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对待元宇宙：罗永浩的积极与刘慈欣的悲观

靠谱的阿星2021-11-05

文/靠谱的阿星罗永浩宣布进军元宇宙了。讲真！罗老师热情投入热门风口每次都略迟一步，但是虽迟总到。从锤子手机之后，电子烟、直播带货样样风生水起，赚钱不耽误的同时，也为这些行业站台、引流，不亦乐乎。之所以投身这些风口，主要是因为有钱赚。钱是最理性的，尽管罗老师每次都表现得十分感性，但是行动很诚实。就好像成龙大哥代言游戏广告时候，每次都是这样的台词桥段：「经过朋友推荐，“一开始我是拒绝的”，...

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金地金地
·2021-11-08
元宇宙就是虚拟世界呀跟未来要探索广阔无垠的太空比起来太渺小啦
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金地金地
·2021-11-08
元宇宙就是虚拟世界跟未来探索广阔无垠的太空比起来太渺小啦
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妙鹰
·2021-11-06
阅读涨知识了
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Alphaeus
·2021-11-06
是曲率驅動光速飛船吧？，不是‘曲力’驅動
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Sam Ang
·2021-11-06
Good[财迷]
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EricStone
·2021-11-06
别高抬了罗永浩商人思维现在才关注meta 是因为钱。别拉低了老刘思想家 2000就已经写出来了是自己的思维。罗永浩不叫积极叫投机。根本不是一个level的。
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elitial
·2021-11-06
支持刘慈欣的看法，元宇宙的发展到最后只会把人类文明的发展扼杀在元宇宙里，因为当人们在虚拟世界里什么都拥有后，就不会再向前进步，扩张探索，直接扼杀人类文明动力
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股色股香8888
·2021-11-06
先把人造肉弄出来再说吧。
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独孤Time
·2021-11-05
说说你对这篇新闻的看法...
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jellzone
·2021-11-05
比刘慈欣早50多年的科幻小说都写很多了,小编应该是基本不看科幻的
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龙腾虎乐
·2021-11-05
他俩懂个毛[开心] [开心]
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  你毛都不懂
  2021-11-06
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ZL_99395
·2021-11-05
刘慈欣不是文科生。
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子时夜秋寒
·2021-11-05
没什么元宇宙
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爱和正義的化身
·2021-11-05
虽然我一事无成，但是瞧不上罗[流泪]
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