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“英伟达造假论”在外网炸锅了！Coreweave是何方神圣？

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“英伟达造假论”在外网炸锅了！Coreweave是何方神圣？

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A company is using their Nvidia graphics processing chips as collateral for billions in loans -- that doesn&#39;t sound right, does it? As Nvidia (NVDA) shares fell 3.1% to close at $470.61 on Wednesday, Bernstein analyst Stacy Rasgon must have been hearing from clients all day who were worried after reading the most recent conspiracy theory on why Nvidia&#39;s 222% year-to-date stock gain must somehow be fixed. &#34;Recently there have been a couple of Nvidia short theses circulating widely on social media,&#34; Rasgon wrote in a note titled &#34;Please don&#39;t get your investment thesis from Twitter randos.&#34; &#34;They are, for the most part, puerile,&#34; he said, adding that clients keep asking about them, and whether or not they could be moving the stock. &#34;Hence we (very grudgingly) write this note today.&#34; Rasgon has an outperform rating on Nvidia&#39;s stock and a $675 price target. Of the 51 analysts who cover Nvidia, 47 have buy ratings, and four have hold ratings, with an average target price of $649.22, according to FactSet. The first &#34;thesis&#34; Rasgon shot down was that while Nvidia&#39;s revenue more than doubled from a year ago, their cost of goods sold crept up only 7%, &#34;hence something must be &#39;wrong.&#39;&#34; Nvidia&#39;s data-center sales topped Wall Street expectations by more than $2 billion, while the company&#39;s revenue forecast for the third quarter was more than $3 billion higher than expected. &#34;This is nonsense,&#34; Rasgon wrote. The analyst explained that Nvidia took $1.34 billion in charges that included about $1.22 billion in inventory reserves and that &#34;ran through COGS in the year-ago quarter,&#34; when it appeared Nvidia was melting down. Looking closer, Rasgon said that when those charges were excluded, COGS actually increased by about 70% in the second quarter from a year ago, which was &#34;entirely normal&#34; given the year-over-year strength in data-center sales. Also read: Intel gets surprise data-center tailwind as it looks toward &#39;meaningful&#39; AI growth next year The second &#34;thesis&#34; concerned GPU cloud vendor Coreweave Inc., which recently listed its Nvidia AI chips as collateral in financing $2.3 billion in debt led by Blackstone Inc. (BX) and Magnetar Capital. Since Nvidia is an investor in Coreweave, Rasgon said &#34;internet innuendo has effectively implied Nvidia used this to stuff the channel (pointing to it as driving their data-center beat in the quarter) as well as accusing Nvidia of other nefarious intents given their investment in Coreweave.&#34; For more: AMD CEO Lisa Su says interest in new AI chip is translating into sales &#34;Beyond somewhat hilariously confusing &#39;Blackstone&#39; with &#39;Blackrock&#39; during the process, this is also nonsense,&#34; Rasgon wrote. &#34;Nvidia did not need help from Coreweave (or anyone) to juice the quarter (their products are all on allocation), and the debt facility was announced Aug. 3 (after the quarter was completed) with the release suggesting deployment has likely not happened yet.&#34; Rasgon noted that Nvidia not only invests in Coreweave but other AI startups like Hugging Face Inc., Activ Surgical Inc., AI21 Labs Ltd., Skydio Inc., and Superluminal Medicines Inc. &#34;And as companies like Coreweave build businesses based on Nvidia GPUs, it is in Nvidia&#39;s interest to see them succeed given their presence offers a counter to the threat of bigger [cloud service providers] developing their own internal AI offerings,&#34; Rasgon said.