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While the AI trade has taken it on the chin recently, Goldman Sachs indicated that it still remains confident about the growing market area. “The mega-cap tech stocks have dropped sharply, but their valuations continue to reflect AI optimism despite investor concerns about the likely timing and magnitude of returns on their capital investments,” the investment bank said. Regarding valuations, Goldman went on to spotlight that the P/E ratio of mega-cap tech stocks has now dropped by 15% over the past two months, decreasing from 32x to 27x. Despite this decline, it still remains above the 10-year median of 24x. See the chart below provided by Goldman Sachs:  For investors that are looking to further examine and understand the artificial intelligence trend, they may look towards the below group of exchange-traded funds for additional information:  GX Artificial Intelligence & Tech ETF (NASDAQ:AIQ) GX Robotics & Artificial Intelligence ETF (NASDAQ:BOTZ) ALPS Disruptive Technologies ETF (DTEC) Goldman Sachs Innovate Equity ETF (GINN) iShares Robotics and Artificial Intelligence Multisector ETF (NYSEARCA:IRBO) First Trust Nasdaq Artificial Intelligence and Robotics ETF (NASDAQ:ROBT) iShares U.S. Tech Breakthrough Multisector ETF (TECB) iShares Exponential Technologies ETF (XT) Robo Global Artificial Intelligence ETF (THNQ) Roundhill Generative AI & Technology ETF 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start;\">　　朱啸虎：第一，中国企业和中国消费者一样，都要追求性价比。我觉得中国最大问题是程序员太多了，全世界3000万，中国有700万，而且中国700万程序员工作特别努力，工作量都是别人的2-3倍以上。</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\">　　第二，实际上中国软件(29.490, 0.51, 1.76%)企业并不惨，大家就是忽视了汇率。中国的软件行业如果把两三亿人民币的收入，比作两三亿美金的收入，中国软件企业不比美国差的。中国只是因为人力成本便宜，国内生产服务业问题就是汇率。 </p><p style=\"text-align: start;\">　　我认为，AI以后可能还是有机会，因为AI可以帮助企业降本增效再升一个数量级，这个时候客户就非常愿意付钱。我就用AI赋能的软件，可能比传统软件要在中国更有机会点，就像拼多多一样地给消费者创造极致性价比。然后AI软件同样给企业客户创造极致性价比，这个时候客户很愿意付钱。</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\">　　新浪科技：你现在有跟硅谷的团队开AI会议吗？之前有传中国投资人已经不参与会议了？</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\">　　朱啸虎：开会的，但是以前专门有开一个关于AI对中国创新的会，现在我们还是，但更多的是我们和美国人讲，我们在中国的AI应用上有哪些创新。中国现在的一些AI创新，其实要比美国领先的，第一是数据多，第二是很多时候现在AI达不到100%的准确，在很细分领域可能是60%左右，最好可能80%多，剩下的工作基本是需要人工补齐的，但是需要人工补齐这块，中国肯定是有优势的。</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\">　　<strong>“年底GPT-5.0达不到预期，英伟达市值就完蛋了”</strong></p><p style=\"text-align: start;\">　　新浪科技：你怎么看英伟达的？他也是AI的底层，现在市值已经全球第一了。</p><p style=\"text-align: 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新增的那个计算器，你说有啥技术？其实没啥技术，但是用户体验特别好。而且苹果重新定义了入口问题，今天它也可以使用OpenAI的GPT了，但他不给GPT导用户，说明苹果的用户信息不给OpenAI，只统一调接口去访问这个服务就行了，很和谐。　　第二，苹果可以随时切掉OpenAI的服务。之前谷歌为进入苹果生态，每年给苹果支付100多亿美金，今天苹果和OpenAI双方是免费的，如果谷歌的Gemini追上来了，然后再给苹果支付100亿美金，iPhone肯定也会用。所以，最终还是入口为王，而且苹果自己也在做大模型，如果一直没有GPT-5.0，苹果大模型性能上来后，可能就用自己的GPT了。　　