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崛起,夺走了特斯拉销冠的名号。供应链问题频发,一度影响产能。车型的单一、老化,使得一部分消费者流向其他品牌。最终,特斯拉的收入增速大幅度下滑,全年股价跌去近7成。</p><p>某种程度上,眼下的理想也像2021年的特斯拉一样:成绩足够优秀,但隐忧依然存在,更是远远没到高枕无忧的地步。</p><p><strong>01 收入:销量一样好</strong></p><p>二季度,理想共交付8.65万台新车,同比增长201.6%。也是在第二季度,理想的月销量突破了3万大关。</p><p>由于单车售价的提高,二季度的收入增长还要更快一些,同比增长228.1%,达到286.5亿元,环比也增长了62.8%。</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/72eedcb34e498699b5295c4023e88fda\" title=\"\" tg-width=\"550\" tg-height=\"353\"/></p><p>收入结构来看,相较于<a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/NIO\">蔚来</a>和特斯拉,理想还是更依赖卖车,其他销售和服务收入仅为6.8亿元,占比还不到3%。且增速才173.4%,并没有交付量的增长快。</p><p>销量增长后,理想的渠道扩展速度也在变快。单季度开店32家,而上一季度,理想仅仅开了11家店。</p><p>不过理想的销售成本增加速度还算合理。二季度,理想销售、一般及管理费用为23.1亿元,同比增长74.3%,环比增加40.4%,均低于收入的增速。</p><p>作为蔚小理中研发占比长期垫底的一个,理想对研发投入的加大幅度有限。研发费用为24.3亿元,大幅度增加了58.4%。</p><p>绝对数字不算少,但在收入大增下,理想的研发费用占比显得很低:才刚过8%。相比业绩上的成功,这样的投入还是显得有些抠了。</p><p><strong>02 利润:能谈净利润的新势力</strong></p><p>挣得多,花得省,理想的利润数据因此特别好看。</p><p>在另外两家新势力还在为亏损头疼时,理想的赚钱能力已经越来越接近成熟车企。</p><p>二季度,理想的毛利率基本维持稳定,为21.8%,此消彼长后,已经超过了特斯拉的毛利率,进入全球 新能源车 企毛利率的第一梯队。</p><p>毛利达到62.4亿元,同比增长232%,环比增长62.7%。</p><p>经营利润为16.3亿,环比增加301%,同比扭亏为盈,去年同期为9.78亿元。</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/2aaf67db2ce3a439211c4705ff89b21d\" title=\"\" tg-width=\"550\" tg-height=\"282\"/></p><p>由于发展年头短,外界对新势力的数据考量很少提到净利润。但进入今年第二季度,理想的净利润数据已经达到了成熟车企水平。</p><p>二季度,理想净利润高达23.1亿元,同比扭亏为盈,环比增长147.4%。Non-GAAP净利润达到了27.3亿元,净利率直逼10%。已经达到了丰田在2022年、以及比亚迪在今年上半年的水平,这对于一家新势力来说十分不易。</p><p>连续优秀的利润表现后,理想的现金流已经养得非常健康。</p><p>二季度,理想经营现金流为111.1亿元,同比翻了十倍,环比增长42.8%。自由现金流为96.2亿元,环比增长43.6%。现金及等价物高达737.7亿元,同比增长近90亿元。</p><p><a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/NIO.SI\">蔚来</a>小鹏刚刚接受了外界投资,而理想这边的钱几乎多到可以投资别人。</p><p><strong>03 新动向:新的收入增长点?</strong></p><p>8月3日,理想发布了L9 Pro。相比此前的版本降价3万元,并对芯片、激光雷达、摄像头等配置进行缩水,最终弱化了其辅助驾驶能力。算是一种“降价减配”。