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Ryan901
06-12
$QUANTUMPH-P(晶泰科技)(02228)$
这么点涨幅?等明天开盘再定夺
Ryan901
2023-12-11
$燕之屋(01497)$
打新盈利,稳赚10[得意]
Ryan901
2022-05-06
$纳指三倍做空ETF(SQQQ)$
SQQQ预计3-6月涨到80,立贴为证[得意]
Ryan901
2021-06-02
$兆科眼科-B(06622)$
目标15[得意]
Ryan901
2021-02-25
$Wayfair(W)$
盘前跌到229,开盘冲到298,庄家啥意思啊[捂脸]
Ryan901
2020-11-17
$Wayfair(W)$
回落到200的可能性不大,马上黑五和圣诞了
Ryan901
2020-11-17
$拼多多(PDD)$
调整一下,会去冲击200吧
Ryan901
2020-09-04
$Wayfair(W)$
这波估计要跌到220-230
Ryan901
2020-06-17
$京东集团-SW(09618)$
竞猜明天最多涨到多少
Ryan901
2020-06-16
$Wayfair(W)$
这次的高点是昨天的202还是有可能225?我想想听听大家的见解
Ryan901
2020-06-16
太少了吧
特朗普考虑1万亿美元的基建计划以刺激经济
Ryan901
2020-06-16
可以空他了
跟谁学逆市拉升,快速涨超12%
Ryan901
2020-05-22
空它
我是一根特斯拉韭菜
Ryan901
2020-05-21
那你空特斯拉吧
特斯拉只是一个笑话
Ryan901
2020-05-21
美联储放水是重要推手
华尔街不看好美股反弹!美联储、财政部释放矛盾信号
Ryan901
2020-05-20
你为啥还做多?
抱歉,原内容已删除
Ryan901
2020-05-19
$Overstock.com(OSTK)$
为啥不能做空呢?
Ryan901
2020-05-17
$Wayfair(W)$
Wayfair 现在算破位,趋势向下了吗?
Ryan901
2020-05-15
$波音(BA)$
一直在研究波音什么时候开始建仓,A.120以下 B 100以下 C 80以下 D 60左右,欢迎表达不同观点
Ryan901
2020-05-08
$Wayfair(W)$
Wayfair 180坚决1/2仓做空,如果上200继续加仓
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href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/GSX\">跟谁学</a>盘初快速逆市拉升,涨幅超12%。</p><p><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/ecafb6527854bffc7c978a22e501f9f8\" tg-width=\"840\" tg-height=\"470\"></p><p><span>跟谁学是一家成立于2014年以K12(一年级-高三阶段)在线教育为主营业务的公司,2019年6月登陆美国纽交所,成为中国第一家在美上市的K12在线教育机构。</span></p><p><span>过去的3个多月,这家在线教育企业连续遭遇灰熊(GrizzlyResarch)、香橼(CitronResearch)、浑水、天蝎创投——4家机构的9次沽空,指责其涉及虚增收入、用户数量真实性存疑等问题。此前,这家公司在业内并没有引起太多关注。“增长快、利润高”,被视为引发做空机构关注的主要因素。</span></p><p><span>浑水方面表示,“我们是从今年1月份开始调查跟谁学,它好得令人难以置信——增长非常快,利润也高。而据我们的印象,它比起<a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/TAL\">好未来</a>和<a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/EDU\">新东方</a>的市场份额,与其所提供的数值是有差别的。”</span></p><p><span>浑水创始人卡森·布洛克称:“我们的兴趣是做空欺诈性质的公司,尤其是当他们接近完全诈欺或者是完全诈欺的时候。至于跟谁学,它不只是接近完全诈欺,它还有巨大的市场价值,所以从商业角度来说这是一次很棒的沽空。”</span></p><p><span>面对9份做空报告,跟谁学方面予以了否定和批驳。</span></p><p><span>针对做空机构香橼质疑其虚增收入70%,跟谁学方面认为,香橼遗忘了K12课外辅导收入的主要来源为跟谁学旗下品牌高途课堂等,在浑水二次报告中提出的跟谁学在回应<a 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12:50","market":"us","language":"zh","title":"我是一根特斯拉韭菜","url":"https://stock-news.laohu8.com/highlight/detail?id=1149246646","media":"首席人物观 ","summary":"同事说,我是一根韭菜,一根$特斯拉$洋韭菜。我是一名特斯拉车主,还是一名特斯拉股民,甚至还是马斯克的迷弟,这三重身份的加持,让我头上那抹绿,绿得璀璨,绿得耀眼,绿得发光。后来我才知道,这可能是那段时间全国特斯拉销售们的统一话术,意思都差不多,只是具体版本略有偏差。21天后,也就是4月10日,特斯拉公布了新车消息。","content":"<p>同事说,我是一根韭菜,一根<a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/TSLA\">特斯拉</a>洋韭菜。</p><p>我是一名特斯拉车主,还是一名特斯拉股民,甚至还是马斯克的迷弟,这三重身份的加持,让我头上那抹绿,绿得璀璨,绿得耀眼,绿得发光。</p><p>01</p><p>我永远忘不了,今年春天的那个午后,历时3年,我终于摇到了一张在黑市上价值10w+的新能源车牌,当天下班,我就迅速拉着媳妇去侨福芳草地看车。</p><p>首选当然是特斯拉。</p><p>考虑到特斯拉的技术更新换代很快,我特意问了销售最近是否会推出新款车,销售说“新款车时间未定,要是着急用车,没必要等”。</p><p>后来我才知道,这可能是那段时间全国特斯拉销售们的统一话术,意思都差不多,只是具体版本略有偏差。有的销售说:“新车型要等一年”,有的说:“新车型要40多万,差价比较多”。</p><p>我也听进去了。车牌有效期只有半年,过期就作废,我似乎的确没什么等待的必要。</p><p>而在同等价位里,特斯拉这个品牌,还代表品味,科技感和生活态度。总之,就是情怀。</p><p>当然,作为理工科直男,我有自己的打算。</p><p>首先,跟着大佬走,应该不会太错。几年之前,特斯拉刚进入中国的时候,首批车主就有像小米雷军、<a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/SINA\">新浪</a>曹国伟这样的大佬们,现在理想汽车的CEO李想,也是特斯拉的第一批用户。</p><p>其次,看技术。虽然特斯拉目前产能还比较短缺,但它家的电池和技术是行业内最好的。这样看,特斯拉就是硬通货啊,而且,未来就算我换车了,也能保值。</p><p>不过,我后台把这套分析讲给我的同事听,她直接甩了我一个大白眼:</p><blockquote>“你们特斯拉车主脑回路就是不一样,第一次听说买车还能保值的。”</blockquote><p>但我相信,所有牛掰的改变时代的产品,都要经历不被人理解的阶段。那天下午,站在北京代表着品味与昂贵的商场里,灯光投射在钢琴般的车身上,空气里香薰的气味变得温暖,我晕眩了:开始幻想自己是如风飞驰的少年,4秒破百的加速度,让我分分钟变身《速度与激情》里的男主范迪塞尔。