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19:51","market":"us","language":"zh","title":"英特尔、百度等这些被时代抛弃的公司有哪些共同点?","url":"https://stock-news.laohu8.com/highlight/detail?id=1192018045","media":"美股研究社","summary":"美股二季度财报季即将落幕,有人欢喜有人愁。在FAAMG股价纷纷创下历史新高之际,有的科技股却经历了至暗时刻。深究这些公司的下跌逻辑,大部分是因为基本面不够好,他们暴跌无可厚非,而有一类公司却是因为市场","content":"<p>美股二季度财报季即将落幕,有人欢喜有人愁。在FAAMG股价纷纷创下历史新高之际,有的科技股却经历了至暗时刻。深究这些公司的下跌逻辑,大部分是因为基本面不够好,他们暴跌无可厚非,而有一类公司却是因为市场对未来的悲观抛弃,<a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/INTC\">英特尔</a>、<a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/CSCO\">思科</a>、<a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/BIDU\">百度</a>算得上是此类公司。</p><p>纵观这几家公司刚刚公布的二季度财报,业绩表现均超出市场预期,但财报公布后,股价却纷纷放量暴跌,投资者似乎彻底失去了最后的耐心。事实上,这三家公司相比同行来讲,都属于明显被低估,但市场仍然选择了用脚投票。拆分到他们各自来看,我们或许可以找到一些原因。</p><p><b>对未来预期的悲观,是股价放量的直接推手</b></p><p>我们不妨来看看这三家公司在今年二季度的业绩基本面:</p><p>英特尔营收197亿美元、净利润51亿美元,双超市场预期;思科营收122亿美元、净利润22亿美元,同样超过市场预期,但对下一个季度的业绩展望不及预期;百度当季营收260亿元人民币,净利润50.8亿元,营收和净利指标同样超出市场的平均预期。</p><p>良好的基本面似乎可以有支撑他们股价的理由,但股市却在反其道而行之。可以看出,他们股价下跌的原因,并不是因为业绩不好,而对未来预期的悲观成为了市场的主流情绪。</p><p><b>英特尔:</b>从自身角度来讲,英特尔不论是在芯片的设计还是在制造上均没有向市场释放更多优势。原定于2021年底上市的7nm制程因工艺上遇到了一些问题需要推迟大半年时间上市,也已经很好的印证了这一点。</p><p>反观对手<a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/AMD\">AMD</a>,不论是在芯片还是数据中心业务的发展上,都在向市场抛出更多的想象空间。芯片方面,以“性价比”打天下的AMD芯片设计提供了比英特尔更好的性能以及更低的能耗,迅速抢得了不少市场份额;数据中心业务方面,AMD也呈现出了强劲的发展态势。</p><p>据报道,AMD新一代的Epyc处理器目前已经在<a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/AMZN\">亚马逊</a>网络服务器的14个地区上线,占有率迅速提高了一倍。尽管Rome处理器才上市两个月,但该处理器在市场份额上的“快速扩充”推动了AMD在数据中心业务的发展。使得那些原本不敢放弃英特尔Xeon处理器的科技公司已经开始大量采用AMD的产品,比如亚马逊、<a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/GOOG\">谷歌</a>和<a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/MSFT\">微软</a>等这些大型数据中心运营商都相继采用AMD的Epyc处理器。</p><p>在二季度的财报电话会议上,AMD总裁兼CEO Lisa Su表示,她相信“Rome将继续成为我们今年下半年和明年增长的强劲推动力。”现在看起来,已经在朝着这一方向靠近了。英特尔自身在芯片技术上的缓慢进程以及AMD数据中心业务的不断崛起,已经向市场抛出了其未来份额会被AMD抢走的悲观预期。</p><p><b>百度:</b>对于百度而言,虽然二季度财报超预期,但作为撑起百度核心业务的APP日活用户数却出现了逆势下滑,二季度2.04亿的APP日活数相较于上一个季度下降了1800万,相当于回到一年前的水平。这背后似乎表明了百度APP日活数已经达到了用户增长的天花板,加之,目前数字广告预算都呈现出逐渐向流媒体市场转移的趋势,这对于百度核心业务而言的冲击可以说是直接的,市场会认为百度已经彻底丢失了对流量入口的话语掌控权。