“大部分被AI取代的人，是因为上班摸鱼太多了”　　新浪科技：如果给想进入AI领域的投资者提一些建议，你会说什么？　　朱啸虎：你能不能给你的用户创造一个数量级以上的价值，让你的用户对这样的产品尖叫“哇”，这样的极致效果。　　新浪科技：还会有这样的产品吗？　　朱啸虎：很多，你需要聚焦到一个垂直行业，在这个行业里面生根，真正懂你的客户，知道他们要什么东西。而且知道什么事情是今天AI能做的，或者你加20%的人都能够补齐的。　　新浪科技：对个人有什么建议呢？我们正在经历长周期，而且大家对AI的发展也比较焦虑，它什么都能做！　　朱啸虎：AI肯定不可能100%取代人类，我觉得达到80%已经很了不起了，在很多细分领域，很多大模型还只能达到50%左右。你只要把你工作效率变得很高，你的表现不要比下面一半的人差，就可以了。　　大部分人为什么被取代，完全是因为上班摸鱼太多，没有用智商。","news_type":1},"isVote":1,"tweetType":1,"viewCount":225,"authorTweetTopStatus":1,"verified":2,"comments":[],"imageCount":0,"langContent":"CN","totalScore":0},{"id":205065916137560,"gmtCreate":1691074260624,"gmtModify":1691074261690,"author":{"id":"3451605427407266","authorId":"3451605427407266","name":"iacky","avatar":"https://static.laohu8.com/default-avatar.jpg","crmLevel":9,"crmLevelSwitch":0,"followedFlag":false,"idStr":"3451605427407266","authorIdStr":"3451605427407266"},"themes":[],"htmlText":"<a 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While the AI trade has taken it on the chin recently, Goldman Sachs indicated that it still remains confident about the growing market area. “The mega-cap tech stocks have dropped sharply, but their valuations continue to reflect AI optimism despite investor concerns about the likely timing and magnitude of returns on their capital investments,” the investment bank said. Regarding valuations, Goldman went on to spotlight that the P/E ratio of mega-cap tech stocks has now dropped by 15% over the past two months, decreasing from 32x to 27x. Despite this decline, it still remains above the 10-year median of 24x. See the chart below provided by Goldman Sachs:  For investors that are looking to further examine and understand the artificial intelligence trend, they may look towards the below group of exchange-traded funds for additional information:  GX Artificial Intelligence & Tech ETF (NASDAQ:AIQ) GX Robotics & Artificial Intelligence ETF (NASDAQ:BOTZ) ALPS Disruptive Technologies ETF (DTEC) Goldman Sachs Innovate Equity ETF (GINN) iShares Robotics and Artificial Intelligence Multisector ETF (NYSEARCA:IRBO) First Trust Nasdaq Artificial Intelligence and Robotics ETF (NASDAQ:ROBT) iShares U.S. Tech Breakthrough Multisector ETF (TECB) iShares Exponential Technologies ETF (XT) Robo Global Artificial Intelligence ETF (THNQ) Roundhill Generative AI & Technology ETF 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start;\">　　朱啸虎：第一，中国企业和中国消费者一样，都要追求性价比。我觉得中国最大问题是程序员太多了，全世界3000万，中国有700万，而且中国700万程序员工作特别努力，工作量都是别人的2-3倍以上。</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\">　　第二，实际上中国软件(29.490, 0.51, 1.76%)企业并不惨，大家就是忽视了汇率。中国的软件行业如果把两三亿人民币的收入，比作两三亿美金的收入，中国软件企业不比美国差的。中国只是因为人力成本便宜，国内生产服务业问题就是汇率。 </p><p style=\"text-align: start;\">　　我认为，AI以后可能还是有机会，因为AI可以帮助企业降本增效再升一个数量级，这个时候客户就非常愿意付钱。我就用AI赋能的软件，可能比传统软件要在中国更有机会点，就像拼多多一样地给消费者创造极致性价比。然后AI软件同样给企业客户创造极致性价比，这个时候客户很愿意付钱。