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不花钱不舒服斯基

10-23

怎么确定没错呢

@每天5000:$拼多多(PDD)$ 没错的话11月开始大涨50% ，看以往记录除了21年疫情爆发以往数据11月必定暴涨40-50%

不花钱不舒服斯基

10-05

$老虎证券(TIGR)$ 看不懂了这种涨法？！

不花钱不舒服斯基

05-06

大家怎么买？买多买空？

极氪计划本周五登陆纽交所：IPO估值或超50亿美元，吉利、宁德时代参与基石

不花钱不舒服斯基

04-08

美股账户+2 套+房产按揭+2 娃

不花钱不舒服斯基

04-08

$特斯拉(TSLA)$ 要涨到 2000 美刀

不花钱不舒服斯基

03-11

$特斯拉(TSLA)$ spaceX 是不是也是特斯拉子公司？

不花钱不舒服斯基

2023-10-16

‌$Faraday Future(FFIE)$ ‌最后啥时候能量产？？？？

不花钱不舒服斯基

2023-10-06

‌$老虎证券(TIGR)$ ‌这只票是让我亏得最多d的。。。。

不花钱不舒服斯基

2023-09-22

$三倍做空富时中国ETF-Direxion(YANG)$ 这一下跳开，中美经济小组达成了有建设性意义的方案？港股和大 A 要回归了吗？

不花钱不舒服斯基

2023-09-10

$三倍做空富时中国ETF-Direxion(YANG)$ 10万亿平滑基金来了，A股能起飞吗？

不花钱不舒服斯基

2023-08-22

‌$特斯拉(TSLA)$ ‌空单的同志是不是有点疼

不花钱不舒服斯基

2023-07-11

$老虎证券(TIGR)$ 买这支票的同志还多吗

不花钱不舒服斯基

2023-05-05

感谢北京商报，让消费者额外付了几万块

特斯拉中国上调全新Model S及全新Model X全系车型售价

不花钱不舒服斯基

2023-05-03

你这翻译一半不翻译另一半的，就是个标题党。带着偏向性的引导大众！

75岁“AI教父”离职谷歌！痛悔毕生工作，无法阻止人类AI大战

不花钱不舒服斯基

2023-03-27

回复 @Jason Zhao:马上开始赚钱了//@Jason Zhao:23抄底的默默路过

@不花钱不舒服斯基:$第一共和银行(FRC)$ 有多少人等着抄底

不花钱不舒服斯基

2023-03-24

$第一共和银行(FRC)$ 有多少人等着抄底

不花钱不舒服斯基

2022-11-03

$中信建投证券(06066)$黄金地底到了吗？

不花钱不舒服斯基

2022-03-28

$游戏驿站(GME)$有可以开始做空了

不花钱不舒服斯基

2022-03-18

快跑吧

@把夜晚染黑:$老虎证券(TIGR)$跑是不跑。？

不花钱不舒服斯基

2022-02-08

$怪兽充电(EM)$这快要退市了吧

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justify;\">其中，吉利将在本次IPO发行中认购至多价值3.2亿美元的ADS，Mobileye和<a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/300750\">宁德时代</a>则计划分别认购至多价值1000万美元和1908万美元的ADS，三者合计至多认购价值3.4908亿美元的ADS。</p><p style=\"text-align: justify;\">以发行区间上限计算，极氪的IPO估值或达51.3亿美元。</p><p style=\"text-align: justify;\">这里需要指出的一点是，<strong>即使极氪已是一个成长性较强的赛道（新能源汽车）里的一支相对优质的标的，但从整个IPO发行计划来看，极氪的IPO之路绝对谈不上“顺利”</strong>——一方面，其预期募资规模一再减少，从最初的超10亿美元至后续的5亿美元直至最终的3.675亿美元，且市场化公开发售的比例极低；另一方面，50亿美元上下的IPO估值较其前一轮130亿美元的估值折让的比例还是不小。</p><p style=\"text-align: justify;\">当然，不排除本周因认购火爆而出现的提高发行区间及发行规模的可能性。但无论如何，对于后续想要赴美IPO的国内企业而言，管理团队的IPO筹备依然“任重道远”。</p><p style=\"text-align: justify;\">回到极氪本身。<strong>成立于2021年3月极氪现旗下产品组合涵盖极氪001、极氪001FR、极氪009、极氪X、极氪007等车型</strong>。</p><p style=\"text-align: justify;\">其中，2021年4月发布的极氪001作为极氪的首款车型，瞄准高端纯电动汽车市场。根据弗若斯特沙利文的报告，极氪001是全球首款CLTC续航里程超过1000公里的量产纯电汽车；而2022年11月推出的极氪009作为极氪的第二款车型，其定位<a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/DLX\">豪华</a>六座MPV，是全球第一款基于纯电平台的高端MPV。