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马斯克怒怼ESG,这是为什么?
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poster=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/a6d58d1f1307f2b037f8c750ce115004\" playsinline=\"true\" webkit-playsinline=\"true\" tg-width=\"1920\" tg-height=\"1080\">\n <source src=\"https://1254107296.vod2.myqcloud.com/73ba5544vodgzp1254107296/07208b52387702300717444992/SAob347VcA8A.mp4\" type=\"video/mp4\">\n</video><p>马斯克在5月8日怒怼ESG评分?事情是这样的,有一名网友转发了一条新闻,新闻的标题大概意思是,特斯拉呼吁大型基金不要因为ESG评分误导投资者。然后马斯克回复了这名网友,说要停止这假的让人发指的ESG评估,还说原油公司的ESG评分都比特斯拉好。反应还挺激烈,用了两个感叹号。</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/497a5ffb33128cbcd8836c0810c55f66\" tg-width=\"593\" tg-height=\"731\"></p><p>其实早在4月下旬,马斯克就表达过这个观点。当时网上泄露马斯克和比尔盖茨的聊天记录,发现比尔盖茨做空了特斯拉5亿美金。有网友就给比尔盖茨圆场,说做空特斯拉是因为特斯拉的ESG评分只有平均水平。还说做多原油公司壳牌是因为壳牌的ESG评分比特斯拉要高。</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/c6189047654280ef1c2666c0ce9f206e\" tg-width=\"609\" tg-height=\"712\"></p><p>马斯克马上回了一句,ESG评分就是无厘头。</p><p>ESG果真是没有道理吗?我们可以用路孚特(Refinitiv)的ESG评分来玩个游戏,在路孚特的ESG评分中,分数越高越ESG,我们给出两家公司为一组,猜猜哪家公司分数更高。</p><p>第一组是原油公司壳牌和风能公司维斯塔斯,你猜谁的分数高?</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/757cc2c363b2acad870a173c10a83c50\" tg-width=\"632\" tg-height=\"308\"></p><p>壳牌88分,维斯塔斯77分,壳牌胜出。路孚特评分给出的理由,虽然壳牌是原油公司,不过他们在自己所处的行业非常领先,在原油和天然气开采的领域对环境做出了贡献。此外,ESG不仅仅对环境评分,还有公司治理。路孚特认为壳牌的公司治理更加好,给了98分的高分。这简直就是不给你满分,是担心你骄傲的节奏。有意思的是,壳牌作为化石能源公司,在环境上获得87分,而维斯塔斯是80分。What?</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/473693180cbb0d72adb401de8b4690de\" tg-width=\"632\" tg-height=\"238\"></p><p>第二组是特斯拉和福特汽车,猜猜哪家的分数更高?</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/5150736c5791ee962d80ec76ff8f5c67\" tg-width=\"632\" tg-height=\"305\"></p><p>特斯拉57分,福特83分,福特胜出。如果对比上一组的结果,会发现福特的ESG评分比风能公司维斯塔斯还要高分。</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/9b8cc0679e61e0d420a0e7d6a60b6af2\" tg-width=\"632\" tg-height=\"225\"></p><p>路孚特认为特斯拉管理层对员工苛刻,所以社会责任很低分,只有43分。如果把善待员工放在重要的位置,这能理解。不过特斯拉的环境评分只有68分,福特却有92分。路孚特认为新能源车的上游涉及锂矿的开采,对环境产生影响。这好像说到福特的上游就没有矿业开采公司一样,而福特的燃油车温室气体排放量肯定比特斯拉高呀。</p><p>通过这两组对比应该理解为什么马斯克说ESG评分无厘头了吧,从机构对ESG评分的解释来看,也是非常无厘头的。这算不算操纵ESG评分呢?往更深层次去思考,如果某些金融服务是围绕ESG评分高的公司展开的,例如发行低息的绿色债券。在ESG评分机制如此摸不着头脑的情况下,是不是有很大“操作空间”呢?那么你有是怎么看的呢?</p><p><a target=\"_blank\" href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/ESG\">$FlexShares STOXX US ESG Select Index Fund(ESG)$</a> <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/TSLA\">$特斯拉(TSLA)$</a> <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/SHEL\">$SHELL PLC SPON ADS EACH REPR 2 ORD SHS(SHEL)$</a> </p></body></html>","htmlText":"<html><head></head><body>\n<video class=\"ql-video\" controls controlslist=\"nodownload\" poster=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/a6d58d1f1307f2b037f8c750ce115004\" playsinline=\"true\" webkit-playsinline=\"true\" tg-width=\"1920\" tg-height=\"1080\">\n <source src=\"https://1254107296.vod2.myqcloud.com/73ba5544vodgzp1254107296/07208b52387702300717444992/SAob347VcA8A.mp4\" type=\"video/mp4\">\n</video><p>马斯克在5月8日怒怼ESG评分?事情是这样的,有一名网友转发了一条新闻,新闻的标题大概意思是,特斯拉呼吁大型基金不要因为ESG评分误导投资者。然后马斯克回复了这名网友,说要停止这假的让人发指的ESG评估,还说原油公司的ESG评分都比特斯拉好。