</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\">　　新浪科技：你现在有跟硅谷的团队开AI会议吗？之前有传中国投资人已经不参与会议了？</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\">　　朱啸虎：开会的，但是以前专门有开一个关于AI对中国创新的会，现在我们还是，但更多的是我们和美国人讲，我们在中国的AI应用上有哪些创新。中国现在的一些AI创新，其实要比美国领先的，第一是数据多，第二是很多时候现在AI达不到100%的准确，在很细分领域可能是60%左右，最好可能80%多，剩下的工作基本是需要人工补齐的，但是需要人工补齐这块，中国肯定是有优势的。</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\">　　<strong>“年底GPT-5.0达不到预期，英伟达市值就完蛋了”</strong></p><p style=\"text-align: start;\">　　新浪科技：你怎么看英伟达的？他也是AI的底层，现在市值已经全球第一了。</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\">　　朱啸虎：就看Scaling Law（规模法则）有没有效果，如果Scaling Law无效了，它的股价就会跌得一塌糊涂。要看到今年底，OpeanAI能不能发布GPT-5.0，如果是10万-20万张GPU堆算力砸下去，还见不到（GPT）智能能力提升，那英伟达他就完蛋了。</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\">　　当然，黄教主（黄仁勋）确实很会销售，他搞了一个主权AI，想让每个国家都要去买自己的AI芯片。所以他会创造概念去销售，今年的股价应该是能撑得住的，但是如果到年底GPT-5.0还做不出来，大家怀疑，就开始危险了。</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\">　　新浪科技：前两天苹果提出了一个Apple Intelligence，也可以理解为端侧AI，你怎么看这个事情？</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\">　　朱啸虎：苹果的发布会非常有意思，它至少说明两个问题。</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\">　　第一，最重要的是用户体验，而不是技术。你看iPad 新增的那个计算器，你说有啥技术？其实没啥技术，但是用户体验特别好。而且苹果重新定义了入口问题，今天它也可以使用OpenAI的GPT了，但他不给GPT导用户，说明苹果的用户信息不给OpenAI，只统一调接口去访问这个服务就行了，很和谐。</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\">　　第二，苹果可以随时切掉OpenAI的服务。之前谷歌为进入苹果生态，每年给苹果支付100多亿美金，今天苹果和OpenAI双方是免费的，如果谷歌的Gemini追上来了，然后再给苹果支付100亿美金，iPhone肯定也会用。所以，最终还是入口为王，而且苹果自己也在做大模型，如果一直没有GPT-5.0，苹果大模型性能上来后，可能就用自己的GPT了。</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\">　　<strong>“大部分被AI取代的人，是因为上班摸鱼太多了”</strong></p><p style=\"text-align: start;\">　　新浪科技：如果给想进入AI领域的投资者提一些建议，你会说什么？</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\">　　朱啸虎：你能不能给你的用户创造一个数量级以上的价值，让你的用户对这样的产品尖叫“哇”，这样的极致效果。</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\">　　新浪科技：还会有这样的产品吗？</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\">　　朱啸虎：很多，你需要聚焦到一个垂直行业，在这个行业里面生根，真正懂你的客户，知道他们要什么东西。而且知道什么事情是今天AI能做的，或者你加20%的人都能够补齐的。</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\">　　新浪科技：对个人有什么建议呢？我们正在经历长周期，而且大家对AI的发展也比较焦虑，它什么都能做！</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\">　　朱啸虎：AI肯定不可能100%取代人类，我觉得达到80%已经很了不起了，在很多细分领域，很多大模型还只能达到50%左右。你只要把你工作效率变得很高，你的表现不要比下面一半的人差，就可以了。</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\">　　大部分人为什么被取代，完全是因为上班摸鱼太多，没有用智商。</p></body></html>","source":"sina_tech","collect":0,"html":"<!DOCTYPE html>\n<html>\n<head>\n<meta http-equiv=\"Content-Type\" content=\"text/html; charset=utf-8\" />\n<meta name=\"viewport\" content=\"width=device-width,initial-scale=1.0,minimum-scale=1.0,maximum-scale=1.0,user-scalable=no\"/>\n<meta name=\"format-detection\" content=\"telephone=no,email=no,address=no\" />\n<title>朱啸虎：年底GPT-5达不到预期，英伟达市值就“完蛋了”</title>\n<style 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