今年4月，极氪推出了ZEEKR 009（光辉版），具有更强的安全性、隐私性和智能行。同月，极氪还发布了MPV车型ZEEKR MIX。</p><p style=\"text-align: justify;\">此外，极氪在2023年4月发布了紧凑型SUV极氪X；同年10月发布了最新纯电猎装超跑极氪001FR，是全球第一辆能够做坦克掉头的猎装车，也是中国境内加速最快的量产纯电车型；11月，极氪又发布了其首款纯电豪华轿车极氪007，并于今年1月开始交付。</p><p style=\"text-align: justify;\">值得一提的是，极氪001在首次交付后不到四个月的时间内就实现了10000台的总交付，根据弗若斯特沙利文的报告，这是中国主要中高端新能源汽车和高端纯电汽车中交付速度最快的车型之一。2022年10月，极氪向市场交付了10119辆极氪001，使其成为中国纯电汽车品牌打造的首款单月交付量超过10000辆的纯电高端车型。</p><p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><strong>截至2023年12月31日，极氪累计交付了196633辆汽车，这是2021年10月至2023年12月中国高端纯电汽车市场交付速度最快的品牌之一</strong>。</p><p style=\"text-align: justify;\">此外，为了更好地提供消费体验，极氪采取DTC直营销售模式而不是经销商模式——截至2023年12月31日，极氪拥有24个极氪中心、240个极氪空间、31个极氪交付中心以及45个ZEEKR House。截至同日，极氪在中国130余个城市建立了882个充电站，并基于第三方充电站的支持，已累计覆盖中国340多个城市的约61万个充电桩。</p><p style=\"text-align: justify;\">财务数据方面。<strong>2021年至2023年，极氪的总营收分别为65.27亿元、318.99亿元和516.73亿元。2023年，极氪整车毛利率为15.0%，较2022年增长超10个百分点</strong>。</p><p style=\"text-align: justify;\">极氪在招股书中表示，IPO募集所得资金净额的约45%将用于研发更先进的纯电动汽车技术与扩大产品组合；约45%将用于销售和营销，和扩大服务与充电网络；约10%将用于一般企业用途。</p></body></html>","collect":0,"html":"<!DOCTYPE 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href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/300750\">宁德时代</a>则计划分别认购至多价值1000万美元和1908万美元的ADS，三者合计至多认购价值3.4908亿美元的ADS。</p><p style=\"text-align: justify;\">以发行区间上限计算，极氪的IPO估值或达51.3亿美元。</p><p style=\"text-align: justify;\">这里需要指出的一点是，<strong>即使极氪已是一个成长性较强的赛道（新能源汽车）里的一支相对优质的标的，但从整个IPO发行计划来看，极氪的IPO之路绝对谈不上“顺利”</strong>——一方面，其预期募资规模一再减少，从最初的超10亿美元至后续的5亿美元直至最终的3.675亿美元，且市场化公开发售的比例极低；另一方面，50亿美元上下的IPO估值较其前一轮130亿美元的估值折让的比例还是不小。</p><p style=\"text-align: justify;\">当然，不排除本周因认购火爆而出现的提高发行区间及发行规模的可能性。但无论如何，对于后续想要赴美IPO的国内企业而言，管理团队的IPO筹备依然“任重道远”。</p><p style=\"text-align: justify;\">回到极氪本身。<strong>成立于2021年3月极氪现旗下产品组合涵盖极氪001、极氪001FR、极氪009、极氪X、极氪007等车型</strong>。</p><p style=\"text-align: justify;\">其中，2021年4月发布的极氪001作为极氪的首款车型，瞄准高端纯电动汽车市场。根据弗若斯特沙利文的报告，极氪001是全球首款CLTC续航里程超过1000公里的量产纯电汽车；而2022年11月推出的极氪009作为极氪的第二款车型，其定位<a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/DLX\">豪华</a>六座MPV，是全球第一款基于纯电平台的高端MPV。今年4月，极氪推出了ZEEKR 009（光辉版），具有更强的安全性、隐私性和智能行。同月，极氪还发布了MPV车型ZEEKR MIX。