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03-06 19:52

$特斯拉(TSLA)$ 都三月了。我model q都等到小米su7从无到有还没发布。

03-05 19:11

Replying to @eggspain:对呀//@eggspain:Gpt给英伟达带来了收入，ds能给大陆市场干啥？多裁员降低企业成本？

02-26

Replying to @小岛大浪:消息来源呢？//@小岛大浪:非常期待明天的发布会，yu7发布，小米会再创新高

02-14

我还以为今天能360。结果350都要难了[无语][无语][无语]

@曲无音:$特斯拉(TSLA)$ 最不争气的一集

01-31

如果丰田一年十亿刀那特斯拉可以到10块钱了你在想什么呢？

2024-09-28

$爱奇艺(IQ)$ 目标定个十五倍市盈[贱笑]

2024-09-25

$奈飞(NFLX)$ 赌一波财报后下跌，就当买了一版刮刮卡。

2024-09-25

$爱奇艺(IQ)$ 再入一点，现在平均成本2.135[笑哭]

2024-09-19

$蔚来(NIO)$ 短期看涨，长期看空，工厂多少钱不知道，但是一个月的薪资就得1亿欧元左右加报税一个月人工开支在2亿欧元，以蔚来在欧洲的销量这比百分之1000关税还高了吧。除非是在欧洲生产乐道。

2024-09-19

$涂鸦智能(TUYA)$ 短期肯定没机会，插个眼。

2024-09-18

$爱奇艺(IQ)$ 应该压不住了。这价格如果不是财务造假和白送有什么区别。

2024-07-12

$特斯拉(TSLA)$ 昨天242抄底成功。看到盘后都吓坏了。还好今天争气。

2024-07-11

$特斯拉(TSLA)$ 这轮应该结束了。按照之前的尿性应该是稳几天然后到230-240，反复折磨。然后财报前再拉上[笑哭]