反应还挺激烈,用了两个感叹号。</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/497a5ffb33128cbcd8836c0810c55f66\" tg-width=\"593\" tg-height=\"731\"></p><p>其实早在4月下旬,马斯克就表达过这个观点。当时网上泄露马斯克和比尔盖茨的聊天记录,发现比尔盖茨做空了特斯拉5亿美金。有网友就给比尔盖茨圆场,说做空特斯拉是因为特斯拉的ESG评分只有平均水平。还说做多原油公司壳牌是因为壳牌的ESG评分比特斯拉要高。</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/c6189047654280ef1c2666c0ce9f206e\" tg-width=\"609\" tg-height=\"712\"></p><p>马斯克马上回了一句,ESG评分就是无厘头。</p><p>ESG果真是没有道理吗?我们可以用路孚特(Refinitiv)的ESG评分来玩个游戏,在路孚特的ESG评分中,分数越高越ESG,我们给出两家公司为一组,猜猜哪家公司分数更高。</p><p>第一组是原油公司壳牌和风能公司维斯塔斯,你猜谁的分数高?</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/757cc2c363b2acad870a173c10a83c50\" tg-width=\"632\" tg-height=\"308\"></p><p>壳牌88分,维斯塔斯77分,壳牌胜出。路孚特评分给出的理由,虽然壳牌是原油公司,不过他们在自己所处的行业非常领先,在原油和天然气开采的领域对环境做出了贡献。此外,ESG不仅仅对环境评分,还有公司治理。路孚特认为壳牌的公司治理更加好,给了98分的高分。这简直就是不给你满分,是担心你骄傲的节奏。有意思的是,壳牌作为化石能源公司,在环境上获得87分,而维斯塔斯是80分。What?</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/473693180cbb0d72adb401de8b4690de\" tg-width=\"632\" tg-height=\"238\"></p><p>第二组是特斯拉和福特汽车,猜猜哪家的分数更高?</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/5150736c5791ee962d80ec76ff8f5c67\" tg-width=\"632\" tg-height=\"305\"></p><p>特斯拉57分,福特83分,福特胜出。如果对比上一组的结果,会发现福特的ESG评分比风能公司维斯塔斯还要高分。</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/9b8cc0679e61e0d420a0e7d6a60b6af2\" tg-width=\"632\" tg-height=\"225\"></p><p>路孚特认为特斯拉管理层对员工苛刻,所以社会责任很低分,只有43分。如果把善待员工放在重要的位置,这能理解。不过特斯拉的环境评分只有68分,福特却有92分。路孚特认为新能源车的上游涉及锂矿的开采,对环境产生影响。这好像说到福特的上游就没有矿业开采公司一样,而福特的燃油车温室气体排放量肯定比特斯拉高呀。</p><p>通过这两组对比应该理解为什么马斯克说ESG评分无厘头了吧,从机构对ESG评分的解释来看,也是非常无厘头的。这算不算操纵ESG评分呢?往更深层次去思考,如果某些金融服务是围绕ESG评分高的公司展开的,例如发行低息的绿色债券。在ESG评分机制如此摸不着头脑的情况下,是不是有很大“操作空间”呢?那么你有是怎么看的呢?</p><p><a target=\"_blank\" href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/ESG\">$FlexShares STOXX US ESG Select Index Fund(ESG)$</a> <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/TSLA\">$特斯拉(TSLA)$</a> <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/SHEL\">$SHELL PLC SPON ADS EACH REPR 2 ORD SHS(SHEL)$</a> </p></body></html>","text":"马斯克在5月8日怒怼ESG评分?事情是这样的,有一名网友转发了一条新闻,新闻的标题大概意思是,特斯拉呼吁大型基金不要因为ESG评分误导投资者。然后马斯克回复了这名网友,说要停止这假的让人发指的ESG评估,还说原油公司的ESG评分都比特斯拉好。反应还挺激烈,用了两个感叹号。 其实早在4月下旬,马斯克就表达过这个观点。当时网上泄露马斯克和比尔盖茨的聊天记录,发现比尔盖茨做空了特斯拉5亿美金。有网友就给比尔盖茨圆场,说做空特斯拉是因为特斯拉的ESG评分只有平均水平。还说做多原油公司壳牌是因为壳牌的ESG评分比特斯拉要高。 马斯克马上回了一句,ESG评分就是无厘头。 ESG果真是没有道理吗?我们可以用路孚特(Refinitiv)的ESG评分来玩个游戏,在路孚特的ESG评分中,分数越高越ESG,我们给出两家公司为一组,猜猜哪家公司分数更高。 第一组是原油公司壳牌和风能公司维斯塔斯,你猜谁的分数高? 壳牌88分,维斯塔斯77分,壳牌胜出。路孚特评分给出的理由,虽然壳牌是原油公司,不过他们在自己所处的行业非常领先,在原油和天然气开采的领域对环境做出了贡献。此外,ESG不仅仅对环境评分,还有公司治理。路孚特认为壳牌的公司治理更加好,给了98分的高分。这简直就是不给你满分,是担心你骄傲的节奏。有意思的是,壳牌作为化石能源公司,在环境上获得87分,而维斯塔斯是80分。What? 第二组是特斯拉和福特汽车,猜猜哪家的分数更高? 特斯拉57分,福特83分,福特胜出。如果对比上一组的结果,会发现福特的ESG评分比风能公司维斯塔斯还要高分。 路孚特认为特斯拉管理层对员工苛刻,所以社会责任很低分,只有43分。如果把善待员工放在重要的位置,这能理解。不过特斯拉的环境评分只有68分,福特却有92分。路孚特认为新能源车的上游涉及锂矿的开采,对环境产生影响。这好像说到福特的上游就没有矿业开采公司一样,而福特的燃油车温室气体排放量肯定比特斯拉高呀。 通过这两组对比应该理解为什么马斯克说ESG评分无厘头了吧,从机构对ESG评分的解释来看,也是非常无厘头的。这算不算操纵ESG评分呢?往更深层次去思考,如果某些金融服务是围绕ESG评分高的公司展开的,例如发行低息的绿色债券。在ESG评分机制如此摸不着头脑的情况下,是不是有很大“操作空间”呢?那么你有是怎么看的呢? $FlexShares STOXX US ESG Select Index Fund(ESG)$ $特斯拉(TSLA)$ $SHELL PLC SPON ADS EACH REPR 2 ORD 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