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带泡沫的苹果
12-12
$香港交易所(00388)$
欧尼给,加油
带泡沫的苹果
12-11
$香港交易所(00388)$
①买就跌,握草
带泡沫的苹果
07-10
美股,确实是和时间做朋友,A股是搞段时间就得跑,有时候今天进明天就得跑,反正挺坑的
带泡沫的苹果
07-10
时间方长点,华尔街那个女人不是说上,2000,3000嘛,每次我想跑的时候就想起了她这句话,这不又是进账200刀
带泡沫的苹果
07-09
笑话,还寄吧还有骨气的说不用别人芯片
“阉割版”AI芯片,能让英伟达在中国挣900亿?
带泡沫的苹果
07-07
我以前喜欢买便宜的,我现在喜欢高价票,包括A股里面也是的
带泡沫的苹果
07-07
英伟达好歹也要摸下200。已经成了生产力了
@萧蝶sally:对不起,我不看好英伟达
带泡沫的苹果
07-05
$特斯拉(TSLA)$
182买的,第二天就卖了,买的mara,涨14个点,后面第二天把mara卖了,追高特斯拉226价格,综合来看还是亏了,因为特斯拉可以融资,MARA不可以,利润上来说亏了
带泡沫的苹果
07-04
这逼以前不是说看到3000的嘛?才涨几天就减持了,搞的成了股票都是这些大资本的游戏是吧[喷血] [捂脸]
“木头姐”旗下ETF于9个月来首次抛售特斯拉股票
带泡沫的苹果
07-03
$特斯拉(TSLA)$
多呀
带泡沫的苹果
06-24
$特斯拉(TSLA)$
唉,反正不懂,就相信华尔街那个疯女人吧,至少别人长的漂亮,而且还很专业,至少比我这个穷**丝要专业吧?全力押注了
带泡沫的苹果
06-21
对,还是留在国外吧,在国内了,又是抄袭的,还说自己伟大
朱啸虎:年底GPT-5达不到预期,英伟达市值就“完蛋了”
带泡沫的苹果
06-07
$黄金主连 2408(GCmain)$
不妙呀,头肩顶形态,不好做了,国际社会变化太快
带泡沫的苹果
05-29
$英伟达(NVDA)$
空军开始行动了嘛
带泡沫的苹果
05-28
$黄铜主连 2407(HGmain)$
华尔街是到底想短期诱多铜好杀呢?还是想趁这个机会利用个人投资者好拉高铜呢,现在还没摸清楚他们的动机,长期看肯定向上,可是这个介入的时机和点在哪呢?这个很重要,要不然就一大批人被收割了,别忘了上次铜创新高,出来长空的,发布空头信息的就是华尔街里面的那一批同行
带泡沫的苹果
05-15
$黄铜主连 2407(HGmain)$
大锅,你是仙人指路,还是到了短期高点呀[捂脸] [笑哭]
带泡沫的苹果
05-14
$黄铜主连 2407(HGmain)$
今天能上5嘛?
带泡沫的苹果
05-02
换香港了
“五月卖出,然后走人”?华尔街齐呼:别信!
带泡沫的苹果
04-24
$Marathon Digital Holdings Inc(MARA)$
会
带泡沫的苹果
04-23
$Marathon Digital Holdings Inc(MARA)$
会
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尽管后者早早被列入禁止对华出售的名单中,但在非官方渠道中,这款芯片的货源基本没有断过,甚至在今年二季度H200开售后,这款芯片的价格还下跌了约10%。</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\"> “无论怎么看,H20的性价比都还是太低。”这位服务器经销商提到,即便是同国内的解决方案相比,H20都难言有多大的竞争优势。</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\"> “阉割版”,但还挺良心的?</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\"> 与同系列芯片不同,H20是一枚“赶工”性质非常明显的产品。</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\"> 在去年10月美国升级芯片禁令后,原本就被视为阉割版芯片的A800/H800,甚至是消费级产品RTX4090都被纳入禁令的管制范围。</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\"> 但仅在一个月后,就有台湾地区媒体报道称,英伟达向代工厂下了H20芯片的订单。</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\"> 在如此短的时间内,英伟达不可能重新设计一款芯片,最大的可能是基于既有型号进行有针对性的调整。</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\"> 比如新规中取消了将“互联带宽”作为限制芯片的识别参数,英伟达就将H20的HBM3显存容量拉高到96Gb,使显存带宽提高到4.0Tb/s;又比如新规新增了“性能密度”的限制,英伟达就向算力规格大砍一刀,使其理论性能仅为296TFLOP,相当于H100芯片的15%。</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\"> 至于那些新规没有提到的,比如PCIe Gen5扩展卡、八路HGX,英伟达全部保留了下来。值得一提的是,H20还有非常高的卡间互联速度,其NV Link带宽达到900Gb/s,很适合组建大规模集群。</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\"> 但这些特征组合在一起,却形成了一个很尴尬的事实:在算力大幅削减的情况下,H20的BOM很可能跟H100齐平,甚至高于后者。</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\"> 原因在于,存储颗粒一直是高性能计算卡成本的“大头”,比如H100芯片中,HBM3颗粒的采购就要占到60%左右,而在H20芯片上,英伟达又不得不为其配备更高规格的显存容量,以弥补算力不足的缺陷。</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\"> 基本可以断定,H20在英伟达高性能计算卡中,属于利润率最低的存在。相较于1.2-1.3万美元的售价,与它同成本的H100目前定价为2.5-3万美元。