛逼的技术？
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- 遥望星空2050:
  它不需要技术，华为，二个字就牛逼了
  2021-04-22
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菜鸟小股民
·2021-04-21
大多数入场者都是跟风的投机者。割完韭菜就跑路。引领革命？不存在的！忽悠来钱快！
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alexsp
·2021-04-21
吊打10年以后吧！现在差太远了
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巴山新雨
·2021-04-21
讲的很精辟，也很全面。
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Memphisk
·2021-04-21
华为从特斯拉那里学来技术，然后赶走特斯拉，就什么都有了
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- 张小明美股:
  赚容易赚的钱没有罪。但是华为天天爱国营销迟早砸到自己的脚。
  2021-04-22
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- 少年_2670回复Leelol:
  指望雷军研究芯片吗？他很厉害，但是他们看不到任正非看到的事吗？我是不信的，他们只是选择了容易赚的钱而已
  2021-04-22
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  +1
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股神大盛
·2021-04-21
自动驾驶不靠谱，又在吹泡泡，收割韭菜投入
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猛逃
·2021-04-21
这是要全方位的碰瓷呀[疑问]
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RoadToTesla
·2021-04-21
有思想！
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老王很正直
·2021-04-21
的确
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我和你娘是老乡
·2021-04-21
天下大势，分久必合，合久必分
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我和你娘是老乡
·2021-04-21
同意
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Tenbagger168
·2021-04-21
冷静💪🏻
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新加坡的大螃蟹
·2021-04-21
好的吧
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