</p><p style=\"text-align: justify;\">此外，极氪在2023年4月发布了紧凑型SUV极氪X；同年10月发布了最新纯电猎装超跑极氪001FR，是全球第一辆能够做坦克掉头的猎装车，也是中国境内加速最快的量产纯电车型；11月，极氪又发布了其首款纯电豪华轿车极氪007，并于今年1月开始交付。</p><p style=\"text-align: justify;\">值得一提的是，极氪001在首次交付后不到四个月的时间内就实现了10000台的总交付，根据弗若斯特沙利文的报告，这是中国主要中高端新能源汽车和高端纯电汽车中交付速度最快的车型之一。2022年10月，极氪向市场交付了10119辆极氪001，使其成为中国纯电汽车品牌打造的首款单月交付量超过10000辆的纯电高端车型。</p><p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><strong>截至2023年12月31日，极氪累计交付了196633辆汽车，这是2021年10月至2023年12月中国高端纯电汽车市场交付速度最快的品牌之一</strong>。</p><p style=\"text-align: justify;\">此外，为了更好地提供消费体验，极氪采取DTC直营销售模式而不是经销商模式——截至2023年12月31日，极氪拥有24个极氪中心、240个极氪空间、31个极氪交付中心以及45个ZEEKR House。截至同日，极氪在中国130余个城市建立了882个充电站，并基于第三方充电站的支持，已累计覆盖中国340多个城市的约61万个充电桩。</p><p style=\"text-align: justify;\">财务数据方面。<strong>2021年至2023年，极氪的总营收分别为65.27亿元、318.99亿元和516.73亿元。2023年，极氪整车毛利率为15.0%，较2022年增长超10个百分点</strong>。</p><p style=\"text-align: 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19:17","market":"us","language":"zh","title":"75岁“AI教父”离职谷歌！痛悔毕生工作，无法阻止人类AI大战","url":"https://stock-news.laohu8.com/highlight/detail?id=1199630925","media":"新智元","summary":"入职谷歌10年后，人工智能教父Hinton选择离职。对于造就了如今AI技术繁荣的神经网络，Hinton表示：这是我毕生的后悔。深度学习泰斗、神经网络之父Geoffrey Hinton突然宣布离职谷歌。","content":"<html><head></head><body><blockquote><strong>入职谷歌10年后，人工智能教父Hinton选择离职。对于造就了如今AI技术繁荣的神经网络，Hinton表示：这是我毕生的后悔。</strong></blockquote><p>深度学习泰斗、神经网络之父Geoffrey Hinton突然宣布离职谷歌。</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/acc3dc261cb6d19c118db0dec4afd246\" title=\"\" tg-width=\"1080\" tg-height=\"274\"/></p><blockquote>为了能够自由谈论人工智能风险，而不考虑这对谷歌的影响。</blockquote><p>纽约时报的报道中，<strong>Hinton直接警示世人：注意，前方有危险，前方有危险，前方有危险！</strong></p><p>而正是对人工智能风险深深地担忧，让这位深度学习巨佬直言：「<strong>我对自己的毕生工作，感到非常后悔。</strong>」</p><p>如今，距离Hinton入职谷歌，刚好十年。</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/07cba7e99a153efea7808c87b17f73f3\" title=\"\" tg-width=\"1080\" tg-height=\"539\"/></p><p>对于Hinton此举，有人甚至劝说，应该将关注人工智能安全常态化，而不必辞去工作。</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/bc57c36a9353f834c098a870764d3ee3\" title=\"\" tg-width=\"1080\" tg-height=\"138\"/></p><p>这更应该是你留下来的理由。因为世界是不会停止的，像你这样的伟大人物应该坚持下去，并将人工智能发展的更好。</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/57e6b2dfbcf492352f10bb283f4ae936\" title=\"\" tg-width=\"1080\" tg-height=\"215\"/></p><p>你应该劝说你的<strong>学生Yann LeCun和Ilya Sutskever。