</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\"> 从这个角度来看,H20算是英伟达的一款良心产品了。</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\"> 英伟达自然不甘心于让一款单品拉低公司整体的毛利表现,但自去年芯片禁令升级后,英伟达四季度在中国大陆的营收,从上一季度的40.3亿降低至19.46亿,其中国区数据中心营收占比也从22%滑落至8%,英伟达急需用一款产品去稳住在中国的市场份额。</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\"> H20就是英伟达拿出的诚意之作,但还是那个问题,H20的算力实在羸弱,这个硬伤无法被忽视。</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\"> 华为或与之一战?</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\"> 实际上,英伟达曾在今年2月进行过一次官方调价,在调价之前H20芯片的价格为2.3万美元,尽管英伟达表示降价的原因是“供货充足”,但如此大幅的价格调整,主要原因大概率还是销量没有达到预期。</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\"> “国内大厂基本不会考虑H20服务器,都是闭眼买H100,而那些体量相对小的厂商也认为有点划不来。”</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\"> 有服务器经销商向笔者算了一笔账,现在H100的服务器单机租赁费用大概是8-9万元/月,而算力仅有前者六分之一的H20服务器价格为120万元上下,即便不考虑算力损耗的问题,厂商也需要购买6台H20服务器,才能与H100服务器相齐平。</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\"> 这样一对比,H20虽然是英伟达利润率最低的产品,但对于客户来说,实在称不上有性价比。</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\"> 而对于英伟达来说,还有一个不可忽视的因素是国内同类型竞品,比如华为昇腾910B。</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\"> 与H20相比,910B在单卡算力(FP16)上几乎相当于前者的一倍。相应地,910B价格也要高于H20,服务器经销商向笔者表示,目前910B的服务器价格已经超过170万元。</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\"> 抛开价格,从实际表现来看,二者的竞争互有胜负手。910B强在算力和能效比上,H20则胜在软件生态与互联上。最直接的例子就是,H20兼容所有的英伟达H系列卡,而且具备极高的访存能力,在搭建算力集群时,能够更好地避免算力损耗。</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\"> 当然,这个集群规模是有上限的,比如各地筹划的“万P计算集群”,如果用H20搭建,那么0.15P单卡运算能力就意味着十万颗级别的GPU,组网难度极大。</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\"> 另外一个值得关注的问题是,英伟达与华为谁能更加稳定地供应产品?</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\"> 此前,就有业内人士向笔者提到过,对于那些急于购买搭建算力中心的厂商来说,H20可能是更现实的选择。</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\"> 一方面,英伟达的软件生态更加成熟,厂商的适配工作量要小得多;另一方面,目前无论是政策还是资本方,都对于算力中心的芯片国产化率有一定要求,910B的需求量非常大,相应地交付周期也比较长。</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\"> 这一说法笔者也在服务器经销商处得到了验证,对方向笔者表示,“在英伟达调价前,行业内客户对于910B的咨询要远大于H20,但现在也有客户对H20展现出了兴趣,因为有充足的现货。”</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\"> 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class=\"title\">\n“阉割版”AI芯片,能让英伟达在中国挣900亿?\n</h2>\n\n<h4 class=\"meta\">\n\n\n<a class=\"head\" href=\"https://laohu8.com/wemedia/101\">\n\n\n<div class=\"h-thumb\" style=\"background-image:url(https://static.tigerbbs.com/98669fe7974e42f3976b3db47528792d);background-size:cover;\"></div>\n\n<div class=\"h-content\">\n<p class=\"h-name\">虎嗅APP </p>\n<p class=\"h-time\">2024-07-08 16:49</p>\n</div>\n\n</a>\n\n\n</h4>\n\n</header>\n<article>\n<html><head></head><body><p>作者 | 丸都山</p><p> 7月8日周一,英伟达“回来了”。盘中股价一度上涨至近三周高点,市值重新站上3.2万亿美元。</p><p></p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/73fc140e5d1820dbea369c3e6613096c\" tg-width=\"560\" tg-height=\"240\"/></p><p> 一枚性能大幅缩水AI芯片,可能会让英伟达在中国挣上900亿。