<blockquote>以下为ChatGPT翻译：由华尔士·维特科夫斯基（Wallace Witkowski）撰写伯恩斯坦分析师无法相信自己不得不驳斥阴谋论：“然而，事实却是如此…”尽管英伟达（NVDA）的收入翻了一番，但成本几乎没有增长，所以一定有什么可疑之处，对吧？一家公司正在将他们的英伟达图形处理芯片作为数十亿美元贷款的抵押品——这听起来不对劲，对吧？随着英伟达股价在周三下跌3.1%，收盘价为470.61美元，伯恩斯坦分析师斯泰西·拉斯贡（Stacy Rasgon）整天都在收到客户对英伟达担忧的电话，因为他们阅读了关于为什么英伟达今年迄今为止的股价上涨了222%，肯定存在问题的最新阴谋论。&#34;最近社交媒体上流传着一些关于英伟达的做空论点，&#34;拉斯贡在一份名为&#34;请不要从Twitter随便看投资论点&#34;的报告中写道。&#34;它们在很大程度上是幼稚的，&#34;他说，并补充说，客户一直在询问这些论点，以及它们是否可能影响股价。&#34;因此，我们（非常不情愿地）今天写了这份报告。&#34;拉斯贡对英伟达的股票给予了跑赢市场评级，目标价为675美元。根据FactSet的数据，覆盖英伟达的51位分析师中，有47位给予买入评级，4位给予持有评级，平均目标价为649.22美元。拉斯贡首先驳斥的&#34;论点&#34;是，虽然英伟达的收入与一年前相比翻了一番，但他们的销售成本仅增长了7%，&#34;因此一定有什么&#39;问题&#39;。&#34;英伟达的数据中心销售超过了华尔街预期超过20亿美元，而该公司对第三季度的收入预测比预期高30多亿美元。&#34;这纯属无稽之谈，&#34;拉斯贡写道。分析师解释说，英伟达的费用中包括了大约12.2亿美元的库存准备金，这在一年前的季度&#34;算进了销售成本&#34;，当时英伟达看起来正在逐渐崩溃。拉斯贡说，当排除这些费用时，与一年前相比，第二季度的销售成本实际上增加了约70%，这是&#34;完全正常的&#34;，考虑到数据中心销售的年度增长。也可阅读：英特尔在展望明年的&#34;有意义的&#34;人工智能增长时，意外获得了数据中心的顺风耳语第二个&#34;论点&#34;涉及GPU 云供应商Coreweave Inc.，该公司最近将其英伟达H100芯片列为由 Blackstone Inc.（BX）和 Magnetar Capital 领导的23亿美元债务的抵押品。由于英伟达是 Coreweave 的投资者，拉斯贡表示，&#34;互联网流言蜚语实际上已经暗示英伟达利用了这一点来推动市场发展（将其指向在该季度推动数据中心增长），并指责英伟达因其对 Coreweave 的投资而怀有其他邪恶意图。&#34;关于这一点，拉斯贡写道：&#34;除了在过程中有点滑稽地将&#39;Blackstone&#39;与&#39;Blackrock&#39;混淆之外，这也是胡说八道。英伟达不需要来自 Coreweave（或任何人）的帮助来刺激该季度的销量（他们的产品都已经分配出去了），而且这项债务协议是在8月3日宣布的（在季度完成后），发行方暗示部署可能尚未发生。&#34;拉斯贡指出，英伟达不仅投资于 Coreweave，还投资于其他人工智能初创公司，如 Hugging Face Inc.、Activ Surgical Inc.、AI21 Labs Ltd.、Skydio Inc. 和 Superluminal Medicines Inc.。&#34;而且，正如 Coreweave 等公司以英伟达的GPU为基础构建业务一样，对于英伟达来说，见证它们的成功符合其利益，因为它们的存在对抗了更大的云服务提供商内部开发其自己的人工智能产品的威胁，&#34;拉斯贡说。</blockquote></body></html>","source":"lsy1694095314608","collect":0,"html":"<!DOCTYPE html>\n<html>\n<head>\n<meta http-equiv=\"Content-Type\" content=\"text/html; 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A company is using their Nvidia graphics processing chips as collateral for billions in loans -- that doesn't sound right, does it? As Nvidia (NVDA) shares fell 3.1% to close at $470.61 on Wednesday, Bernstein analyst Stacy Rasgon must have been hearing from clients all day who were worried after reading the most recent conspiracy theory on why Nvidia's 222% year-to-date stock gain must somehow be fixed. \"Recently there have been a couple of Nvidia short theses circulating widely on social media,\" Rasgon wrote in a note titled \"Please don't get your investment thesis from Twitter randos.\" \"They are, for the most part, puerile,\" he said, adding that clients keep asking about them, and whether or not they could be moving the stock. \"Hence we (very grudgingly) write this note today.\" Rasgon has an outperform rating on Nvidia's stock and a $675 price target. Of the 51 analysts who cover Nvidia, 47 have buy ratings, and four have hold ratings, with an average target price of $649.22, according to FactSet. The first \"thesis\" Rasgon shot down was that while Nvidia's revenue more than doubled from a year ago, their cost of goods sold crept up only 7%, \"hence something must be 'wrong.'