</strong></p><p>值得一提的是，<strong>ChatGPT背后真正的英雄正是OpenAI的联合创始人兼首席科学家Ilya。</strong></p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/979e8bfcc446a48ed0014bfce965f78b\" title=\"\" tg-width=\"894\" tg-height=\"122\"/></p><p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><strong>一、AI「关键时刻」，人类控制不住了</strong></p><p><strong>被称为「人工智能教父」的Geoffrey Hinton，一直都是该领域最受尊敬的先驱之一。</strong></p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/32ef17a1808b7107fc4afb63ecda40f7\" title=\"\" tg-width=\"1080\" tg-height=\"1079\"/></p><p>今年3月末，万名大佬签字发出联名信，呼吁暂停训练比GPT-4更强大的AI六个月。</p><p>图灵三巨头中，Bengio高调签名、LeCun旗帜鲜明地反对，唯有Hinton一言不发，耐人寻味地保持沉默。</p><p>而Hinton提出离职的时间，正是在此之后的4月份。</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/c01d138ffdaba0cd164e2aebb481c2a8\" title=\"\" tg-width=\"1080\" tg-height=\"522\"/></p><p>从他的推特上可以看出，无论是最近GPT-4等超强AI引发的巨大争议，还是谷歌高层的剧烈动荡，Hinton都始终保持缄默，不发一言。</p><p>许多人关注着这位人工智能教父的态度。</p><p>在CBS的一次采访中，Hinton表示<strong>「我们几乎已经让学会计算机如何自我改进了，这很危险，我们必须认真考虑，如何控制它。」</strong></p><p><strong>从人工智能的开创者到末日预言者，Hinton的转变，也标志着科技行业正处于几十年来最重要的一个拐点。</strong></p><p>先驱的沉痛反思，让我们终于不能再掩耳盗铃，假装没有看见AI可能给人类社会引发的深刻改变和巨大危机了。</p><p>盖茨等许多大佬认为，ChatGPT可能与上世纪90年代初网络浏览器一样重要，并可能在药物研究、教育等领域带来突破。</p><p>与此同时，令许多业内人士不安的是，他们担心自己所做的研究，正在向外释放某种危险。</p><p>因为<strong>生成式人工智能可能已经成为产生错误信息的工具，并在未来的某个时候，可能会对人类构成威胁。</strong></p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/cef4539a95bf98f77c5b55bee4dc416f\" title=\"\" tg-width=\"1080\" tg-height=\"544\"/></p><p>在Hinton看来，如何防止坏人利用它做坏事，我们还未能找到方法。</p><p>在3月底呼吁暂停超强AI六个月的公开信发出几天后，人工智能促进协会的19位领导人也发布了公开信，警告AI的风险。</p><p>其中就包括微软的首席科学官Eric Horvitz，而微软已在一系列产品中（包括Bing搜索引擎中）部署了OpenAI的GPT技术。</p><p>在喧嚣的反对浪潮中，人工智能教父Hinton却并未在这两封信上签名。</p><p>他说，自己在辞去工作之前，并不想公开批评谷歌，或其他公司。</p><p>忍到上个月，Hinton终于下定决心，通知谷歌自己即将辞职。</p><p><strong>选择离职谷歌后，Hinton终于可以畅所欲言地谈论AI的风险了。</strong></p><blockquote><strong>我对我的毕生工作，感到十分后悔。</strong></blockquote><p>我只能这样安慰自己：即使没有我，也会有别人。</p><p>上周四，他与谷歌母公司Alphabet的CEO劈柴（Sundar Pichai）通了电话，但他表示不便透露此次谈话的细节。</p><p>作为一家大公司，谷歌对于AI的态度一向保守，甚至保守到，眼睁睁看着自己在聊天AI机器人之战中被甩在后面。</p><p>早在2015年，谷歌的图像识别AI曾将黑人标记为「大猩猩」，招致的批评让谷歌成为惊弓之鸟。</p><p>在OpenAI推出Dall-E 2、名震全球之前，谷歌就有类似模型，但并没有发布，因为谷歌认为需要对AI生成的内容负责。</p><p>而早在2021年，谷歌就已有了类似ChatGPT的LaMDA聊天机器人，但谷歌始终未发布。