</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\"> 7月5日,咨询机构SemiAnalysis发布报告称,英伟达在今年有望交付100万枚H20 GPU。</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\"> 考虑到这是一枚阉割过,且性价比较低的“对华特供版”芯片,基本可以认定,这100万枚芯片将在今年全部流入中国大陆市场。以目前该型芯片1.2-1.3万美元的渠道定价来看,H20芯片可以为英伟达带来至少120亿美元的收入,已经超过了这家公司去年在华总营收。</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\"> 不过,H20在中国市场的实际情况,可能并没有如咨询机构预估的那般乐观。</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\"> 一位服务器经销商向虎嗅表示,目前一台H20八卡服务器,定价大约在120万元,而性能大幅领先的满配H100 NVLink版本的八卡服务器价格为270万元上下,而且是现货。</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\"> 尽管后者早早被列入禁止对华出售的名单中,但在非官方渠道中,这款芯片的货源基本没有断过,甚至在今年二季度H200开售后,这款芯片的价格还下跌了约10%。</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\"> “无论怎么看,H20的性价比都还是太低。”这位服务器经销商提到,即便是同国内的解决方案相比,H20都难言有多大的竞争优势。</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\"> “阉割版”,但还挺良心的?</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\"> 与同系列芯片不同,H20是一枚“赶工”性质非常明显的产品。</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\"> 在去年10月美国升级芯片禁令后,原本就被视为阉割版芯片的A800/H800,甚至是消费级产品RTX4090都被纳入禁令的管制范围。</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\"> 但仅在一个月后,就有台湾地区媒体报道称,英伟达向代工厂下了H20芯片的订单。</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\"> 在如此短的时间内,英伟达不可能重新设计一款芯片,最大的可能是基于既有型号进行有针对性的调整。</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\"> 比如新规中取消了将“互联带宽”作为限制芯片的识别参数,英伟达就将H20的HBM3显存容量拉高到96Gb,使显存带宽提高到4.0Tb/s;又比如新规新增了“性能密度”的限制,英伟达就向算力规格大砍一刀,使其理论性能仅为296TFLOP,相当于H100芯片的15%。</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\"> 至于那些新规没有提到的,比如PCIe Gen5扩展卡、八路HGX,英伟达全部保留了下来。值得一提的是,H20还有非常高的卡间互联速度,其NV Link带宽达到900Gb/s,很适合组建大规模集群。</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\"> 但这些特征组合在一起,却形成了一个很尴尬的事实:在算力大幅削减的情况下,H20的BOM很可能跟H100齐平,甚至高于后者。</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\"> 原因在于,存储颗粒一直是高性能计算卡成本的“大头”,比如H100芯片中,HBM3颗粒的采购就要占到60%左右,而在H20芯片上,英伟达又不得不为其配备更高规格的显存容量,以弥补算力不足的缺陷。</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\"> 基本可以断定,H20在英伟达高性能计算卡中,属于利润率最低的存在。相较于1.2-1.3万美元的售价,与它同成本的H100目前定价为2.5-3万美元。</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\"> 从这个角度来看,H20算是英伟达的一款良心产品了。</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\"> 英伟达自然不甘心于让一款单品拉低公司整体的毛利表现,但自去年芯片禁令升级后,英伟达四季度在中国大陆的营收,从上一季度的40.3亿降低至19.46亿,其中国区数据中心营收占比也从22%滑落至8%,英伟达急需用一款产品去稳住在中国的市场份额。</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\"> H20就是英伟达拿出的诚意之作,但还是那个问题,H20的算力实在羸弱,这个硬伤无法被忽视。</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\"> 华为或与之一战?</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\"> 实际上,英伟达曾在今年2月进行过一次官方调价,在调价之前H20芯片的价格为2.3万美元,尽管英伟达表示降价的原因是“供货充足”,但如此大幅的价格调整,主要原因大概率还是销量没有达到预期。</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\"> “国内大厂基本不会考虑H20服务器,都是闭眼买H100,而那些体量相对小的厂商也认为有点划不来。”