</p><p>试驾后,我当场交了2万元定金,定下了Model3标航版——后来想想,可能因为当时腿上的血都涌到脑子里了。</p><p>之后的每天,我像老婆查快递一样检查交付进度,虽然我知道,说好的今年2季度才交付的事实,不会以我的查看频率为转移。万万没想到,3月10日,我接到销售的电话,催我付全款以便提前交车。</p><p>原以为疫情原因会延迟提车,没想到还能提前交付,一时间,我甚至以为自己是老天眷顾的幸运鹅。后来想想,这正是韭菜综合症的典型表现之一:</p><p>总以为自己是最特别的那一个。</p><p>02</p><p>3月20日,新车到了。</p><p>对了,提车还有一段故事。</p><p>作为前油车车主,提车是很有仪式感的一件事,我在老家提车的时候,又是鲜花又是放鞭录像啥的。当天,我特意穿了一件平时不怎么穿的西服,也没有打车,因为我想,估计以后坐公共交通的机会也不太多了,趁机好好体验一把吧。</p><p>于是,我一个人又是地铁又是三蹦子,终于到达东南五环外的亦庄特斯拉交付中心。</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/0f65edb40b261d6b12c9d55bbd757023\" tg-width=\"1080\" tg-height=\"720\"><span>图:特斯拉亦庄交付中心</span></p><p>等待我的,是一个看起来像大学生的小伙子,问了一下,叫小林,果然是大学生。他不是特斯拉工作人员,只是特斯拉招聘的志愿者,当然了,也是一个车主。</p><p>我心里暗想:这得啥品牌影响力啊。</p><p>很快,小林从销售手里接过一个略显破烂的塑封口袋,后来我才知道,里面装着我的 “车钥匙”。我俩先围着车绕了一圈,接着,大学生小林坐上主驾,我坐在副驾,附近跑了一圈,就算是完成交车了。</p><p>我抽了一大口烟, 抬头望着这片大停车场,北京郊区的天空看起来是要比市区蓝一些。我并不着急回去,开始和小林攀谈起来,此时,又来了一个提车的车主,看了几眼就准备上车走了。</p><p>小林好心提醒他,“哥,你看你的车内饰凹槽都对不上,车屁股还有点缺漆,要不要去找找他们啊?”那位大哥显得很淡定,摆摆手,“没事没事,有准备了,就是买来玩玩。”一脚油门走了。</p><p>小林把我俩拉进了一个北京特斯拉车友群。</p><p>返程的路很堵,根本无法体验速度的快感,我坐在车里,西服有些紧绷,勒得我有点像个刚上岗的专车司机。这时我才反应过来,好像根本没人给我拍照。</p><p>21天后,也就是4月10日,特斯拉公布了新车消息。Model3 长续航版里程增加223公里,价格只比标航版贵4万元。</p><p>我有点后悔了,但我不好意思说。</p><p>03</p><p>在我的印象里,特斯拉的订购流程为:</p><p>1、顾客下单。</p><p>2、工厂制作。</p><p>3、送货提货。</p><p>从下单到收货,这一套流程走完,大概需要等待3个月左右。疫情期间,工厂复工又受到影响,如果是马斯克临时拍脑门决定的生产新版国产Model3,绝对不可能那么快——仅仅21天,新款车就从销售嘴里的“不确定”,变成了铁板定钉的事实。</p><p>对了,此前,可能是为了稳固进口特斯拉车主的军心,马斯克曾经坚决表示,国产特斯拉绝对没有长续航版。</p><p>从毫无消息到迅速推出新车,这显然是一场蓄谋已久的“割韭菜”行动。</p><p>微信群里,大量原本应该2季度交车的Model3标航版车主,被催促提前提车,有的甚至等待20多天就收到车,大家一致认为,自己被特斯拉“割韭菜去库存了”。</p><p>但是,这事并没有掀起太多的波澜,毕竟你不能因为菜店新推出了口感更好、颜值更高、性价比更优的韭菜,就责怪菜店老板没有提前通知你,只能认了。</p><p>这事吧,我不敢多想。</p><p>对于特斯拉车主来说,永远不知道明天和降价哪个先来。</p><p>5月1日早上,特斯拉再次拿Model 3车主开刀了,为了蹭上新能源补贴,Model 3标准续航升级版价格由30.355万元下调至27.155万元,降价幅度达10%。</p><p>而进口车主更惨,进口后驱长续航版的价格为42.1万元,该版本在2019年8月18日正式停售。8个月后的2020年4月,特斯拉宣布推出国产版Model 3后驱长续航版。</p><p>嗯,也就是说,不到一年,进口版Model 3车主人均损失15万左右。</p><p>群里炸了,有车主提议去维权,响应者不多,这时群主站出来表示:大家不要站在道德制高点去要挟企业。</p><p>一阵沉默,这事就这样悄然结束了。</p><p>我安慰自己,早买早享受嘛。至少,与那些购买了Model 3芯片、实际提车时却为HW2.5的车主,我也是够幸运的了。不要太去计较得失,做人最重要的就是开心嘛 。</p><p>新闻里说的没错,果然,特斯拉车主是全世界最好说话的那群人。</p><p>这大概是韭菜的第二个特征:特别会自我疗愈。</p><p>不过,那天晚上,我躺在床上,脑子里迅速过了一笔账:以国产 Model 3 为例,距离第一次价格公布到现在,不到短短一年,共调整价格10次,降价7次,入门价格降低近一半。看来,以后买特斯拉要看k线了,价格分时波动。</p><p>我还是失眠了。</p><p>04</p><p>最近一直忙得颠三倒四,今天出门时显示只剩120公里左右的电量,但我要赶着去大兴机场接我妈妈,只能硬着头皮出门了。</p><p>接上我妈,电池显示只剩50公里,我需要迅速找一个地方充电,附近有一个快充,但全满。于是,我只能再去寻找别的充电桩。最后绕来绕去,找到一个封闭小区,我再三央求,出示了健康码,保安还是要去请示一下领导,而此时车内电量显示,只有1公里可开,我都在怀疑,当街推车的戏码要在我身上上演了。</p><p>我做了个决定,趁保安去请示领导,偷偷溜进小区去。</p><p>但只充了一会,我就赶紧离开了,毕竟偷偷摸摸的行为让我心里没谱。没想到,我堂堂正正做人三十多年,却像个贼一样的罔顾规则溜进别人的私密空间,只为了给我的车充一会电。</p><p><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/a1a62794e1642c90a2e03b4a4bfa35e4\" tg-width=\"1080\" tg-height=\"675\"></p><p>还好,靠着偷充的电,我支撑到了下一个充电站。在还没开到充电站时,我远远就看到那把充电枪,在黑夜里亮得晃眼,仿佛就是在等待着我的到来。</p><p>那晚,简直是一出特斯拉车主充电历险记。</p><p>我妈没有抱怨什么,但我不敢想象我爸在现场将会发生什么,他可能也无法想象,我居然花30多万买了这么个“电动爹”。</p><p>但是我依然比有些车主好得多,那些家里没有充电桩的车主,他们每天上床前想得都是:</p><p>1、明天续航不够用该怎么办?</p><p>2、我是今晚爬起来给他充了?</p><p>3、还是明天早起挤出时间再说?</p><p>最终精神的折磨必须战胜肉体的倦殆,无论刮风下雨都要提上裤子出发去充电。</p><p>而和有些国产新能源车车主遇到的问题相比:大灯黄、屏幕黄、天窗漏水、轮胎偏磨、异响故障、方向盘掉落、自燃自爆等,我更是不知道好出了几个<a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/002594\">比亚迪</a>。</p><p>韭菜的第三个特征:善于比惨。</p><p>05</p><p>我决定,把自己买特斯拉上亏的钱,通过股票悉数赚回来。</p><p>因为早看中了这个标的,去年12月20号我以405美元买入特斯拉,3个月过去,我的卖出价格是399美元。而这三个月里,特斯拉股票最高到过969美元。感觉是坐了个过山车。</p><p>曾经,有一份盈利摆在了我的面前,我太不满足了,如果再给我一次机会,我会说:赚一分我也卖!</p><p>但我仍不会放弃,我是一个老股民,我有着一套自己买股的逻辑。