直到2022年11月底，OpenAI凭ChatGPT占尽风头。</p><p>如今，谷歌首席科学家Jeff Dean在一份声明中表示：「我们仍然致力于对人工智能采取负责任的态度，我们正在不断学习了解新出现的风险，同时也在大胆创新。」</p><p><strong>二、开启了历史，也见证了历史</strong></p><p>1972年，Hinton在爱丁堡大学开始了他的研究生生涯。</p><p>在那里，他首次开始研究神经网络——一种通过分析数据来学习技能的数学系统。</p><p>当时，很少有研究人员相信这个观点。但这成了他毕生的心血。</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/d552b8b5c5693a7a4280beae46945622\" title=\"\" tg-width=\"1080\" tg-height=\"845\"/></p><p>2012年，Hinton和他两名学生Ilya Sutskever和Alex Krishevsky建立了一个神经网络，可以分析数千张照片，并自学识别花、狗和汽车等常见物体。</p><p>神经网络成为他与两名学生共同创建的公司DNNresearch背后的突破性概念，该公司最终在2013年被谷以4400万美元收购。</p><p>2018年，Geoffrey Hinton、Yann LeCun和Yoshua Bengio一起因对神经网络的研究获得了2018年的图灵奖，而<strong>神经网络正是ChatGPT、Bard等聊天机器人背后的奠基性技术。</strong></p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/f5be91b8a83f3b12921adceb354fc299\" title=\"\" tg-width=\"764\" tg-height=\"430\"/></p><p>而<strong>Hinton的学生Ilya Sutskever，也在后来成为OpenAI首席科学家。</strong></p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/7bee7581b3dd1aada97e10623412904d\" title=\"\" tg-width=\"1080\" tg-height=\"801\"/></p><p>大约在同一时间，谷歌、 OpenAI和其他科技公司开始构建从大量数字文本中学习的神经网络。</p><p>那时的Hinton认为，这是机器理解和产生语言的一种强大方式。当然不得不承认，比起人类处理语言的方式没，神经网络还是力不能及。</p><p>2022年，随着谷歌和OpenAI 利用大量数据构建超强AI。</p><p>Hinton的观点发生了重大转变。他仍然认为这些系统在某些方面不如人类的大脑，但<strong>它们在其他方面正在超越人类的智力。</strong></p><p>GPT-4发布当天，Hinton曾表示，</p><blockquote><strong>毛虫吸取了营养之后，就会化茧为蝶。而人类提取了数十亿个理解的金块，GPT-4，就是人类的蝴蝶。</strong></blockquote><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/709cee80e763a579cfff98b95d39ae20\" title=\"\" tg-width=\"1080\" tg-height=\"259\"/></p><p>Hinton称赞的背后，让许多人看到超强人工智能系统的智力已经非同寻常。</p><p>对此，Hinton谈到人工智能技术时表示，<strong>随着科技公司改进人工智能系统，它们变得越来越危险。</strong></p><p>看看五年前和现在的情况，如果还要继续传播这项技术，<strong>后果就太可怕了！</strong></p><p>在谷歌十年生涯中，Hinton一直看好谷歌在人工智能技术上谨慎的态度。</p><p>他表示，直到去年，谷歌一直扮演着这项技术的「合适管家」角色，谨小慎微地不去发布可能造成危险的AI。</p><p>这恰恰解释了，为啥谷歌在这波人工智能浪潮中落后的原因。</p><p>但是现在，微软为其必应搜索引擎接入GPT-4的能力，已经让谷歌焦急地不得不做点什么。</p><p><strong>Hinton称，科技巨头们正在进行一场可能无法阻止的竞争。</strong></p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/425ca3973d95d0c10cdee98bc20a3dd1\" title=\"\" tg-width=\"948\" tg-height=\"533\"/></p><p>他眼下担心的是，互联网上将充斥着虚假的照片、视频和文本，人们也无法去辨别什么是真实的，什么是虚假的内容。</p><p style=\"text-align: justify;\">他甚至还担心，人工智能技术迟早会颠覆就业市场。