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class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/85a97f4a1fa65986fda07bce53f00df5\" alt=\"\" title=\"\" tg-width=\"288\" tg-height=\"332\"/></p><p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><strong>1、灰熊机构在报告中称，Temu的快速使用率导致了大规模数据的泄露。过去9个月内，Temu的下载量超过1亿次，全部发生在美国和欧洲，而中国却不提供Temu。</strong> </p><p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><strong>这份报告开头就让人一头雾水，什么叫中国却不提供Temu？那拼多多是什么？</strong></p><p style=\"text-align: justify;\">TEMU应用程序软件具有最具攻击性的恶意软件/间谍软件的全部特征。并附加了一张图指控拼多多犯了所有“间谍特征”，图中还包含了SHEIN、阿里、Amazon、Tik Tok、eBay。</p><p style=\"text-align: justify;\">例如，指控Temu APP具有隐藏功能，允许在用户不知情的情况下进行广泛的数据泄露，从而可能使不良行为者完全访问客户移动设备上的几乎所有数据。</p><p style=\"text-align: justify;\">并称强烈怀疑Temu已经或打算非法出售从西方国家客户那里窃取的数据，以维持一种注定会失败的商业模式。</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/5460cce514fa14467c22e16e87d0b77b\" alt=\"\" title=\"\" tg-width=\"593\" tg-height=\"259\"/></p><p style=\"text-align: justify;\">值得注意的是，美国本土企业亚马逊也犯下了不少“间谍特征”，一共18项，亚马逊犯了12项，而eBay这种网站为主的电商则犯的最少。这即说明现代的电商app收集用户的大数据是个很普遍的现象，美国企业也这样做。</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/7e3a3e509fcc31f29ecc3fc603a809b6\" alt=\"\" title=\"\" tg-width=\"945\" tg-height=\"353\"/></p><p style=\"text-align: justify;\">2、灰熊机构称，找了很多数据安全专家来分析Temu的代码，并于我们自己的专家以及在公共领域独立编写的分析师进行整合。<br/></p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/aba90b5642b6e4bfcb871bab2736d956\" alt=\"\" title=\"\" tg-width=\"591\" tg-height=\"268\"/></p><p style=\"text-align: justify;\">接着贴出一张众多文件夹的图，称这是Temu为了隐藏该软件的恶意和入侵行为，拼多多做了巨大的努力。</p><p style=\"text-align: justify;\"> <strong>十分不严谨的是，这些那么多文件夹里面究竟是什么？甚至投资者都看不清这些文件夹的名称，难道建一大堆文件夹截个图就可以随便诬告一家公司了吗？</strong></p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/232c4d85e403214bf6cfc31746a90d37\" alt=\"\" title=\"\" tg-width=\"945\" tg-height=\"567\"/></p><p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><strong>而这当然可以，前提这家公司是中国企业，再附加上“危害美国国家软件”。数据不严谨也没关系，只要煽动对抗中国企业的情绪就可以了。</strong></p><p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><strong>所以，这是一份无实质证据支撑，纯粹是在讲一个政治正确，针对中国企业的做空报告。</strong></p><p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><strong>在这份报告的后半部分，灰熊机构更是无实质性证据的在质问Temu。而这是一份做空报告该做的事情吗？不应该是发现公司哪里出现了财务问题，告诉投资人吗？</strong></p><p style=\"text-align: justify;\">灰熊机构称：“廉价的中国购物APP此前已经证明，这种商业模式根本无法持续盈利，连连网wish是一个著名的案例研究，Shein是当前积极进取的竞争对手，TikTok已宣布进军该领域。”</p><p style=\"text-align: justify;\">并称：廉价的Temu估计每份订单会损失30美元，它的广告支出和运输成本(从中国出发1-2周，快递到美国)是天文数字。人们不禁要问，这项业务怎么才能盈利赚钱。</p><p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><strong>灰熊机构能问出这样的话，显然对拼多多也不太了解，Temu处于烧钱扩大规模的阶段，Temu整体亏损率为40%-50%，赚钱的是中国业务。并且，为什么低价电商赚不到钱？</strong></p><p style=\"text-align: justify;\">灰熊所说的wish连连网，在temu出现前，被称为“美版拼多多”，因为上面95%的卖家都来源于中国，同样是中国供应链输出海外。在2021年时，wish的股价最高时为985元，而现在仅剩5.23元。</p><p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><strong>但由于正版拼多多Temu的出现，将曾经辉煌的Wish击倒了。并且wish因为物流运输管理不佳的原因，以及内部高管的混乱，导致了公司的衰退。</strong></p><p style=\"text-align: justify;\">从下图中看，2021年wish的营收为20.5亿美元，而到2022年Temu进军美国时，仅剩5.71亿美元。</p><p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><strong>并且，wish死于物流运输问题和管理层混乱，但这些都是temu做的好的地方，用前者的失败来衡量后者的成功难以延续？</strong></p><p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><strong>这显然不是个好的例子。</strong></p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/7402b2d1dfccde5451e136812976b300\" alt=\"\" title=\"\" tg-width=\"351\" tg-height=\"262\"/></p><p style=\"text-align: justify;\">在这份报告的结尾，灰熊机构说出了报告的重点：美国国会已经起草了编号HR1153，这将严重损害TEMU的商业模式和或授权美国总统禁止Temu进入美国。</p><p style=\"text-align: justify;\">这是这份报告中唯一有用的地方，这也是所有出海美国的中国企业所担忧的。</p><p style=\"text-align: justify;\">当中国企业在美国发展到一定规模时，最后都难免以“危害国家安全”的罪名制裁中国企业，Tik Tok就是个最典型的例子。因此，之前就据传Temu可能将5%的股份引入Meta成为股东，变相是交保护费。</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/57ed6d2736485fdf2f3ee6077364a1a4\" alt=\"\" title=\"\" tg-width=\"597\" tg-height=\"328\"/></p><p><strong>结语</strong></p><p style=\"text-align: justify;\">实际上，去年灰熊机构也曾诬告过蔚来财务造假，但最后被摩根、JP摩根等多家外资投行驳斥，称该机构的做空报告完全是在误读相关数据。</p><p style=\"text-align: justify;\">为什么近两年拼多多、名创优品等中国企业的出海能快速增长？</p><p style=\"text-align: justify;\">这一切还是源于中国零售商领先了美国至少5年，在国内有优势出海就是降维打击，所以未来对于这种针对中国企业增长太快的诬告，可能还会越来越多。</p><p style=\"text-align: justify;\">拼多多做错了什么？唯一做错的就是生于中国以及崛起和增长的太快。老外看不顺眼。</p></body></html>","source":"lsy1568959956107","collect":0,"html":"<!DOCTYPE html>\n<html>\n<head>\n<meta http-equiv=\"Content-Type\" content=\"text/html; charset=utf-8\" />\n<meta name=\"viewport\" content=\"width=device-width,initial-scale=1.0,minimum-scale=1.0,maximum-scale=1.0,user-scalable=no\"/>\n<meta name=\"format-detection\" content=\"telephone=no,email=no,address=no\" />\n<title>一份没做过市场调研的沽空报告</title>\n<style 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