</p><p>特斯拉自在上海建厂以来,不仅得到了政府层面的大力支持,成为最大的外资工厂,还得到免息借款50亿的优待,这显然是马斯克的政府公关做得优秀,反观国内造车势力,自去年补贴降低以来,新能源车销量持续走低,比亚迪降薪,众泰欠薪,海马汽车卖房,青年汽车破产,好一个“惨”字。</p><p>历史告诉我,靠补贴薅社会主义羊毛的投机份子终会淡出舞台,特斯拉“新能源一哥”的地位也会逐渐稳固。</p><p>Model 3今天的售价是27w左右,这还没完,预计到2020年底,Model 3的国产化率将达100%,届时Model 3的成本将低至不可描述。如果Musk真的不留情面,卯起来打价格战,那恐怕要有一众国内厂商自挂东南枝。</p><p>业绩好,股价自然也会好。我炒股只有一个坚持,只抄龙头。</p><p>于是,我在4月30日又入了特斯拉。当晚特斯拉公布了2020年Q1财报,结果出人意料的好。盘上反应更是激烈,一时间大涨10%。</p><p>万万没想到,马斯克又出来作妖了。第二天,他发了一条美国版<a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/WB\">微博</a>,称特斯拉股价太高了。</p><p>结果呢,当天收盘时,特斯拉股价大跌逾10%,一夜蒸发超过140亿美元,折合1000亿人民币左右。</p><p>马斯克大概是中外企业家里求锤得锤第一人。</p><p>我的股票也一夜回到解放前。但我还是默默继续持有它。不是因为它好,而是因为能选择的太少,我总不能去买中概股吧?</p><p>但是,如果身边有朋友要买车,我还是会无条件推荐特斯拉。</p><p>你以为我是收了特斯拉的黑钱吗?</p><p>不,我是买了它家股票。</p><p>而我知道,这世界什么都缺,最不缺的就是韭菜。</p><p>引用<a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/BIDU\">百度</a>百科的解释,韭菜,适应性强,抗寒耐热峮,容易栽培;而且韭菜的好处是,可以多次收割。</p><p>毕竟,我现在是价值投资的坚定捍卫者,还请巴菲特老爷子保佑我这个后浪,让我们共同见证奇迹的发生。</p>","source":"lsy1569826686102","collect":0,"html":"<!DOCTYPE html>\n<html>\n<head>\n<meta http-equiv=\"Content-Type\" content=\"text/html; charset=utf-8\" />\n<meta name=\"viewport\" content=\"width=device-width,initial-scale=1.0,minimum-scale=1.0,maximum-scale=1.0,user-scalable=no\"/>\n<meta name=\"format-detection\" 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“车钥匙”。我俩先围着车绕了一圈,接着,大学生小林坐上主驾,我坐在副驾,附近跑了一圈,就算是完成交车了。我抽了一大口烟, 抬头望着这片大停车场,北京郊区的天空看起来是要比市区蓝一些。我并不着急回去,开始和小林攀谈起来,此时,又来了一个提车的车主,看了几眼就准备上车走了。小林好心提醒他,“哥,你看你的车内饰凹槽都对不上,车屁股还有点缺漆,要不要去找找他们啊?”那位大哥显得很淡定,摆摆手,“没事没事,有准备了,就是买来玩玩。”一脚油门走了。小林把我俩拉进了一个北京特斯拉车友群。返程的路很堵,根本无法体验速度的快感,我坐在车里,西服有些紧绷,勒得我有点像个刚上岗的专车司机。这时我才反应过来,好像根本没人给我拍照。21天后,也就是4月10日,特斯拉公布了新车消息。Model3 长续航版里程增加223公里,价格只比标航版贵4万元。我有点后悔了,但我不好意思说。03在我的印象里,特斯拉的订购流程为:1、顾客下单。2、工厂制作。3、送货提货。从下单到收货,这一套流程走完,大概需要等待3个月左右。疫情期间,工厂复工又受到影响,如果是马斯克临时拍脑门决定的生产新版国产Model3,绝对不可能那么快——仅仅21天,新款车就从销售嘴里的“不确定”,变成了铁板定钉的事实。对了,此前,可能是为了稳固进口特斯拉车主的军心,马斯克曾经坚决表示,国产特斯拉绝对没有长续航版。从毫无消息到迅速推出新车,这显然是一场蓄谋已久的“割韭菜”行动。微信群里,大量原本应该2季度交车的Model3标航版车主,被催促提前提车,有的甚至等待20多天就收到车,大家一致认为,自己被特斯拉“割韭菜去库存了”。但是,这事并没有掀起太多的波澜,毕竟你不能因为菜店新推出了口感更好、颜值更高、性价比更优的韭菜,就责怪菜店老板没有提前通知你,只能认了。这事吧,我不敢多想。对于特斯拉车主来说,永远不知道明天和降价哪个先来。5月1日早上,特斯拉再次拿Model 3车主开刀了,为了蹭上新能源补贴,Model 3标准续航升级版价格由30.355万元下调至27.155万元,降价幅度达10%。而进口车主更惨,进口后驱长续航版的价格为42.1万元,该版本在2019年8月18日正式停售。8个月后的2020年4月,特斯拉宣布推出国产版Model 3后驱长续航版。嗯,也就是说,不到一年,进口版Model 3车主人均损失15万左右。群里炸了,有车主提议去维权,响应者不多,这时群主站出来表示:大家不要站在道德制高点去要挟企业。一阵沉默,这事就这样悄然结束了。我安慰自己,早买早享受嘛。至少,与那些购买了Model 3芯片、实际提车时却为HW2.5的车主,我也是够幸运的了。不要太去计较得失,做人最重要的就是开心嘛 。新闻里说的没错,果然,特斯拉车主是全世界最好说话的那群人。这大概是韭菜的第二个特征:特别会自我疗愈。不过,那天晚上,我躺在床上,脑子里迅速过了一笔账:以国产 Model 3 为例,距离第一次价格公布到现在,不到短短一年,共调整价格10次,降价7次,入门价格降低近一半。看来,以后买特斯拉要看k线了,价格分时波动。我还是失眠了。04最近一直忙得颠三倒四,今天出门时显示只剩120公里左右的电量,但我要赶着去大兴机场接我妈妈,只能硬着头皮出门了。接上我妈,电池显示只剩50公里,我需要迅速找一个地方充电,附近有一个快充,但全满。于是,我只能再去寻找别的充电桩。最后绕来绕去,找到一个封闭小区,我再三央求,出示了健康码,保安还是要去请示一下领导,而此时车内电量显示,只有1公里可开,我都在怀疑,当街推车的戏码要在我身上上演了。我做了个决定,趁保安去请示领导,偷偷溜进小区去。但只充了一会,我就赶紧离开了,毕竟偷偷摸摸的行为让我心里没谱。没想到,我堂堂正正做人三十多年,却像个贼一样的罔顾规则溜进别人的私密空间,只为了给我的车充一会电。还好,靠着偷充的电,我支撑到了下一个充电站。在还没开到充电站时,我远远就看到那把充电枪,在黑夜里亮得晃眼,仿佛就是在等待着我的到来。那晚,简直是一出特斯拉车主充电历险记。我妈没有抱怨什么,但我不敢想象我爸在现场将会发生什么,他可能也无法想象,我居然花30多万买了这么个“电动爹”。但是我依然比有些车主好得多,那些家里没有充电桩的车主,他们每天上床前想得都是:1、明天续航不够用该怎么办?2、我是今晚爬起来给他充了?3、还是明天早起挤出时间再说?最终精神的折磨必须战胜肉体的倦殆,无论刮风下雨都要提上裤子出发去充电。而和有些国产新能源车车主遇到的问题相比:大灯黄、屏幕黄、天窗漏水、轮胎偏磨、异响故障、方向盘掉落、自燃自爆等,我更是不知道好出了几个比亚迪。韭菜的第三个特征:善于比惨。05我决定,把自己买特斯拉上亏的钱,通过股票悉数赚回来。因为早看中了这个标的,去年12月20号我以405美元买入特斯拉,3个月过去,我的卖出价格是399美元。而这三个月里,特斯拉股票最高到过969美元。感觉是坐了个过山车。曾经,有一份盈利摆在了我的面前,我太不满足了,如果再给我一次机会,我会说:赚一分我也卖!但我仍不会放弃,我是一个老股民,我有着一套自己买股的逻辑。