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12-12

$诗思（香港）(CTHR)$没注意手续费

11-16

$纳指100ETF(QQQ)$ 索罗斯为了对付马斯克疯狂做空

10-21

空起来，兄弟们！干它！

2022-10-28

我还以为他去世了

美国众议院议长佩洛西的丈夫在家中遇袭

2020-07-01

$WTI原油主连(CLmain)$ 花旗银行的分析师是孤儿吗？这个打击多方情绪！

2020-06-09

中国没库存了，懂吗?

抱歉，原内容已删除

2020-05-25

$WTI原油主连(CLmain)$ 我求求你砸盘啊，我500手上海燃油2009多单好怕啊，国内一开盘交易就砸，多砸点啊，看你在国际市场有多少钱亏！使劲砸啊！我好怕！[捂脸]

2020-05-25

特朗普:别跟个小可爱一样好吗！

抱歉，原内容已删除

2020-05-12

每次国内要开盘了，你就跌跌不休

2020-05-08

$WTI原油主连(CLmain)$ 都没有人发帖了，说明大多数人亏的差不多了

2020-04-28

别人已经提前告诉你会出现负油价，你还怪别人交易所?人家用枪顶你头上逼你玩的吗？愿赌服输，只能怪中国银行没提醒那些人，还能怪交易所?

中行可考虑起诉芝加哥交易所，要求撤销交易

2020-04-28

$WTI原油2006(CL2006)$油价崩盘之时没有一个多头是无辜的！

2020-04-27

$WTI原油主连(CLmain)$华尔街今晚只要以结算价看住工行就行了，可怜多头了！

2020-04-27

$WTI原油主连(CLmain)$大队长求求你离开原油市场，我们才敢放心买卖[捂脸]

2020-04-27

$WTI原油主连(CLmain)$大队长出手谁敢做空?

2020-04-24

$WTI原油2006(CL2006)$空军应该感谢国内银行，每天送这么多韭菜来杀

2020-04-24

$WTI原油主连(CLmain)$想起中国银行就好笑，不出两年全国所有的经济金融类，期货公司，证券公司的教科书都会有这个案例，中国银行可谓是一战成名！

2020-04-23

$WTI原油主连(CLmain)$世界级空头准备入场做空

2020-04-23

$布油现金2006(BZ2006)$今晚布油走势有点不行啊

2020-04-22

市场上说20号晚上全世界空头逼仓逼的是中国银行的持有的多头头寸，笑死我了，中国银行怎么聪明呢！最后还是大多数中国韭菜为这起世界级空头逼仓买单！中国银行倒了算了，国人的悲哀！抄底的韭菜们上法院告也没有用，中国银行是弱势群体！

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