</p><p>即便是百度AI业务的表现不错,比如小度<a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/5RE.SI\">智能</a>音箱第二季度出货量国内第一;Apollo方面也将运营范围扩展至市中心街道等更复杂的路况区;百度智能云也相继与国家电网、南方电网、央视网、<a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/03323\">中国建材</a>集团等达成合作。</p><p>但目前AI业务的营收体量过小,短期内并不足以扭转其逐年下滑的营收体量,市场并不认为其拥有多大的未来。</p><p><b>思科:</b>众所周知,思科近年来一直在致力于向云计算转型,在其2020财年的财报中,思科有51%的营收是来自于软件和服务,一定程度上来讲实现了一些突破。在未来越来越多企业开始选择上软件维持运行的趋势下,思科的向云转型无疑是具有看点一步棋。</p><p><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/6cbcbe56c9758aeb0fd0a0421c0e54bc\" tg-width=\"591\" tg-height=\"330\"></p><p>但仍占总营收大头的硬件业务仍是思科后续上云的沉重包袱。虽说,今年二季度思科的营收超出了市场预期,但相较于上年同期的营收来讲,同比下滑了9%。出现这一现象的原因主要在于思科在硬件方面的营收也出现了13%同比下滑,这一业务在今年二季度的营收为101.2亿美元。即便是软件服务得以发展,但仍不足以弥补公司所受到的冲击。</p><p>深究这三家公司被市场抛售的逻辑,其实我们可以找到一些相似的共同点。</p><p><b>曾经互联网顶端食物链的巨头,被时代抛弃背后的幕后推手</b></p><p>这三家公司曾经都是高高在上的行业巨头,走到目前被市场抛售的场面难免有点尴尬,但也是有因可究的。</p><p><b>1、过于沉寂于曾经的成功</b></p><p>事实上,不论是国外的英特尔、思科,还是国内的百度,他们都属于被“低估”的一类公司,在基本面上较为稳健,基本挑不出过多的毛病。但也正是由于曾经已经成功站上科技互联网的顶端食物链,过于沉寂在过去的成功当中,在整体营收体量上也难以实现更大的突破。</p><p>而现在的一些举动,却令市场对其未来的发展前景较为模糊。不论是英特尔挤牙膏式的发展、思科的上云,还是百度核心业务增长的放缓,都在说明这一点。</p><p><b>2、核心业务彻底失去创新精神</b></p><p>尽管这些公司都在向市场释放一些新的价值看点,但却在核心业务上缺乏创新精神,使得市场对其未来的前景发展更加捉摸不定。</p><p>比如英特尔积极向数据中心转型,但压垮英特尔导致其股价暴跌的导火索却是7nm的推迟,在芯片业务上一直被诟病的挤牙膏式发展,未曾有很大的改善。反观,对手AMD、<a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/NVDA\">英伟达</a>纷纷在芯片和数据中心业务上不断实现突破。</p><p><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/0072e4e334f44218cf6ac47788cbff26\" tg-width=\"641\" tg-height=\"359\"></p><p>而百度虽在to B转型上疯狂向市场释放前景讯号,但却已经能很久没在to C端推出战略级应用,而且百度App的日活还在疫情期间出现逆势下滑。相比之下,BAT行列的<a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/BABA\">阿里巴巴</a>不但在下沉市场持续开发新用户,也在本地服务市场积极布局,通过多种业态布局构建更加坚固的护城河;<a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/00700\">腾讯</a>今年的表现更是有目共睹,比如上线微信小商店积极探索电商的更大可能、通过投资、收购等多种方式扩大自身的生态版图,在股价上不断刷新历史新高,与阿里巴巴在市值上还上演了一较高下的戏码。</p><p>而百度对B端市场的加码,看起来更像是孤注一掷。另外,值得注意的是,在B端市场的竞争中相当激烈。比如百度智能云,据IDC2019年下半年中国云厂商的市场份额数据,在公有云模式中,阿里云的市场份额达50.7%,超过2至5的总和;在公有云+传统部署模式下,阿里云也位居首位。此外,还要面临,腾讯云、<a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/KC\">金山云</a>、华为云的激烈竞争。</p><p>在竞争激烈的同时,势必面临巨大的投入支出,长期以往很可能会失去在C端的现金流,未来的发展前景堪忧。</p><p>思科虽然在加快云安全、云协作在教育、医疗以及其他领域的投入,但这个动作在市场看来已经反应迟钝。早几年前,思科硬件下滑的趋势就出现了,但它的转型探索之路才刚刚开始,也难怪后知后觉的思科云上转型会受硬件包袱的拖累。