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2021-01-05
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$蔚来(NIO)$
行情开始不平静,一个月期45的call的时间价值骤降,delta剧增,接下来的10天里还会延续这个趋势吗?我可能等不到下周,这两天有机会就要处置了。
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熊猫不是猫89
2021-01-05
熊猫不是猫89
这个怎么理解?
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熊猫不是猫89
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是不是因为时间价值减小了,所以股价(内在价值)对期权价值的影响变大了
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delta剧增
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哪个?
米苏
2021-01-05
米苏
call -1手和put有啥区别?
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米苏
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不客气,我也是新手,共同进步哈
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学到了,多谢多谢。
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适用的行情不同:买put是赌股价下跌,卖call是赌股价不会涨太多(赌股价稳定);风险收益特征不同:买put收益无限亏损有限,卖call收益有限风险无限。
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