特斯拉自在上海建厂以来,不仅得到了政府层面的大力支持,成为最大的外资工厂,还得到免息借款50亿的优待,这显然是马斯克的政府公关做得优秀,反观国内造车势力,自去年补贴降低以来,新能源车销量持续走低,比亚迪降薪,众泰欠薪,海马汽车卖房,青年汽车破产,好一个“惨”字。历史告诉我,靠补贴薅社会主义羊毛的投机份子终会淡出舞台,特斯拉“新能源一哥”的地位也会逐渐稳固。Model 3今天的售价是27w左右,这还没完,预计到2020年底,Model 3的国产化率将达100%,届时Model 3的成本将低至不可描述。如果Musk真的不留情面,卯起来打价格战,那恐怕要有一众国内厂商自挂东南枝。业绩好,股价自然也会好。我炒股只有一个坚持,只抄龙头。于是,我在4月30日又入了特斯拉。当晚特斯拉公布了2020年Q1财报,结果出人意料的好。盘上反应更是激烈,一时间大涨10%。万万没想到,马斯克又出来作妖了。第二天,他发了一条美国版微博,称特斯拉股价太高了。结果呢,当天收盘时,特斯拉股价大跌逾10%,一夜蒸发超过140亿美元,折合1000亿人民币左右。马斯克大概是中外企业家里求锤得锤第一人。我的股票也一夜回到解放前。但我还是默默继续持有它。不是因为它好,而是因为能选择的太少,我总不能去买中概股吧?但是,如果身边有朋友要买车,我还是会无条件推荐特斯拉。你以为我是收了特斯拉的黑钱吗?不,我是买了它家股票。而我知道,这世界什么都缺,最不缺的就是韭菜。引用百度百科的解释,韭菜,适应性强,抗寒耐热峮,容易栽培;而且韭菜的好处是,可以多次收割。毕竟,我现在是价值投资的坚定捍卫者,还请巴菲特老爷子保佑我这个后浪,让我们共同见证奇迹的发生。","news_type":1},"isVote":1,"tweetType":1,"viewCount":1047,"authorTweetTopStatus":1,"verified":2,"comments":[],"imageCount":0,"langContent":"CN","totalScore":0},{"id":953993593,"gmtCreate":1590072951212,"gmtModify":1704191759322,"author":{"id":"3547967442715418","authorId":"3547967442715418","name":"Ryan901","avatar":"https://static.tigerbbs.com/c86297e90108f64de208088a178d2cf2","crmLevel":8,"crmLevelSwitch":0,"followedFlag":false,"idStr":"3547967442715418","authorIdStr":"3547967442715418"},"themes":[],"htmlText":"那你空特斯拉吧","listText":"那你空特斯拉吧","text":"那你空特斯拉吧","images":[],"top":1,"highlighted":1,"essential":1,"paper":1,"likeSize":3,"commentSize":0,"repostSize":0,"link":"https://laohu8.com/post/953993593","repostId":"1187842348","repostType":2,"repost":{"id":"1187842348","pubTimestamp":1590071507,"share":"https://www.laohu8.com/m/news/1187842348?lang=&edition=full","pubTime":"2020-05-21 22:31","market":"us","language":"zh","title":"特斯拉只是一个笑话","url":"https://stock-news.laohu8.com/highlight/detail?id=1187842348","media":"齐亮说","summary":"今年年初,特斯拉上海工厂开张了。有一次我去芦潮港的时候,就路过特斯拉工厂门口。我站在上海特斯拉工厂门口,心潮澎湃,颇有感慨。我想:特斯拉大概会在哪一年破产?马斯克这人有个特点,他做什么都能做得轰轰烈烈","content":"<p><span>今年年初,<a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/TSLA\">特斯拉</a>上海工厂开张了。有一次我去芦潮港的时候,就路过特斯拉工厂门口。</span></p><p><span>我站在上海特斯拉工厂门口,心潮澎湃,颇有感慨。我想:特斯拉大概会在哪一年破产?</span></p><p><b><span>马斯克这人有个特点,他做什么都能做得轰轰烈烈,但是做什么都是亏本的,唯一例外的是<a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/PYPL\">PayPal</a>。</span></b><span>如果没有PayPal的成功垫底,可以说他目前为止创业所做的所有事,没有一次是可以挣钱的,没有一次不是把投资人的钱输得干干净净,还会顺手牵羊,烧掉一大堆纳税人的血汗钱。</span></p><p><b><span>如果诸位不服气,请用事实说服我,马斯克这二十年做的创业项目,有任何一个不是负利润么?</span></b><span>(paypal是上世纪并购的项目)这些项目,每个都在长年累月的亏钱。或许对投资人来说,他们指望的是接盘侠,接盘侠又期待下一任接盘侠,只要打造马斯克的钢铁英雄形象,就可以有源源不断的韭菜去接盘。世界上有74亿人,这个韭菜基数极大,距离庞氏生意破产还有很多年,只要继续折腾,马斯克可能一辈子都是某些人心目中的科技英雄,而不是一个庞氏骗局的打造天才。</span></p><p><span>韭菜的钱也是钱,也是社会财富。社会财富的背后,是无数人的血汗劳动。钱并不是印出来的,印出来的是纸币,不是财富。</span></p><p><b>2、</b><b><span>马斯克卖什么?他卖情怀。</span></b></p><p><span>当今世界,已经不缺物质财富。全世界虽然极少数巨头财团就占有全球一半的财富,可是那90%的人,竟然靠着10%的财富活下来,可见社会几乎不缺温饱的基本生存资料,人类要的,是满足心理需要。</span></p><p><span>马斯克卖的,就是这样一种情怀,无论是把铱星项目的失败再扩大一百倍的卫星链计划,还是比神话故事更搞笑的移民火星计划,都是满足了大众心里的某种情怀和梦想。或者说,他卖的就是故事,每一次创业,都是写在扉页的故事简介,然后请大家掏钱,等他把故事写下去。</span></p><p><span>现在正在热闹的一个故事,就是发射一万颗卫星,让大家免费上网。</span></p><p><span>这一万颗卫星,就是未来太空中的一万个垃圾。马斯克会因为制造世界上最多的太空垃圾而载入史册。具体的技术原因已在另外一篇文章里提到:马斯克的星辰大海,只是披着科技外衣的又一庞氏骗局。</span></p><p><span>而大众会很快忘记他们有多愚蠢。当年他们曾经打鸡血,很多人因为医生不肯给他们打鸡血,而投诉到卫生部,要求卫生部整顿这些不肯给广大人民打鸡血的医院。</span></p><p><span>那些不支持马斯克的国家和政府,大概也会被满怀激情的情怀人民痛骂吧。</span></p><p><b>3、</b></p><p><span>马斯克的上海特斯拉电动汽车厂,也一定是一个灰溜溜倒闭的企业,会和<a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/NIO\">蔚来</a>汽车,某青年汽车,以及更多的xxx新能源汽车一样倒闭。</span></p><p><span>在浦东,据说有很多学校倒闭了,因为没学生了。我有个朋友跟我说,他的小学母校已经变成了养鸡场。</span></p><p><span>特斯拉汽车厂若是倒闭,不知道是改建成养鸡场好,还是养猪场好。