</p><p><b>3、过往积累的护城河正在丢失</b></p><p>市场从不缺乏后来者,作为老牌的行业巨头在缺乏对核心业务创新的同时,却面临着后来者的来势汹汹。</p><p><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/07555c1a9f89827d2ab77dab6465c7f8\" tg-width=\"650\" tg-height=\"272\"></p><p>英特尔面临AMD的强势围剿,上文中我们已经进行了阐述;而百度,众所周知,在信息分发领域却遭到了字节跳动的蚕食,字节跳动凭借着其独特的算法,已经在移动端形成了明显的优势。前不久,字节跳动更是以5亿元完成了对医学科普知识平台百科名医网的全资收购,加快了资本市场的多元化布局,彰显了其构建平台内容生态的更大的野心。值得一提的是,一旦腾讯对<a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/SOGO\">搜狗</a>完成收购,可能还会进一步加剧行业内的激烈战局;思科则面临着AWS、微软、谷歌等一堆大大小小的云计算公司的堵截,加剧了市场对思科未来的转型的担忧。</p><p>而他们面对的竞争对手的共同点却更加具备创新精神,事实上,这也是市场对老牌巨头不看好的主要原因。</p><p>那么,在这样的状态下,市场可能也会有一些疑问。</p><p><b>投资者该如何看待这类公司?</b></p><p>首先,我们应该要清晰的明确一点,这三家公司从估值的角度来看,确实被低估了。但投资关注的是一家公司的长远未来,即便是后续会因为一些好的举措被市场看好出现短期的股价复苏,但却是难以改变一家公司对未来的糟糕预期的。</p><p>当然,也不排除或许有一天这三家公司会实现成功转型。但在美股研究社看来,在这之前,大可不必将精力浪费在这类公司上。毕竟,目前市场上不断涌现出一股股来势汹汹的后浪,对这些前浪们的冲击是肉眼可见的,而且他们在持续的创新当中。在强者恒强的市场规律之下,表现更好的公司自然也会享受更高的估值。</p><p>未来,英特尔、百度和思科可能会在某个时间点出现不错的反弹,但届时AMD、腾讯、阿里和英伟达这些竞争对手们一定会获得更多涨幅。</p>","source":"mgyjs","collect":0,"html":"<!DOCTYPE html>\n<html>\n<head>\n<meta http-equiv=\"Content-Type\" content=\"text/html; charset=utf-8\" />\n<meta name=\"viewport\" content=\"width=device-width,initial-scale=1.0,minimum-scale=1.0,maximum-scale=1.0,user-scalable=no\"/>\n<meta name=\"format-detection\" content=\"telephone=no,email=no,address=no\" />\n<title>英特尔、百度等这些被时代抛弃的公司有哪些共同点?</title>\n<style 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Lisa Su表示,她相信“Rome将继续成为我们今年下半年和明年增长的强劲推动力。”现在看起来,已经在朝着这一方向靠近了。英特尔自身在芯片技术上的缓慢进程以及AMD数据中心业务的不断崛起,已经向市场抛出了其未来份额会被AMD抢走的悲观预期。百度:对于百度而言,虽然二季度财报超预期,但作为撑起百度核心业务的APP日活用户数却出现了逆势下滑,二季度2.04亿的APP日活数相较于上一个季度下降了1800万,相当于回到一年前的水平。这背后似乎表明了百度APP日活数已经达到了用户增长的天花板,加之,目前数字广告预算都呈现出逐渐向流媒体市场转移的趋势,这对于百度核心业务而言的冲击可以说是直接的,市场会认为百度已经彻底丢失了对流量入口的话语掌控权。即便是百度AI业务的表现不错,比如小度智能音箱第二季度出货量国内第一;Apollo方面也将运营范围扩展至市中心街道等更复杂的路况区;百度智能云也相继与国家电网、南方电网、央视网、中国建材集团等达成合作。但目前AI业务的营收体量过小,短期内并不足以扭转其逐年下滑的营收体量,市场并不认为其拥有多大的未来。思科:众所周知,思科近年来一直在致力于向云计算转型,在其2020财年的财报中,思科有51%的营收是来自于软件和服务,一定程度上来讲实现了一些突破。在未来越来越多企业开始选择上软件维持运行的趋势下,思科的向云转型无疑是具有看点一步棋。但仍占总营收大头的硬件业务仍是思科后续上云的沉重包袱。虽说,今年二季度思科的营收超出了市场预期,但相较于上年同期的营收来讲,同比下滑了9%。出现这一现象的原因主要在于思科在硬件方面的营收也出现了13%同比下滑,这一业务在今年二季度的营收为101.2亿美元。即便是软件服务得以发展,但仍不足以弥补公司所受到的冲击。深究这三家公司被市场抛售的逻辑,其实我们可以找到一些相似的共同点。