\" Nvidia's data-center sales topped Wall Street expectations by more than $2 billion, while the company's revenue forecast for the third quarter was more than $3 billion higher than expected. \"This is nonsense,\" Rasgon wrote. The analyst explained that Nvidia took $1.34 billion in charges that included about $1.22 billion in inventory reserves and that \"ran through COGS in the year-ago quarter,\" when it appeared Nvidia was melting down. Looking closer, Rasgon said that when those charges were excluded, COGS actually increased by about 70% in the second quarter from a year ago, which was \"entirely normal\" given the year-over-year strength in data-center sales. Also read: Intel gets surprise data-center tailwind as it looks toward 'meaningful' AI growth next year The second \"thesis\" concerned GPU cloud vendor Coreweave Inc., which recently listed its Nvidia AI chips as collateral in financing $2.3 billion in debt led by Blackstone Inc. (BX) and Magnetar Capital. Since Nvidia is an investor in Coreweave, Rasgon said \"internet innuendo has effectively implied Nvidia used this to stuff the channel (pointing to it as driving their data-center beat in the quarter) as well as accusing Nvidia of other nefarious intents given their investment in Coreweave.\" For more: AMD CEO Lisa Su says interest in new AI chip is translating into sales \"Beyond somewhat hilariously confusing 'Blackstone' with 'Blackrock' during the process, this is also nonsense,\" Rasgon wrote. \"Nvidia did not need help from Coreweave (or anyone) to juice the quarter (their products are all on allocation), and the debt facility was announced Aug. 3 (after the quarter was completed) with the release suggesting deployment has likely not happened yet.\" Rasgon noted that Nvidia not only invests in Coreweave but other AI startups like Hugging Face Inc., Activ Surgical Inc., AI21 Labs Ltd., Skydio Inc., and Superluminal Medicines Inc. \"And as companies like Coreweave build businesses based on Nvidia GPUs, it is in Nvidia's interest to see them succeed given their presence offers a counter to the threat of bigger [cloud service providers] developing their own internal AI offerings,\" Rasgon said.以下为ChatGPT翻译：由华尔士·维特科夫斯基（Wallace Witkowski）撰写伯恩斯坦分析师无法相信自己不得不驳斥阴谋论：“然而，事实却是如此…”尽管英伟达（NVDA）的收入翻了一番，但成本几乎没有增长，所以一定有什么可疑之处，对吧？一家公司正在将他们的英伟达图形处理芯片作为数十亿美元贷款的抵押品——这听起来不对劲，对吧？随着英伟达股价在周三下跌3.1%，收盘价为470.61美元，伯恩斯坦分析师斯泰西·拉斯贡（Stacy Rasgon）整天都在收到客户对英伟达担忧的电话，因为他们阅读了关于为什么英伟达今年迄今为止的股价上涨了222%，肯定存在问题的最新阴谋论。\"最近社交媒体上流传着一些关于英伟达的做空论点，\"拉斯贡在一份名为\"请不要从Twitter随便看投资论点\"的报告中写道。\"它们在很大程度上是幼稚的，\"他说，并补充说，客户一直在询问这些论点，以及它们是否可能影响股价。\"因此，我们（非常不情愿地）今天写了这份报告。\"拉斯贡对英伟达的股票给予了跑赢市场评级，目标价为675美元。根据FactSet的数据，覆盖英伟达的51位分析师中，有47位给予买入评级，4位给予持有评级，平均目标价为649.22美元。拉斯贡首先驳斥的\"论点\"是，虽然英伟达的收入与一年前相比翻了一番，但他们的销售成本仅增长了7%，\"因此一定有什么'问题'。\"英伟达的数据中心销售超过了华尔街预期超过20亿美元，而该公司对第三季度的收入预测比预期高30多亿美元。\"这纯属无稽之谈，\"拉斯贡写道。分析师解释说，英伟达的费用中包括了大约12.2亿美元的库存准备金，这在一年前的季度\"算进了销售成本\"，当时英伟达看起来正在逐渐崩溃。拉斯贡说，当排除这些费用时，与一年前相比，第二季度的销售成本实际上增加了约70%，这是\"完全正常的\"，考虑到数据中心销售的年度增长。也可阅读：英特尔在展望明年的\"有意义的\"人工智能增长时，意外获得了数据中心的顺风耳语第二个\"论点\"涉及GPU 云供应商Coreweave Inc.，该公司最近将其英伟达H100芯片列为由 Blackstone Inc.（BX）和 Magnetar Capital 领导的23亿美元债务的抵押品。由于英伟达是 Coreweave 的投资者，拉斯贡表示，\"互联网流言蜚语实际上已经暗示英伟达利用了这一点来推动市场发展（将其指向在该季度推动数据中心增长），并指责英伟达因其对 Coreweave 的投资而怀有其他邪恶意图。\"关于这一点，拉斯贡写道：\"除了在过程中有点滑稽地将'Blackstone'与'Blackrock'混淆之外，这也是胡说八道。英伟达不需要来自 Coreweave（或任何人）的帮助来刺激该季度的销量（他们的产品都已经分配出去了），而且这项债务协议是在8月3日宣布的（在季度完成后），发行方暗示部署可能尚未发生。\"拉斯贡指出，英伟达不仅投资于 Coreweave，还投资于其他人工智能初创公司，如 Hugging Face Inc.、Activ Surgical Inc.、AI21 Labs Ltd.、Skydio Inc. 和 Superluminal Medicines Inc.。\"而且，正如 Coreweave 等公司以英伟达的GPU为基础构建业务一样，对于英伟达来说，见证它们的成功符合其利益，因为它们的存在对抗了更大的云服务提供商内部开发其自己的人工智能产品的威胁，\"拉斯贡说。","news_type":1},"isVote":1,"tweetType":1,"viewCount":809,"commentLimit":10,"likeStatus":false,"favoriteStatus":false,"reportStatus":false,"symbols":[],"verified":2,"subType":0,"readableState":1,"langContent":"CN","currentLanguage":"CN","warmUpFlag":false,"orderFlag":false,"shareable":true,"causeOfNotShareable":"","featuresForAnalytics":[],"commentAndTweetFlag":false,"upFlag":false,"length":13,"xxTargetLangEnum":"ZH_CN"},"commentList":[],"hasMoreComment":false,"orderType":2}