窃以为应该改建为养鸡场,因为中国最著名的猪是金华二头乌,被日本人誉为世界第一肉猪,金华人搞的青年汽车已经倒闭,最适合养二头乌猪。但是特斯拉汽车厂在上海浦东南汇,南汇的特产是三黄鸡,所以,特斯拉工厂若是倒闭,我建议改为养鸡场,专门养三黄鸡。顺便说一句:上海三黄鸡的著名熟食品牌,是振鼎鸡,味道极好。</span></p><p><span>我期待着有一天,吃上特斯拉工厂养殖的三黄鸡。</span></p><p><span>电动汽车厂改为养殖场,是有先例的。早在三十年前,也就是1989年,温州首富叶文贵创办汽车厂,造电动汽车,最后花光了他所有的财产,卖掉他几家企业,还卖掉了酒店,最后,他在汽车厂厂房养花,搞嫁接,也养火鸡和鸵鸟。很多人都吃过他养的鸵鸟蛋和鸵鸟肉。</span></p><p><b>4</b></p><p><span>我不是诅咒特斯拉,我只是在预测。</span></p><p><span>电动汽车除了电池之外,技术含量极低,可以说不到传统燃油车的十分之一。技术原因已在这篇10w+文章里提及,有初中物理常识的人都可以看懂:不仅蔚来汽车,所有电动汽车都不<a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/300785\">值得买</a>。只有毫无工程技术常识的人,才会以为电动汽车的技术含量很高。要了解这个,你可以看一下电动机和内燃机的价格。你可以花几毛钱买到最简单的微型电动机,但是,你买个最简单的内燃机,即使是玩具模型飞机上用的,也得几百块钱。这就是电动机和内燃机的区别。</span></p><p><span>电动汽车遇到的瓶颈问题,一直是电池问题。</span></p><p><span>特斯拉没有电池技术。它的电池是松下提供的。</span><b><span>世界上目前只有松下、<a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/SMSN.UK\">三星</a>这些公司,在锂电池技术方面领先。</span></b><span>特斯拉的技术差到什么程度?他们当年把几千个18650松下电池装在底盘上,甚至连安装电池的工人都要松下公司提供。</span></p><p><span>电池技术并不像某些人以为的那样突飞猛进。这三十多年来,家用台机电脑的内存从乔布斯的<a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/AAPL\">苹果</a>2的64k提高到64G,提高了整整一百万倍。</span><b><span>但是,锂电池容量仅仅提高了一倍。至于大多数汽车里使用的,依然是铅酸电池, 那是1851年发明的东西,用了一百七十多年,还没有被淘汰掉。</span></b></p><p><span>面对这样的现实,你觉得电池技术真的那么容易进展么?你看看自己的手机,有几个做到三天不充电?这么多年过去了,手机的充电次数有减少么?</span></p><p><b><span>特斯拉已经创造了一个奇迹:一款并没有超越传统汽车实用价值、可靠性和安全性极差、经常起火烧死人的汽车,售价却比燃油车高很多。</span></b><span>马斯克真是营销天才。</span></p><p><span>但是,电池的瓶颈问题,特斯拉解决不了,任何一家电动汽车公司都解决不了。</span><b><span>技术难题不是可以靠情怀解决的,也不是可以靠营销解决的。</span></b></p><p><span>毕竟迄今为止,买电动汽车的人大多数很后悔。只是买特斯拉的人后悔的特别少,因为他们有钱,通常家里有几辆车,特斯拉只是一种玩具,而不是生产力工具。</span><b><span>作为玩具,特斯拉是合格的。</span></b></p><p><b>5</b></p><p><span>特斯拉不是实用性车型,不是生产力工具,它是一种炫耀性的奢侈品,类似于LV包包和爱马仕皮带。</span></p><p><span>买特斯拉的人群,不是为了实用,也不会是穷人或收入低于中位数的人,大体上都属于富人。</span><b><span>北京上海的金融圈和互联网高管,最喜欢买特斯拉,这些人也是最能忽悠韭菜的圈子。</span></b></p><p><span>电动汽车能够卖出去,基本上靠补贴。这补贴的钱,来自你我。</span></p><p><span>补贴的力度有多高?以上海为例,一个车牌价值十万,加上其他各种补贴,接近十五万。</span></p><p><span>十五万块钱是什么概念?它相当于一个普通劳动者二年的工资,相当于一个农村男人娶亲的聘礼,相当于一个大学生二十年的学费,相当于很多农村老人的养老金,相当于一个大城市墓地的价格。</span></p><p><span>但是,现在这些钱,用来补贴买特斯拉的人。买特斯拉的人,大体上都是中国最富的前1%。</span></p><p><span>特斯拉的补贴,正是劫贫济富。</span></p><p><span>如果真要补贴,也应该补贴穷人,那些买五菱宏光拉货拉拉谋生的,可以买一辆五菱宏光给十五万补贴。</span></p><p><span>那些买二轮电动车代步的,是真环保的,二轮电动车的功率只有特斯拉的一百分之一,每公里能耗低十倍。</span></p><p><span>不如把给特斯拉的补贴给买二轮电动车的,买一辆艾玛或绿洲、<a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/000997\">新大陆</a>、<a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/NIU\">小牛电动</a>车的,给十五万补贴。这样凭着买电动车的补贴,他们就可以在鹤岗买三套房子,或者当聘礼讨上老婆。</span></p><p><b><span>现实就是这么回事,你买一辆特斯拉,政府送你三套房子——鹤岗的房子,也是房子。</span></b><span>这房子,是送给中国最富的前1%,而不是穷人。</span></p><p><span>鹤岗大街上,应该很少有特斯拉吧。</span></p><p><b>6</b></p><p><span>补贴特斯拉的意义何在?</span></p><p><span>为了环保吗?工程师们早已经算出来,特斯拉制造的总污染,碳排放,比传统的丰田<a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/HMC\">本田汽车</a>要更高。</span></p><p><span>为了减少垃圾吗?特斯拉的18650锂电池,少则7000个,多的会更多,</span><span><b>一辆报废的特斯拉汽车,相当于一万个手机里面的锂电池。垃圾分类的话,锂电池属于什么类型?那是有害垃圾。</b></span></p><p><span>如果每个买手机的人都买一辆特斯拉,那么,锂电池的污染,从此增加了一万倍。</span><b><span>请看明白,不是十倍,不是百倍,不是千倍,是一万倍。</span></b></p><p><span>补贴一种能耗极大的不环保的交通工具——每公里能耗比二轮电动车高十倍的超级耗能的交通工具。这是怎样的一种环保行为?</span></p><p><span>大家会很快认识到这一点,尤其是经济减速的时候。政府也会很快意识到这种状况的不可持续。这种补贴会慢慢减少,以至于取消。</span><b><span>甚至可能征收锂电池污染税。</span></b></p><p><span>失去补贴的电动车就毫无竞争力。不仅仅是特斯拉,也包括蔚来汽车,以及几乎所有的电动汽车(那种不许上公路的老年人代步车,反而有竞争力)。</span></p><p><b><span>在电池技术突破以前,电动车的续航是汽油车的一个零头。充电时间与加油时间比,后面要多二个零。</span></b></p><p><span>冬天不敢开空调,若是在东北乡下,你最好在车里穿上可以抵御零下三十度的羽绒服,否则冻死在路上,特斯拉是不会赔你一条命的。</span></p><p><span>如果更换电池,换电池的开支可以买一辆经济型的国产汽油车了。