曾经互联网顶端食物链的巨头,被时代抛弃背后的幕后推手这三家公司曾经都是高高在上的行业巨头,走到目前被市场抛售的场面难免有点尴尬,但也是有因可究的。1、过于沉寂于曾经的成功事实上,不论是国外的英特尔、思科,还是国内的百度,他们都属于被“低估”的一类公司,在基本面上较为稳健,基本挑不出过多的毛病。但也正是由于曾经已经成功站上科技互联网的顶端食物链,过于沉寂在过去的成功当中,在整体营收体量上也难以实现更大的突破。而现在的一些举动,却令市场对其未来的发展前景较为模糊。不论是英特尔挤牙膏式的发展、思科的上云,还是百度核心业务增长的放缓,都在说明这一点。2、核心业务彻底失去创新精神尽管这些公司都在向市场释放一些新的价值看点,但却在核心业务上缺乏创新精神,使得市场对其未来的前景发展更加捉摸不定。比如英特尔积极向数据中心转型,但压垮英特尔导致其股价暴跌的导火索却是7nm的推迟,在芯片业务上一直被诟病的挤牙膏式发展,未曾有很大的改善。反观,对手AMD、英伟达纷纷在芯片和数据中心业务上不断实现突破。而百度虽在to B转型上疯狂向市场释放前景讯号,但却已经能很久没在to C端推出战略级应用,而且百度App的日活还在疫情期间出现逆势下滑。相比之下,BAT行列的阿里巴巴不但在下沉市场持续开发新用户,也在本地服务市场积极布局,通过多种业态布局构建更加坚固的护城河;腾讯今年的表现更是有目共睹,比如上线微信小商店积极探索电商的更大可能、通过投资、收购等多种方式扩大自身的生态版图,在股价上不断刷新历史新高,与阿里巴巴在市值上还上演了一较高下的戏码。而百度对B端市场的加码,看起来更像是孤注一掷。另外,值得注意的是,在B端市场的竞争中相当激烈。比如百度智能云,据IDC2019年下半年中国云厂商的市场份额数据,在公有云模式中,阿里云的市场份额达50.7%,超过2至5的总和;在公有云+传统部署模式下,阿里云也位居首位。此外,还要面临,腾讯云、金山云、华为云的激烈竞争。在竞争激烈的同时,势必面临巨大的投入支出,长期以往很可能会失去在C端的现金流,未来的发展前景堪忧。思科虽然在加快云安全、云协作在教育、医疗以及其他领域的投入,但这个动作在市场看来已经反应迟钝。早几年前,思科硬件下滑的趋势就出现了,但它的转型探索之路才刚刚开始,也难怪后知后觉的思科云上转型会受硬件包袱的拖累。3、过往积累的护城河正在丢失市场从不缺乏后来者,作为老牌的行业巨头在缺乏对核心业务创新的同时,却面临着后来者的来势汹汹。英特尔面临AMD的强势围剿,上文中我们已经进行了阐述;而百度,众所周知,在信息分发领域却遭到了字节跳动的蚕食,字节跳动凭借着其独特的算法,已经在移动端形成了明显的优势。前不久,字节跳动更是以5亿元完成了对医学科普知识平台百科名医网的全资收购,加快了资本市场的多元化布局,彰显了其构建平台内容生态的更大的野心。值得一提的是,一旦腾讯对搜狗完成收购,可能还会进一步加剧行业内的激烈战局;思科则面临着AWS、微软、谷歌等一堆大大小小的云计算公司的堵截,加剧了市场对思科未来的转型的担忧。而他们面对的竞争对手的共同点却更加具备创新精神,事实上,这也是市场对老牌巨头不看好的主要原因。那么,在这样的状态下,市场可能也会有一些疑问。投资者该如何看待这类公司?首先,我们应该要清晰的明确一点,这三家公司从估值的角度来看,确实被低估了。但投资关注的是一家公司的长远未来,即便是后续会因为一些好的举措被市场看好出现短期的股价复苏,但却是难以改变一家公司对未来的糟糕预期的。当然,也不排除或许有一天这三家公司会实现成功转型。但在美股研究社看来,在这之前,大可不必将精力浪费在这类公司上。毕竟,目前市场上不断涌现出一股股来势汹汹的后浪,对这些前浪们的冲击是肉眼可见的,而且他们在持续的创新当中。在强者恒强的市场规律之下,表现更好的公司自然也会享受更高的估值。未来,英特尔、百度和思科可能会在某个时间点出现不错的反弹,但届时AMD、腾讯、阿里和英伟达这些竞争对手们一定会获得更多涨幅。","news_type":1},"isVote":1,"tweetType":1,"viewCount":852,"authorTweetTopStatus":1,"verified":2,"comments":[],"imageCount":0,"langContent":"CN","totalScore":0},{"id":949765966,"gmtCreate":1594306923555,"gmtModify":1704205139199,"author":{"id":"3542633557656262","authorId":"3542633557656262","name":"皮皮理财","avatar":"https://static.laohu8.com/default-avatar.jpg","crmLevel":2,"crmLevelSwitch":0,"followedFlag":false,"idStr":"3542633557656262","authorIdStr":"3542633557656262"},"themes":[],"htmlText":"<a 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