</p><p>如今，像ChatGPT这样的聊天机器人往往能很好地辅助人类工作，甚至取代律师助理、私人助理、翻译、以及其他处理死记硬背任务的人。</p><p>未来，他表示自己很担忧，<strong>GPT-4迭代会对人类构成威胁，强AI从大量数据中能够学到意想不到的行为。</strong></p><p>人工智能系统不仅可以生成代码，而且自己运行代码。前段时间爆火的Auto-GPT就是一个非常典型的例子。</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/2e925c3bd920da91f7622c583db84eab\" title=\"\" tg-width=\"1080\" tg-height=\"608\"/></p><p><strong>他担心有一天真正的自主武器ーー那些杀人机器人ーー会成为现实。</strong></p><p>上世纪80年代，Hinton曾是卡内基梅隆大学的计算机科学教授，但因为不愿接受五角大楼的资助，他选择了离开CMU，前往加拿大。<strong>当时，Hinton强烈反对在战场上使用AI，他将其称为「机器人士兵」。</strong></p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/9986cb5fff621512eb94a52e93f05a35\" title=\"\" tg-width=\"500\" tg-height=\"223\"/></p><p>在一些人看来，类似的系统实际上比人类更聪明。Hinton表示自己曾经认为，这太离谱了，最起码要30-50年，甚至更久才能实现。</p><blockquote>而现在，我不再那么想了。</blockquote><p>许多其他专家，包括Hinton的许多学生和同事，说这种威胁还仅是一种假设。</p><p>他指出，<strong>谷歌和微软，以及其他公司之间的竞争，将升级为一场全球性竞赛。如果没有某种全球性的监管，这场竞赛将不会停止！</strong></p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/f5b9918243bf0d197706a8a933bde70e\" title=\"\" tg-width=\"1080\" tg-height=\"608\"/></p><p>但他表示，这也不是绝对的。与核武器不同，我们无法知道哪个公司或国家，是否在秘密研究这项技术。</p><p><strong>三、网友热议：连Hinton都离职了，下一个会是？</strong></p><p>有网友认为，Hinton对于的AI的看法太悲观了。</p><p>我见过的ChatGPT积极应用案例远多于消极的，但现在的趋势是把AI描绘成邪恶的炼金术。这些担忧是合理的，我们会学习，我们会纠正它，然后我们会继续前进。</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/eb1c950cb1d3bd3fdf85946b04751a1d\" title=\"\" tg-width=\"1080\" tg-height=\"207\"/></p><p>甚至有网友将其比为天网，但我们还不能将其关闭。「人工智能就像潘多拉的魔盒一样，一旦打开就无法关闭。」</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/d85d2022d3bf1976b5ea62350ddb9cc5\" title=\"\" tg-width=\"1080\" tg-height=\"214\"/></p><p>还有人对谷歌「负责任」这一观点提出异议：</p><p>-使用Breitbart训练AI模型；-让负面信息在YouTube上大肆传播（反过来又为推荐算法提供依据）；-散布有关安全和隐私的科学假信息；-开除专家</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/dd548ecfde5935ea30d758a285ba2682\" title=\"\" tg-width=\"1080\" tg-height=\"319\"/></p><p>谷歌大脑和DeepMind合并这一事，与此相关吗？</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/63cca6e0da9ca440c1eb7e9a046552be\" title=\"\" tg-width=\"1080\" tg-height=\"126\"/></p><p>还有网友发出疑问，<strong>连Hinton都离职了，下一个会是？