不如把电动汽车扔掉,用换电池的钱买一辆经济型燃油车。</span></p><p><span>废旧汽车是大件垃圾,不能乱扔,垃圾处理费还得自己出。</span><b><span>多年后,满大街的电池老化的特斯拉,会跟今日的共享单车一样多,堆满坟场。</span></b></p><p><span>如果真的彻底取消各种补贴,再征收电动车的废弃锂电池有害垃圾处理污染费,那时候,还有人买电动汽车吗?还有很多人买特斯拉吗?</span></p><p><span>我觉得还是会有人买的,只是销量太低,特斯拉一定会破产。</span></p><p><span>那时候,上海南汇的三黄鸡养鸡场又会多一个:特斯拉养鸡场。</span></p><p><span>振鼎鸡的货源更足了。</span></p><p><b>7</b></p><p><span>特斯拉上海工厂创造了一个奇迹。这奇迹,这中国速度,是怎样创造出来的?我给您看一段网文:</span></p><blockquote><b><span>29万元的国产特斯拉怎么来的?</span></b></blockquote><blockquote><span>除了新能源汽车的国家补贴,这个售价还要迈过两个重要门槛:土地成本和资金成本。特斯拉上海超级工厂占地1300亩,据说是以极低的价格拿到的,目前特斯拉所处的<a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/600848\">上海临港</a>(24.580, -0.08, -0.32%)地区住宅及商业用地的地面价格接近1万/平米,而一年前特斯拉的拿地成本仅仅1000多块钱/平米;过去一年,特斯拉在华先后获得两次低息贷款,总计近200亿人民币,超过蔚来汽车在一级市场和二级市场的融资总额。</span></blockquote><blockquote><span>据统计,2019年上半年中国民营企业的平均贷款利率约为6%(这个数字简直太保守了),特斯拉在中国拿到的贷款利率是3.9%。</span></blockquote><blockquote><b><span>一手解决土地成本,一手搞定资金成本,这不是新能源汽车的打法,这是房地产公司的打法。</span></b></blockquote><blockquote><span>号称要做“世界级新能源汽车”的某驰汽车,先后在广州、沈阳、郑州、安徽、江苏等地拿下数块地,其中一半以上为住宅和商业用地。</span></blockquote><p><span>如果您觉得这段话太长,我给您摘录要点:</span></p><blockquote><span>上海的土地,以十分之一的价格卖给特斯拉。给特斯拉的贷款,利息远低于其他企业。给特斯拉的贷款,总数超过建厂的费用,也就是说,马斯克一分钱都不用花,都是用中国的土地和资金送给他。</span></blockquote><p><span>所以才能创造这样的中国速度。</span></p><p><span>你觉得这样的事情可以复制吗?</span></p><p><span>特斯拉给上海带来的,不会是什么经济奇迹,而是一个偶像,一个明星,一个故事,一个振奋人心的形象工程。</span></p><p><span>也许五年后,也许十年后,马斯克会还给上海一个养鸡场。</span></p>","source":"lsy1590071411496","collect":0,"html":"<!DOCTYPE html>\n<html>\n<head>\n<meta http-equiv=\"Content-Type\" content=\"text/html; charset=utf-8\" />\n<meta name=\"viewport\" 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href=https://mp.weixin.qq.com/s/O1agwA6BIpzwouiXzjsvYg><strong>齐亮说</strong></a>\n\n\n</h4>\n\n</header>\n<article>\n<div>\n<p>今年年初,特斯拉上海工厂开张了。有一次我去芦潮港的时候,就路过特斯拉工厂门口。我站在上海特斯拉工厂门口,心潮澎湃,颇有感慨。我想:特斯拉大概会在哪一年破产?马斯克这人有个特点,他做什么都能做得轰轰烈烈,但是做什么都是亏本的,唯一例外的是PayPal。如果没有PayPal的成功垫底,可以说他目前为止创业所做的所有事,没有一次是可以挣钱的,没有一次不是把投资人的钱输得干干净净,还会顺手牵羊,烧掉一大堆...</p>\n\n<a href=\"https://mp.weixin.qq.com/s/O1agwA6BIpzwouiXzjsvYg\">Web Link</a>\n\n</div>\n\n\n</article>\n</div>\n</body>\n</html>\n","type":0,"thumbnail":"https://static.tigerbbs.com/968c7f56416ea450ba452ed25e324d2e","relate_stocks":{"TSLA":"特斯拉"},"source_url":"https://mp.weixin.qq.com/s/O1agwA6BIpzwouiXzjsvYg","is_english":false,"share_image_url":"https://static.laohu8.com/e9f99090a1c2ed51c021029395664489","article_id":"1187842348","content_text":"今年年初,特斯拉上海工厂开张了。有一次我去芦潮港的时候,就路过特斯拉工厂门口。我站在上海特斯拉工厂门口,心潮澎湃,颇有感慨。我想:特斯拉大概会在哪一年破产?马斯克这人有个特点,他做什么都能做得轰轰烈烈,但是做什么都是亏本的,唯一例外的是PayPal。如果没有PayPal的成功垫底,可以说他目前为止创业所做的所有事,没有一次是可以挣钱的,没有一次不是把投资人的钱输得干干净净,还会顺手牵羊,烧掉一大堆纳税人的血汗钱。如果诸位不服气,请用事实说服我,马斯克这二十年做的创业项目,有任何一个不是负利润么?(paypal是上世纪并购的项目)这些项目,每个都在长年累月的亏钱。或许对投资人来说,他们指望的是接盘侠,接盘侠又期待下一任接盘侠,只要打造马斯克的钢铁英雄形象,就可以有源源不断的韭菜去接盘。世界上有74亿人,这个韭菜基数极大,距离庞氏生意破产还有很多年,只要继续折腾,马斯克可能一辈子都是某些人心目中的科技英雄,而不是一个庞氏骗局的打造天才。韭菜的钱也是钱,也是社会财富。社会财富的背后,是无数人的血汗劳动。钱并不是印出来的,印出来的是纸币,不是财富。2、马斯克卖什么?他卖情怀。当今世界,已经不缺物质财富。全世界虽然极少数巨头财团就占有全球一半的财富,可是那90%的人,竟然靠着10%的财富活下来,可见社会几乎不缺温饱的基本生存资料,人类要的,是满足心理需要。马斯克卖的,就是这样一种情怀,无论是把铱星项目的失败再扩大一百倍的卫星链计划,还是比神话故事更搞笑的移民火星计划,都是满足了大众心里的某种情怀和梦想。或者说,他卖的就是故事,每一次创业,都是写在扉页的故事简介,然后请大家掏钱,等他把故事写下去。现在正在热闹的一个故事,就是发射一万颗卫星,让大家免费上网。这一万颗卫星,就是未来太空中的一万个垃圾。马斯克会因为制造世界上最多的太空垃圾而载入史册。具体的技术原因已在另外一篇文章里提到:马斯克的星辰大海,只是披着科技外衣的又一庞氏骗局。而大众会很快忘记他们有多愚蠢。当年他们曾经打鸡血,很多人因为医生不肯给他们打鸡血,而投诉到卫生部,要求卫生部整顿这些不肯给广大人民打鸡血的医院。那些不支持马斯克的国家和政府,大概也会被满怀激情的情怀人民痛骂吧。3、马斯克的上海特斯拉电动汽车厂,也一定是一个灰溜溜倒闭的企业,会和蔚来汽车,某青年汽车,以及更多的xxx新能源汽车一样倒闭。在浦东,据说有很多学校倒闭了,因为没学生了。