2024-07-10

$能链智电(NAAS)$ 好一个杀猪盘。都已经资不抵债了。

2024-07-05

$知乎(ZH)$ 下期财报有大雷。两年前买一送一的知乎会员到期了，现在新的价格是190多包年。拭目以待。希望多拉点。我财报前空一波。

2024-07-05

$特斯拉(TSLA)$ 长期看涨。短期有点悬。特斯拉这一拉好多阿猫阿狗都出来唱多了。早干什么去了。现在小红书好多无脑看涨。大家可以考虑减持部分等回调做t了。

2024-07-03

$英伟达(NVDA)$ 佩神来了。大家躺好。

2024-06-21

$英伟达(NVDA)$ 昨天流出大于流入，今天流入大于流出。还真的是四巫日杀一波期权

2024-05-28

$特斯拉(TSLA)$ 其实一直忽略的一点是马斯克说过和一家车企在谈fsd授权，不知道什么时候能谈成，谈成了就是下一轮起飞的起点。

2024-05-24

$小米集团-W(01810)$ 小米藏了个大雷，就是汽车业务的亏损。有没有人知道更多

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justify;\">而蔚来则是需要全力解决由于新旧平台更新、供应链等一系列原因所导致的蔚来新旧车型交替下的销量不佳问题，无论是何种原因导致月销量屡屡在万辆水平以下，留给蔚来的时间不多了，在惨烈的竞争中，竞争对手也不会给蔚来足够的时间，蔚来需要尽快提速完成新车型转化为新销量的效率。</p><h2 style=\"text-align: start;\">1、G9发行不顺，P7i交付慢，小鹏面临的竞争对手和强度高</h2><p style=\"text-align: justify;\">随着国内新能源汽车渗透率持续维持在30%以上水平，新能源车企的竞争对手早已不是新能源开荒时期的燃油车企，而是存量的新能源车企。</p><p style=\"text-align: justify;\">换而言之，目前市场中，无论消费者购买新能源汽车的理由是出于限车牌城市的便利，新能源汽车的高智能化，还是补能的成本优势，只要选择了新能源汽车，其作为对比的车型也将是新能源汽车车型。</p><p style=\"text-align: justify;\">而目前来看，新能源汽车市场中，小鹏面临的所处价格区间的纯电动市场的竞争格局，从竞争对手和竞争强度来看，要远高过于理想所面对的插电混动（包括增程式）市场。</p><p style=\"text-align: justify;\">其中，小鹏的主力车型的价格区间集中在15万元-30万元左右（包括小鹏的P7，P5和G3，高价位的G9暂时还未被市场完全接纳），不仅新能源汽车巨头特斯拉和比亚迪的爆款车型如Model3和比亚迪汉均位于这个价格区间，而且从低端市场向中端市场进发的二线新势力如哪吒的车型S，亦或是转型迅速后来居上的广汽埃安的V和LX等都在这个价格区间。</p><p style=\"text-align: justify;\">总的来看，小鹏所处的这个中端市场的产品同质化偏高，又面临高端市场车企的下沉和低端市场车企的向上开拓的压力。</p><p style=\"text-align: justify;\">而小鹏想进行高价位突破的G9发行不顺，改款P7i有所增长但是由于老版本P7清理库存较慢（新老版本配置差距大，但是价格相差也就4万元左右，老P7性价比已经不在，而P7i交付过慢，虽然订单过万，但是交付期高达8周），显然还不够撑起整个大局，所以小鹏肩上的担子较为沉重，想要从中杀出重围面临的压力还很大。</p><p style=\"text-align: justify;\">这也导致小鹏的销量持续5个季度下滑，从2022年一季度的3.5万辆降至今年一季度的1.8万辆，销量不佳叠加价格战也导致小鹏一季度的汽车毛利率直接跌至负数-2.5%，这是小鹏近三年以来首次出现负的汽车毛利率，小鹏今年后续的几个老车型如P5和G3的改款车型能否助力小鹏销量迅速回暖，从而重新拉回市场和消费者的关注，是小鹏接下来重回巅峰的重中之重。</p><p style=\"text-align: justify;\">反观理想，考虑到其增程式车型、30万以上的价格因素和超大6座和7座SUV细分市场以后，理想的直接竞争对手基本上缩减了一大半，而且很多还未完全上市，比如问界的M9和长城蓝山等，对标理想的车型在这些车型上市后才迎来真正的竞争，目前来看理想和小鹏两者的竞争压力和强度基本上是两个维度。</p><h2 style=\"text-align: start;\">2、蔚来的新车型转化新销量的效率太低</h2><p style=\"text-align: justify;\">而坚持做高端的蔚来的主力车型此前维持在40万元以上，随着ET5的上市，也进入了30万元的区间，总的来说处于32万元-55万元区间，价格区间的竞争压力不是蔚来的主要矛盾，蔚来持续不断的新车型推出，包括新旧平台升级换代，和后续新车型转化为新销量的效率实在太低。</p><p style=\"text-align: justify;\">新车型的推陈出新的确是好事，表现出了车企的活力和创新力，但是由于平台更新、供应链等问题导致蔚来的新旧车型交替迟迟难以解决，使得销量也屡屡不佳，今年一季度只能说勉强站住月销万辆的临界值，且在二季度又跌破，总的来看，留给蔚来的时间不多了，关键是在惨烈的竞争中，竞争对手也不会给蔚来足够的时间。</p><p style=\"text-align: justify;\">此外，从另一个角度来看，过快的新车型的推出和较低的销量转化效率，也侧面表现本身的产品力的不足，例如特斯拉的主力车型Model 3和Model Y都经历了6年和4年的长时间的考验，依旧是市场上的爆款车型，直到今年特斯拉才准备对Model 3进行第一次改款升级。蔚来的确有必要提提速，为消费者和市场增添对自家品牌的信心。</p><p style=\"text-align: justify;\">反观理想，被诟病单核车型许久的理想，当时的销量就在月销万辆左右，在成功转型三核阵容L9、L8和L7以后， 今年一季度理想基本上站稳了2万辆的水平。</p><p style=\"text-align: justify;\">而且根据理想对于2023年二季度的销量指引来看，公司预计二季度汽车交付量为7.6万辆至8.1万辆，月销量平均水平已经来到2.5万辆以上，甚至有望冲一冲3万辆大关。理想的确做到了车型的增加从而带动了销量的提升，而不是车型内部的相互消耗。</p><p style=\"text-align: justify;\">理想产品架构和车型的完善，也使得今年一季度理想的利润不仅由负数转正，还创下了历史新高，达到了9.3亿元。随着明年首款纯电车型上市，理想接下来需要着重考虑的是，在自身车型得到丰富的同时，能否与旗下作为基石的增程式车型形成良好的化学反应，这将是理想能否维持乃至扩大自己优势的重中之重。</p></body></html>","source":"lsy1574316446112","collect":0,"html":"<!DOCTYPE html>\n<html>\n<head>\n<meta content=\"text/html; charset=utf-8\" http-equiv=\"Content-Type\"/>\n<meta content=\"width=device-width,initial-scale=1.0,minimum-scale=1.0,maximum-scale=1.0,user-scalable=no\" name=\"viewport\"/>\n<meta content=\"telephone=no,email=no,address=no\" 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