</strong></p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/5af0457bde5654978d92bb351c417eb2\" title=\"\" tg-width=\"520\" tg-height=\"144\"/></p><p></p></body></html>","source":"lsy1569730104218","collect":0,"html":"<!DOCTYPE html>\n<html>\n<head>\n<meta http-equiv=\"Content-Type\" content=\"text/html; charset=utf-8\" />\n<meta name=\"viewport\" content=\"width=device-width,initial-scale=1.0,minimum-scale=1.0,maximum-scale=1.0,user-scalable=no\"/>\n<meta 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利用大量数据构建超强AI。Hinton的观点发生了重大转变。他仍然认为这些系统在某些方面不如人类的大脑，但它们在其他方面正在超越人类的智力。GPT-4发布当天，Hinton曾表示，毛虫吸取了营养之后，就会化茧为蝶。而人类提取了数十亿个理解的金块，GPT-4，就是人类的蝴蝶。Hinton称赞的背后，让许多人看到超强人工智能系统的智力已经非同寻常。对此，Hinton谈到人工智能技术时表示，随着科技公司改进人工智能系统，它们变得越来越危险。看看五年前和现在的情况，如果还要继续传播这项技术，后果就太可怕了！在谷歌十年生涯中，Hinton一直看好谷歌在人工智能技术上谨慎的态度。他表示，直到去年，谷歌一直扮演着这项技术的「合适管家」角色，谨小慎微地不去发布可能造成危险的AI。这恰恰解释了，为啥谷歌在这波人工智能浪潮中落后的原因。但是现在，微软为其必应搜索引擎接入GPT-4的能力，已经让谷歌焦急地不得不做点什么。Hinton称，科技巨头们正在进行一场可能无法阻止的竞争。他眼下担心的是，互联网上将充斥着虚假的照片、视频和文本，人们也无法去辨别什么是真实的，什么是虚假的内容。他甚至还担心，人工智能技术迟早会颠覆就业市场。如今，像ChatGPT这样的聊天机器人往往能很好地辅助人类工作，甚至取代律师助理、私人助理、翻译、以及其他处理死记硬背任务的人。未来，他表示自己很担忧，GPT-4迭代会对人类构成威胁，强AI从大量数据中能够学到意想不到的行为。人工智能系统不仅可以生成代码，而且自己运行代码。前段时间爆火的Auto-GPT就是一个非常典型的例子。他担心有一天真正的自主武器ーー那些杀人机器人ーー会成为现实。上世纪80年代，Hinton曾是卡内基梅隆大学的计算机科学教授，但因为不愿接受五角大楼的资助，他选择了离开CMU，前往加拿大。当时，Hinton强烈反对在战场上使用AI，他将其称为「机器人士兵」。在一些人看来，类似的系统实际上比人类更聪明。Hinton表示自己曾经认为，这太离谱了，最起码要30-50年，甚至更久才能实现。而现在，我不再那么想了。许多其他专家，包括Hinton的许多学生和同事，说这种威胁还仅是一种假设。他指出，谷歌和微软，以及其他公司之间的竞争，将升级为一场全球性竞赛。如果没有某种全球性的监管，这场竞赛将不会停止！但他表示，这也不是绝对的。与核武器不同，我们无法知道哪个公司或国家，是否在秘密研究这项技术。三、网友热议：连Hinton都离职了，下一个会是？有网友认为，Hinton对于的AI的看法太悲观了。我见过的ChatGPT积极应用案例远多于消极的，但现在的趋势是把AI描绘成邪恶的炼金术。这些担忧是合理的，我们会学习，我们会纠正它，然后我们会继续前进。甚至有网友将其比为天网，但我们还不能将其关闭。「人工智能就像潘多拉的魔盒一样，一旦打开就无法关闭。」还有人对谷歌「负责任」这一观点提出异议：-使用Breitbart训练AI模型；-让负面信息在YouTube上大肆传播（反过来又为推荐算法提供依据）；-散布有关安全和隐私的科学假信息；-开除专家谷歌大脑和DeepMind合并这一事，与此相关吗？还有网友发出疑问，连Hinton都离职了，下一个会是？","news_type":1},"isVote":1,"tweetType":1,"viewCount":1713,"authorTweetTopStatus":1,"verified":2,"comments":[],"imageCount":0,"langContent":"CN","totalScore":0},{"id":659179169,"gmtCreate":1679914071351,"gmtModify":1679914073557,"author":{"id":"3578200935740881","authorId":"3578200935740881","name":"不花钱不舒服斯基","avatar":"https://static.tigerbbs.com/1a6236793774a9f1f003d04b05e61db7","crmLevel":8,"crmLevelSwitch":0,"followedFlag":false,"authorIdStr":"3578200935740881","idStr":"3578200935740881"},"themes":[],"htmlText":"回复 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