我有个朋友跟我说,他的小学母校已经变成了养鸡场。特斯拉汽车厂若是倒闭,不知道是改建成养鸡场好,还是养猪场好。窃以为应该改建为养鸡场,因为中国最著名的猪是金华二头乌,被日本人誉为世界第一肉猪,金华人搞的青年汽车已经倒闭,最适合养二头乌猪。但是特斯拉汽车厂在上海浦东南汇,南汇的特产是三黄鸡,所以,特斯拉工厂若是倒闭,我建议改为养鸡场,专门养三黄鸡。顺便说一句:上海三黄鸡的著名熟食品牌,是振鼎鸡,味道极好。我期待着有一天,吃上特斯拉工厂养殖的三黄鸡。电动汽车厂改为养殖场,是有先例的。早在三十年前,也就是1989年,温州首富叶文贵创办汽车厂,造电动汽车,最后花光了他所有的财产,卖掉他几家企业,还卖掉了酒店,最后,他在汽车厂厂房养花,搞嫁接,也养火鸡和鸵鸟。很多人都吃过他养的鸵鸟蛋和鸵鸟肉。4我不是诅咒特斯拉,我只是在预测。电动汽车除了电池之外,技术含量极低,可以说不到传统燃油车的十分之一。技术原因已在这篇10w+文章里提及,有初中物理常识的人都可以看懂:不仅蔚来汽车,所有电动汽车都不值得买。只有毫无工程技术常识的人,才会以为电动汽车的技术含量很高。要了解这个,你可以看一下电动机和内燃机的价格。你可以花几毛钱买到最简单的微型电动机,但是,你买个最简单的内燃机,即使是玩具模型飞机上用的,也得几百块钱。这就是电动机和内燃机的区别。电动汽车遇到的瓶颈问题,一直是电池问题。特斯拉没有电池技术。它的电池是松下提供的。世界上目前只有松下、三星这些公司,在锂电池技术方面领先。特斯拉的技术差到什么程度?他们当年把几千个18650松下电池装在底盘上,甚至连安装电池的工人都要松下公司提供。电池技术并不像某些人以为的那样突飞猛进。这三十多年来,家用台机电脑的内存从乔布斯的苹果2的64k提高到64G,提高了整整一百万倍。但是,锂电池容量仅仅提高了一倍。至于大多数汽车里使用的,依然是铅酸电池, 那是1851年发明的东西,用了一百七十多年,还没有被淘汰掉。面对这样的现实,你觉得电池技术真的那么容易进展么?你看看自己的手机,有几个做到三天不充电?这么多年过去了,手机的充电次数有减少么?特斯拉已经创造了一个奇迹:一款并没有超越传统汽车实用价值、可靠性和安全性极差、经常起火烧死人的汽车,售价却比燃油车高很多。马斯克真是营销天才。但是,电池的瓶颈问题,特斯拉解决不了,任何一家电动汽车公司都解决不了。技术难题不是可以靠情怀解决的,也不是可以靠营销解决的。毕竟迄今为止,买电动汽车的人大多数很后悔。只是买特斯拉的人后悔的特别少,因为他们有钱,通常家里有几辆车,特斯拉只是一种玩具,而不是生产力工具。作为玩具,特斯拉是合格的。5特斯拉不是实用性车型,不是生产力工具,它是一种炫耀性的奢侈品,类似于LV包包和爱马仕皮带。买特斯拉的人群,不是为了实用,也不会是穷人或收入低于中位数的人,大体上都属于富人。北京上海的金融圈和互联网高管,最喜欢买特斯拉,这些人也是最能忽悠韭菜的圈子。电动汽车能够卖出去,基本上靠补贴。这补贴的钱,来自你我。补贴的力度有多高?以上海为例,一个车牌价值十万,加上其他各种补贴,接近十五万。十五万块钱是什么概念?它相当于一个普通劳动者二年的工资,相当于一个农村男人娶亲的聘礼,相当于一个大学生二十年的学费,相当于很多农村老人的养老金,相当于一个大城市墓地的价格。但是,现在这些钱,用来补贴买特斯拉的人。买特斯拉的人,大体上都是中国最富的前1%。特斯拉的补贴,正是劫贫济富。如果真要补贴,也应该补贴穷人,那些买五菱宏光拉货拉拉谋生的,可以买一辆五菱宏光给十五万补贴。那些买二轮电动车代步的,是真环保的,二轮电动车的功率只有特斯拉的一百分之一,每公里能耗低十倍。不如把给特斯拉的补贴给买二轮电动车的,买一辆艾玛或绿洲、新大陆、小牛电动车的,给十五万补贴。这样凭着买电动车的补贴,他们就可以在鹤岗买三套房子,或者当聘礼讨上老婆。现实就是这么回事,你买一辆特斯拉,政府送你三套房子——鹤岗的房子,也是房子。这房子,是送给中国最富的前1%,而不是穷人。鹤岗大街上,应该很少有特斯拉吧。6补贴特斯拉的意义何在?为了环保吗?工程师们早已经算出来,特斯拉制造的总污染,碳排放,比传统的丰田本田汽车要更高。为了减少垃圾吗?特斯拉的18650锂电池,少则7000个,多的会更多,一辆报废的特斯拉汽车,相当于一万个手机里面的锂电池。垃圾分类的话,锂电池属于什么类型?那是有害垃圾。如果每个买手机的人都买一辆特斯拉,那么,锂电池的污染,从此增加了一万倍。请看明白,不是十倍,不是百倍,不是千倍,是一万倍。补贴一种能耗极大的不环保的交通工具——每公里能耗比二轮电动车高十倍的超级耗能的交通工具。这是怎样的一种环保行为?大家会很快认识到这一点,尤其是经济减速的时候。政府也会很快意识到这种状况的不可持续。这种补贴会慢慢减少,以至于取消。甚至可能征收锂电池污染税。失去补贴的电动车就毫无竞争力。不仅仅是特斯拉,也包括蔚来汽车,以及几乎所有的电动汽车(那种不许上公路的老年人代步车,反而有竞争力)。在电池技术突破以前,电动车的续航是汽油车的一个零头。充电时间与加油时间比,后面要多二个零。冬天不敢开空调,若是在东北乡下,你最好在车里穿上可以抵御零下三十度的羽绒服,否则冻死在路上,特斯拉是不会赔你一条命的。如果更换电池,换电池的开支可以买一辆经济型的国产汽油车了。不如把电动汽车扔掉,用换电池的钱买一辆经济型燃油车。废旧汽车是大件垃圾,不能乱扔,垃圾处理费还得自己出。多年后,满大街的电池老化的特斯拉,会跟今日的共享单车一样多,堆满坟场。如果真的彻底取消各种补贴,再征收电动车的废弃锂电池有害垃圾处理污染费,那时候,还有人买电动汽车吗?还有很多人买特斯拉吗?我觉得还是会有人买的,只是销量太低,特斯拉一定会破产。那时候,上海南汇的三黄鸡养鸡场又会多一个:特斯拉养鸡场。振鼎鸡的货源更足了。7特斯拉上海工厂创造了一个奇迹。这奇迹,这中国速度,是怎样创造出来的?我给您看一段网文:29万元的国产特斯拉怎么来的?除了新能源汽车的国家补贴,这个售价还要迈过两个重要门槛:土地成本和资金成本。特斯拉上海超级工厂占地1300亩,据说是以极低的价格拿到的,目前特斯拉所处的上海临港(24.580, 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-0.32%)地区住宅及商业用地的地面价格接近1万/平米,而一年前特斯拉的拿地成本仅仅1000多块钱/平米;过去一年,特斯拉在华先后获得两次低息贷款,总计近200亿人民币,超过蔚来汽车在一级市场和二级市场的融资总额。据统计,2019年上半年中国民营企业的平均贷款利率约为6%(这个数字简直太保守了),特斯拉在中国拿到的贷款利率是3.9%。一手解决土地成本,一手搞定资金成本,这不是新能源汽车的打法,这是房地产公司的打法。号称要做“世界级新能源汽车”的某驰汽车,先后在广州、沈阳、郑州、安徽、江苏等地拿下数块地,其中一半以上为住宅和商业用地。如果您觉得这段话太长,我给您摘录要点:上海的土地,以十分之一的价格卖给特斯拉。给特斯拉的贷款,利息远低于其他企业。给特斯拉的贷款,总数超过建厂的费用,也就是说,马斯克一分钱都不用花,都是用中国的土地和资金送给他。所以才能创造这样的中国速度。你觉得这样的事情可以复制吗?特斯拉给上海带来的,不会是什么经济奇迹,而是一个偶像,一个明星,一个故事,一个振奋人心的形象工程。