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诺奖得主席勒深度剖析美股疯涨

腾讯美股2020-07-08

众所周知，美股在疫情时期的疯涨表现吊诡之极，让众多观察家大跌眼镜，也让众多投资专家欲哭无泪，哪怕到今天，也依然与经济基本面严重脱节。这样令人难以索解的一幕到底是如何上演的？诺贝尔经济学奖得主席勒（Robert Shiller）在报业辛迪加撰文指出，这也许该从群众心理学，观念的扩散，叙事的传播规律视角去观察。以下即全文。疫情期间的股市，尤其是美国股市，看上去似乎是在公然藐视逻辑。投资和就业全线...

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行天下639800
·2020-07-09
是的，大多数时候不会
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梓源之源
·2020-07-09
nb
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穷鬼搬砖头
·2020-07-08
所以经济学家表达的意思中国股民早就懂了，就是什么分析什么估值什么环境，毛用都没，消息一吹，大水一放，庄家一带，韭菜一冲动，大妈一进场，就是不讲道理往上涨
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- _7847:
  😄
  2020-07-09
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一年翻百倍
·2020-07-08
说了这么多废话？
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雪光映心
·2020-07-08
这不是回光返照？灾难多发、危机重重、经济重创，什么逻辑支撑现实的股市牛起来？增发货币是屡试不爽的良药？强心剂还是兴奋剂？股市代表经济，还是经济引导股市？
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TedZhang
·2020-07-08
其实智者应该就是这样: 能够理性地使用相对有限的知识来阐释一件事情。诺奖获得者也不是神，承认自己的无知就是对的。
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我很强我知道
·2020-07-08
诺奖得主如此智慧，应该炒股赚了不少
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- iAm22:
  惭愧记错人了[捂脸] 我看过席勒的公开课想着同一个人了
  2020-07-08
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- isilluna:
  耶鲁捐赠基金管理者是大卫斯文森啊
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- iAm22:
  校友捐赠基金
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iAm22
·2020-07-08
席勒老爷子的意思就是他也不懂[丢脸] 也闷逼了不过他的公开课还不错看看挺好
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- iiislynn:
  甚得朕心啊！
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