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朱啸虎：年底GPT-5达不到预期，英伟达市值就“完蛋了”

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文丨周文猛　　在中国创投行业，“周期论”一直是被高频提及的话题。　　近日，金沙江创投主管合伙人朱啸虎表示，“当前，中国正在进入一个以10年为单位的长周期中，而在以前，周期的单位是2~3年。”　　朱啸虎指出，在周期变长的情况下，生成式AI、PC/移动互联网以及平价消费等领域，仍会出现新的机会点。而对于中国企业和中国消费者而言，都要追求性价比，“就像拼多多一样地给消费者创造极致性价比”。　　此外，他还...

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没有人比我更懂韭菜
·06-22
对对又遥遥领先了
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天空使者
·06-22
一个搞互联网的就不要出来凑热闹了
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iacky
·06-22
吹牛逼不上税
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PUPPY的马甲
·06-21
GPT5没亮点还会有其他家的应用，买锤子的永远不会败，最大的风险是在于追赶的竞争者而不是OpenAI
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- 阿宝1230:
  很多细分领域都有ai应用啊医疗方面的特斯拉的fsd 还有adobe
  06-22
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- 求美股稳定一点:
  你举个例呗看看处理gpt 还有什么应用
  06-22
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老刘_2177
·06-21
[微笑]
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老刘_2177
·06-21
自己国家股票都自己国家股票都弄不清楚还好意思评论英伟达
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谋远
·06-21
段子手
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大胖狗
·06-21
gpt5更多应该只是人工智能应用层面的吧。
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DKforce
·06-21
人工智能哪怕只是部分功能机器人得以应用，都是解放低级劳动力的巨大提升。说第三次工业革命一点也不为过。所以哪怕最低限度的范围开发人工智能都是人类眼前最大的机会。（大饼能不能摊出来还得有人先画，可能几年也可能几百年）
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大飛哥
·06-21
要点脸吧，大佬别fp
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猛逃
·06-21
又一个谣谣领先的货[捂嘴]
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胡海阳懂物流更懂金融
·06-21
您的意思是英伟达转趋势了？
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带泡沫的苹果
·06-21
对，还是留在国外吧，在国内了，又是抄袭的，还说自己伟大
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YolandaQueen
·06-21
很明显这些观点还是基于传统软件思维以及互联网思维，没有真正理解什么叫智能，也没有真正的感受它的潜力。这也正常，现在的分歧就是以后的机会
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今晚就吃肉
·06-21
没事他可以做英伟达贷款
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