也许五年后,也许十年后,马斯克会还给上海一个养鸡场。","news_type":1},"isVote":1,"tweetType":1,"viewCount":866,"authorTweetTopStatus":1,"verified":2,"comments":[],"imageCount":0,"langContent":"CN","totalScore":0},{"id":953057198,"gmtCreate":1590068915215,"gmtModify":1704191715776,"author":{"id":"3547967442715418","authorId":"3547967442715418","name":"Ryan901","avatar":"https://static.tigerbbs.com/c86297e90108f64de208088a178d2cf2","crmLevel":8,"crmLevelSwitch":0,"followedFlag":false,"idStr":"3547967442715418","authorIdStr":"3547967442715418"},"themes":[],"htmlText":"美联储放水是重要推手","listText":"美联储放水是重要推手","text":"美联储放水是重要推手","images":[],"top":1,"highlighted":1,"essential":1,"paper":1,"likeSize":0,"commentSize":0,"repostSize":0,"link":"https://laohu8.com/post/953057198","repostId":"1170907551","repostType":2,"repost":{"id":"1170907551","weMediaInfo":{"introduction":"中国大陆领先的金融数据、信息和软件服务企业,总部位于上海陆家嘴金融中心。","home_visible":1,"media_name":"Wind万得","id":"99","head_image":"https://static.tigerbbs.com/c71e30d1317b4a5cb20a41998e10ac68"},"pubTimestamp":1590025288,"share":"https://www.laohu8.com/m/news/1170907551?lang=&edition=full","pubTime":"2020-05-21 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tg-height=\"376\"></p>\n<p>美股历史上最长的牛市在2月下旬触顶后突然“雪崩”,投资者因新冠疫情在全球的蔓延重新评估了格局。3月,美股以有史以来最快的速度跌入熊市,全球经济停摆推动投资者进行恐慌性抛售,并为最坏的情况做好准备。但自那以来,美联储和其他中央银行纷纷注入现金,美国政府也已经拨款近3万亿美元用于救助资金。尽管病毒的传播途径及其对未来增长的影响仍存在不确定性,但股票价格还是高涨。</p>\n<p>被调查者认为疫苗是美股“ V”形反弹的最大催化剂。不过,他们认为最大的风险是秋天将要发生的第二波浪潮。</p>\n<p>从板块预期来看,被调查者认为价值股票是当前环境下最糟糕的选择。23%的人预计价值股的涨幅将超过其他股票,这是自2007年12月以来的最低水平。另一方面,调查显示华尔街倾向押注医疗保健等防御性板块,以及能源、欧洲资产等更具周期性的投资。</p>\n<p>此外,对疫情复发的担忧也让华尔街更倾向持有现金。受调查者现金水平为投资组合的5.7%,低于最近的高点5.9%,但仍被认为是高水平。73%的调查者表示企业应将自有资金用于改善资产负债表和偿还债务,而只有15%的受调查者认为企业应加大资本支出,另有7%的受调查者表示企业应将资金返还给股东通过回购和分红。</p>\n<p><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/ab70461db65e9c288bc73b6f9bde138f\" tg-width=\"796\" tg-height=\"387\"></p>\n<p>基金经理们还认为,未来企业的关注点将发生重大转变。他们认为最可能的“结构性转变”,为68%,是将商品生产转移至离企业更近的地方;其次是贸易保护主义(44%),高税收(42%)和现代货币理论的使用(24%),即相信如果通货膨胀率保持在较低水平,政府债务并不重要,而公共支出则应侧重于旨在减少财富不平等的计划。</p>\n<p><b><span>美国是否为重新开放做好准备?财政部、美联储各执一词</span></b></p>\n<p>美股3月底以来的反弹,也与政府解除限制措施的信号有关。部分投资者认为,一旦各州重新开放,经济就能快速恢复至疫情前水平。不过,在昨日的听证会上,美国财政部部长姆努钦和美联储主席鲍威尔对此给出不同理解。</p>\n<p>姆努钦在讲话中反映了美国政府的信念,即对经济的最大威胁是等待重新开始经济活动的时间太长,在此之前数百万美国人已经在家中隔离避免传播,这无疑减缓了经济增长。姆努钦对参议院银行委员会说:“商业活动停摆太久,存在造成永久损害的风险。”他对经济增长最大风险的认识来自于这样一个期待——一旦恢复开放,经济将呈V形复苏,在急剧下滑后强劲反弹。</p>\n<p>但另一边,鲍威尔质疑在经济增长与保护公众健康之间进行权衡的前提。他说,对病毒感染的恐惧是经济中最大的障碍,复苏将一直持续到美国人认为可以安全地恢复涉及人与人接触的商业活动之前。鲍威尔说:“当然,第一件事是人们认为回去工作很安全,这样他们就可以出去了。这就是人们恢复信心所需要的。”</p>\n<p>鲍威尔和其他美联储高级官员表示,他们认为不太可能出现V形复苏。这激起了他们的担忧,即政府的最初救济措施可能不足以维持经济,尤其是考虑到这种冲击史无前例,以及当前利率已降至零的情况下。</p>\n<p>波士顿联储主席埃里克·罗森格伦(Eric Rosengren)在周二的讲话中表示,他预计今年的失业率将达到20%的峰值,到年底将保持在10%以上。他说:“这种前景既发人深省,又是对采取行动的呼吁。货币和财政政策都应大胆采取行动,以最大程度地减少大流行造成的经济痛苦。”</p>\n<p>罗森格伦先生警告说,仅允许企业在不减慢病毒传播速度的情况下重新开放,有可能使经济恶化。“如果消费者害怕外出就餐、购物或旅行,放宽限制措施可能无助于挽回客户和就业机会。至关重要的是,减少商业限制的设计和时机,不能在更长的时间内导致更糟糕的结果和更高的失业率。”</p>","collect":0,"html":"<!DOCTYPE html>\n<html>\n<head>\n<meta http-equiv=\"Content-Type\" content=\"text/html; charset=utf-8\" />\n<meta name=\"viewport\" content=\"width=device-width,initial-scale=1.0,minimum-scale=1.0,maximum-scale=1.0,user-scalable=no\"/>\n<meta name=\"format-detection\" content=\"telephone=no,email=no,address=no\" />\n<title>华尔街不看好美股反弹!美联储、财政部释放矛盾信号</title>\n<style 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V”形反弹的最大催化剂。不过,他们认为最大的风险是秋天将要发生的第二波浪潮。</p>\n<p>从板块预期来看,被调查者认为价值股票是当前环境下最糟糕的选择。23%的人预计价值股的涨幅将超过其他股票,这是自2007年12月以来的最低水平。另一方面,调查显示华尔街倾向押注医疗保健等防御性板块,以及能源、欧洲资产等更具周期性的投资。</p>\n<p>此外,对疫情复发的担忧也让华尔街更倾向持有现金。受调查者现金水平为投资组合的5.7%,低于最近的高点5.9%,但仍被认为是高水平。73%的调查者表示企业应将自有资金用于改善资产负债表和偿还债务,而只有15%的受调查者认为企业应加大资本支出,另有7%的受调查者表示企业应将资金返还给股东通过回购和分红。</p>\n<p><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/ab70461db65e9c288bc73b6f9bde138f\" tg-width=\"796\" 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