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Why Investors Need to Stay Far Away From Rivian (for Now)

Motley Fool2021-12-03

One of the hottest companies in the investing universe right now is Rivian. The electric vehicle start-up just went public at a market cap north of $100 billion, which is astounding considering the ...

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