</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\"> 有服务器经销商向笔者算了一笔账,现在H100的服务器单机租赁费用大概是8-9万元/月,而算力仅有前者六分之一的H20服务器价格为120万元上下,即便不考虑算力损耗的问题,厂商也需要购买6台H20服务器,才能与H100服务器相齐平。</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\"> 这样一对比,H20虽然是英伟达利润率最低的产品,但对于客户来说,实在称不上有性价比。</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\"> 而对于英伟达来说,还有一个不可忽视的因素是国内同类型竞品,比如华为昇腾910B。</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\"> 与H20相比,910B在单卡算力(FP16)上几乎相当于前者的一倍。相应地,910B价格也要高于H20,服务器经销商向笔者表示,目前910B的服务器价格已经超过170万元。</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\"> 抛开价格,从实际表现来看,二者的竞争互有胜负手。910B强在算力和能效比上,H20则胜在软件生态与互联上。最直接的例子就是,H20兼容所有的英伟达H系列卡,而且具备极高的访存能力,在搭建算力集群时,能够更好地避免算力损耗。</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\"> 当然,这个集群规模是有上限的,比如各地筹划的“万P计算集群”,如果用H20搭建,那么0.15P单卡运算能力就意味着十万颗级别的GPU,组网难度极大。</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\"> 另外一个值得关注的问题是,英伟达与华为谁能更加稳定地供应产品?</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\"> 此前,就有业内人士向笔者提到过,对于那些急于购买搭建算力中心的厂商来说,H20可能是更现实的选择。</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\"> 一方面,英伟达的软件生态更加成熟,厂商的适配工作量要小得多;另一方面,目前无论是政策还是资本方,都对于算力中心的芯片国产化率有一定要求,910B的需求量非常大,相应地交付周期也比较长。</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\"> 这一说法笔者也在服务器经销商处得到了验证,对方向笔者表示,“在英伟达调价前,行业内客户对于910B的咨询要远大于H20,但现在也有客户对H20展现出了兴趣,因为有充足的现货。”</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\"> 有趣的是,二者可能并不是完全意义上的竞争关系,因为有业内人士向笔者表示,在他所在的公司,910B和H20被归为不同分级,在采购上并不冲突。</p></body></html>\n\n</article>\n</div>\n</body>\n</html>\n","type":0,"thumbnail":"https://static.tigerbbs.com/7308276753c5ff6ceaac8e2cceebffd3","relate_stocks":{"NVDA":"英伟达"},"source_url":"","is_english":false,"share_image_url":"https://static.laohu8.com/e9f99090a1c2ed51c021029395664489","article_id":"1112420806","content_text":"作者 | 丸都山 7月8日周一,英伟达“回来了”。盘中股价一度上涨至近三周高点,市值重新站上3.2万亿美元。 一枚性能大幅缩水AI芯片,可能会让英伟达在中国挣上900亿。 7月5日,咨询机构SemiAnalysis发布报告称,英伟达在今年有望交付100万枚H20 GPU。 考虑到这是一枚阉割过,且性价比较低的“对华特供版”芯片,基本可以认定,这100万枚芯片将在今年全部流入中国大陆市场。以目前该型芯片1.2-1.3万美元的渠道定价来看,H20芯片可以为英伟达带来至少120亿美元的收入,已经超过了这家公司去年在华总营收。 不过,H20在中国市场的实际情况,可能并没有如咨询机构预估的那般乐观。 一位服务器经销商向虎嗅表示,目前一台H20八卡服务器,定价大约在120万元,而性能大幅领先的满配H100 NVLink版本的八卡服务器价格为270万元上下,而且是现货。 尽管后者早早被列入禁止对华出售的名单中,但在非官方渠道中,这款芯片的货源基本没有断过,甚至在今年二季度H200开售后,这款芯片的价格还下跌了约10%。 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朱啸虎:第一,中国企业和中国消费者一样,都要追求性价比。我觉得中国最大问题是程序员太多了,全世界3000万,中国有700万,而且中国700万程序员工作特别努力,工作量都是别人的2-3倍以上。</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\"> 第二,实际上中国软件(29.490, 0.51, 1.76%)企业并不惨,大家就是忽视了汇率。中国的软件行业如果把两三亿人民币的收入,比作两三亿美金的收入,中国软件企业不比美国差的。中国只是因为人力成本便宜,国内生产服务业问题就是汇率。 </p><p style=\"text-align: start;\"> 我认为,AI以后可能还是有机会,因为AI可以帮助企业降本增效再升一个数量级,这个时候客户就非常愿意付钱。我就用AI赋能的软件,可能比传统软件要在中国更有机会点,就像拼多多一样地给消费者创造极致性价比。然后AI软件同样给企业客户创造极致性价比,这个时候客户很愿意付钱。</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\"> 新浪科技:你现在有跟硅谷的团队开AI会议吗?