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大摩：AI基建才刚开始，英伟达不是思科，远没到1999年

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2000年网络泡沫期间，思科的收入增长率达到了59%，而其前瞻市盈率高达138倍。如今的英伟达市盈率仅为30倍，但其收入增长率却达到了90%。英伟达周五大跌似乎验证了“思科时刻”的到来。但摩根士丹利认为，无论是从两者所处的科技环境、自身实力和估值上看，英伟达都不是当年的思科。摩根士丹利Shawn Kim分析师团队本周发布报告，对比了互联网泡沫与当前的AI热潮，强调当前AI基础设施投资热潮仅仅处于...

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Mediator
·03-10
2000的互联网基建和2023的AI基建不具备可比性，互联网企业在初期就能够实现成本的快速覆盖和盈利，AI企业在初期甚至中期都无法实现盈利，最成功的openai也仅仅勉强能够覆盖上一期的成本，下一期成倍数增长的成本都很有可能无法覆盖，这样情况下的硬件需求快速增长本身就是不可持续的
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100芯片包含35000个组件，重量达35公斤，英伟达凭借长期的积累，在该领域拥有较为宽阔的技术“护城河”。因此，尽管越来越多同行“下海”自主研发AI芯片，英伟达算力“一哥”的地位在很长一段时间内不会被动摇。即使从估值角度来看，英伟达股价也很可能未见顶。摩根大通在报告中写道：回顾2000年网络泡沫期间的代表性公司思科，其当时的收入增长率达到了59%，而其前瞻市盈率高达138倍。相比之下，如今的英伟达市盈率仅为30倍，但其收入增长率却达到了90%。因此，无论从估值的角度还是从长远看，我们都不能认为当前（英伟达）已接近市场的顶峰。大摩认为，AI基础设施的初期投资巨大，但长期来看，其带来的应用层价值可能远超成本。超大规模公司在AI领域的投资将要求相应的回报率，这将推动AI云服务的盈利增长。","kind":null,"is_publish_news":true,"is_publish_highlight":true,"is_publish_live":false,"is_publish_wemedia":null,"editions":null,"column":"","sentiment":"0","news_tag":"","news_rank":0,"symbols":[],"gpt_button":0},"commentList":[{"id":282746172555304,"gmtCreate":1710058317301,"gmtModify":1710058319794,"author":{"id":"3498680662745699","authorId":"3498680662745699","name":"Mediator","avatar":"https://static.tigerbbs.com/ccbee84d06c97c8ea354bff2e5c20b6d","vip":1,"hat":"https://static.tigerbbs.com/e1c01e958f63198f5d9648b59135f687","crmLevel":1,"crmLevelSwitch":1,"idStr":"3498680662745699","authorIdStr":"3498680662745699"},"htmlText":"2000的互联网基建和2023的AI基建不具备可比性，互联网企业在初期就能够实现成本的快速覆盖和盈利，AI企业在初期甚至中期都无法实现盈利，最成功的openai也仅仅勉强能够覆盖上一期的成本，下一期成倍数增长的成本都很有可能无法覆盖，这样情况下的硬件需求快速增长本身就是不可持续的","listText":"2000的互联网基建和2023的AI基建不具备可比性，互联网企业在初期就能够实现成本的快速覆盖和盈利，AI企业在初期甚至中期都无法实现盈利，最成功的openai也仅仅勉强能够覆盖上一期的成本，下一期成倍数增长的成本都很有可能无法覆盖，这样情况下的硬件需求快速增长本身就是不可持续的","text":"2000的互联网基建和2023的AI基建不具备可比性，互联网企业在初期就能够实现成本的快速覆盖和盈利，AI企业在初期甚至中期都无法实现盈利，最成功的openai也仅仅勉强能够覆盖上一期的成本，下一期成倍数增长的成本都很有可能无法覆盖，这样情况下的硬件需求快速增长本身就是不可持续的","images":[],"top":1,"highlighted":1,"essential":1,"paper":1,"likeSize":2,"commentSize":0,"repostSize":0,"link":"https://laohu8.com/post/282746172555304","repostId":2418075892,"repostType":2,"repost":{"id":"2418075892","pubTimestamp":1710029468,"share":"https://www.laohu8.com/m/news/2418075892?lang=&edition=full","pubTime":"2024-03-10 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Kim分析师团队本周发布报告，对比了互联网泡沫与当前的AI热潮，强调当前AI基础设施投资热潮仅仅处于初期阶段，尚未达到互联网1999年的泡沫水平。AI基础设施建设仅仅是一个开始。 每个超大规模企业都在构建基础设施，以便尝试在该基础设施之上构建应用程序、工具和服务。今天，正在进行的AI数据中心加速计算建设只是第一阶段，但这只是构建所有AI应用程序的支柱，增加了一个颠覆性的技术层（大型语言模型），成本更低，上市更快。互联网泡沫从1994年12月开始，到2000年3月达到顶峰，期间经历了多次回调。英伟达首次上调销售预期是在2022年5月，Chat GPT在2022年11月才被广泛讨论。从时间上看，我们尚未达到1999年的泡沫水平。尤其是，GPU投资才刚刚起步，大摩认为，AI供应链的投资增长将会对其产生乘数效应：每100美元的云资本支出将转化为30-40美元的AI收入，这意味着在GPU上的投资将成倍增加。除了GPU之外，AI供应链的增长还将为HBM、定制芯片设计、制造和测试等领域带来机遇。另外，考虑到GPU开发技术复杂，如一块Grace Hopper 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