之前有传中国投资人已经不参与会议了?</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\"> 朱啸虎:开会的,但是以前专门有开一个关于AI对中国创新的会,现在我们还是,但更多的是我们和美国人讲,我们在中国的AI应用上有哪些创新。中国现在的一些AI创新,其实要比美国领先的,第一是数据多,第二是很多时候现在AI达不到100%的准确,在很细分领域可能是60%左右,最好可能80%多,剩下的工作基本是需要人工补齐的,但是需要人工补齐这块,中国肯定是有优势的。</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\"> <strong>“年底GPT-5.0达不到预期,英伟达市值就完蛋了”</strong></p><p style=\"text-align: start;\"> 新浪科技:你怎么看英伟达的?他也是AI的底层,现在市值已经全球第一了。</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\"> 朱啸虎:就看Scaling Law(规模法则)有没有效果,如果Scaling Law无效了,它的股价就会跌得一塌糊涂。要看到今年底,OpeanAI能不能发布GPT-5.0,如果是10万-20万张GPU堆算力砸下去,还见不到(GPT)智能能力提升,那英伟达他就完蛋了。</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\"> 当然,黄教主(黄仁勋)确实很会销售,他搞了一个主权AI,想让每个国家都要去买自己的AI芯片。所以他会创造概念去销售,今年的股价应该是能撑得住的,但是如果到年底GPT-5.0还做不出来,大家怀疑,就开始危险了。</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\"> 新浪科技:前两天苹果提出了一个Apple Intelligence,也可以理解为端侧AI,你怎么看这个事情?</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\"> 朱啸虎:苹果的发布会非常有意思,它至少说明两个问题。</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\"> 第一,最重要的是用户体验,而不是技术。你看iPad 新增的那个计算器,你说有啥技术?其实没啥技术,但是用户体验特别好。而且苹果重新定义了入口问题,今天它也可以使用OpenAI的GPT了,但他不给GPT导用户,说明苹果的用户信息不给OpenAI,只统一调接口去访问这个服务就行了,很和谐。</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\"> 第二,苹果可以随时切掉OpenAI的服务。之前谷歌为进入苹果生态,每年给苹果支付100多亿美金,今天苹果和OpenAI双方是免费的,如果谷歌的Gemini追上来了,然后再给苹果支付100亿美金,iPhone肯定也会用。所以,最终还是入口为王,而且苹果自己也在做大模型,如果一直没有GPT-5.0,苹果大模型性能上来后,可能就用自己的GPT了。</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\"> <strong>“大部分被AI取代的人,是因为上班摸鱼太多了”</strong></p><p style=\"text-align: start;\"> 新浪科技:如果给想进入AI领域的投资者提一些建议,你会说什么?</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\"> 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justify;\">为贯彻以投资者为本的监管理念,加强对限售股出借的监管,证监会经充分论证评估,进一步优化了融券机制。具体包括:<strong>一是全面暂停限售股出借</strong>;<strong>二是将转融券市场化约定申报由实时可用调整为次日可用,对融券效率进行限制</strong>。因涉及系统调整等因素,第一项措施自1月29日起实施,第二项措施自3月18日起实施。</p><p style=\"text-align: justify;\">2023年10月,证监会取消上市公司高管及核心员工通过参与战略配售设立的专项资产管理计划出借,并限制其他战略投资者在上市初期的出借方式和比例,新规实施以来,战略投资者出借余额降幅近四成,取得良好效果。</p><p style=\"text-align: justify;\">在总结前期优化融券机制安排经验的基础上,按照“稳妥推进、分步实施”的思路,此次证监会优化融券机制,主要体现以下监管意图:一是突出公平合理,降低融券效率,制约机构在信息、工具运用方面的优势,给各类投资者更充足的时间消化市场信息,营造更加公平的市场秩序。二是突出从严监管,阶段性限制所有限售股出借,进一步加强对限售股融券监管,同时,坚决打击借融券之名行绕道减持、套现之实的违法违规行为。</p><p style=\"text-align: justify;\">下一步,证监会将持续强化监管,把制度的公平性放在更加突出位置,及时总结评估运行效果,依法维护市场秩序,切实保护广大投资者的合法权益。</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/62699620dbc32d88e8cc5bb470737088\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"408\"/></p></blockquote><p style=\"text-align: justify;\">沪深交易所也发布通知称,决定暂停战略投资者在承诺的持有期限内出借获配股票,<strong>本通知实施前尚未了结的出借合约到期不得展期</strong>,<strong>自2024年1月29日起施行</strong>。</p><p style=\"text-align: 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