</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/27e19690a256b2a80875cdb52ac34460\" title=\"\" tg-width=\"550\" tg-height=\"910\"/></p><p>此前,蔚来也通过去掉换电服务实现了3万元的降价,并换来了月销量突破两万的回报。而<a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/LI\">理想汽车</a>从成立以来一直不以<a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/5RE.SI\">智能</a>化能力著称,这种降价减配方式更容易被消费者接受。根据汽车网站的投票,大约4成的消费者愿意选择缩水的Pro版本。</p><p>作为价格战为数不多的“遗珠”,理想L系列上市以来一直没有降价消息,理想L9 Pro的发售算是第一次,此举有望再次提振理想的月销量。</p><p>理想二季度的另一个重大项目,来自智能驾驶。</p><p>在6月份的家庭科技日活动上,理想展示了城市 NOA 与通勤 NOA 的开放计划。据发布会介绍,理想通勤 NOA 通过 AI 大模型的帮助,不依赖高精地图,可以做到接近人类司机的驾驶表现。</p><p>这一服务并不收费,但必须要AD max系统的车型才能用,也就是L系列的最高配车型才有。</p><p>这意味着,理想的辅助驾驶系统可以帮助品牌单车价格获得3-4万元的提升,也算是间接的卖智能驾驶包了。</p><p>此外,二季度,理想还公布了品牌的第一台纯电汽车:MEGA。</p><p>该车属于MPV,将于今年四季度发布。按照发布会的说法,MEGA将打破高端纯电车无爆款的现状,并成为50万以上全品类最畅销的乘用车,不论能源类型或车型。</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/253fd9069ce482f006e173a4db22bbaf\" title=\"\" tg-width=\"550\" tg-height=\"332\"/></p><p>不过目前的数据,国内MPV单车的月销量冠军大多在1万台出头,MPV想超过各类<a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/DLX\">豪华</a>SUV和轿车,难度远比L系列的成绩大得多。</p><p><strong>04 隐忧:理想有裂痕吗?</strong></p><p>理想的势头,很像是2021年的特斯拉。</p><p>那一年,特斯拉营收超过了500亿美元,同比大增71%,净利润达到55.2亿美元,同比大增665%,完成连续10个季度盈利。</p><p>彼时的特斯拉风头正盛,几乎找不到任何弱点:销量上,特斯拉已经成为了全球第一新能源车企,价位也集中在高端。相比理想,特斯拉还有强大的技术能力,以及马斯克个人魅力加持下的独特品牌价值。</p><p>几乎想不出特斯拉怎么输。</p><p>然而短短一年后,特斯拉就迎来了至暗时刻。整个2022年,特斯拉的股价下滑约69%,接近7成股价蒸发,直到今天还没缓过来。</p><p>那一年,特斯拉依然在高歌猛进,但速度比前两年明显慢了太多。由于疫情导致的供应链问题,各地对电动车取消补助、产能不足、以及竞争对手崛起等种种原因,2022年没有达到交付量增加50%的销量目标。</p><p>特别是在中国市场。此前两年,特斯拉在中国市场的收入都以100%以上的速度暴涨着。但来到2022年,特斯拉在华营收大降至31%。远低于51%的总增速。</p><p>这当然离不开中国市场对手的强劲,尤其是马斯克此前瞧不起的比亚迪。</p><p>整个2022年,比亚迪卖了186.85万辆车,同比增长152.5%,一举超过特斯拉的131万辆,成为全球第一新能源车企。在中国市场,比亚迪汉和比亚迪唐严重侵蚀着特斯拉的市场空间。</p><p>就连特斯拉前董事会成员也不得不承认“特斯拉第一次有了一个真正的挑战者。”</p><p>眼下,理想的挑战者也不少。</p><p>蔚来的月销量再次破两万,重新获得和理想坐在一张桌子的机会。长城的蓝山销量初具规模,比亚迪的腾势N8已经上市。30万以上的高端SUV的丰厚利润,已经有越来越多的品牌眼馋。</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/9356743ce932f3c7191755736391b6b8\" title=\"\" tg-width=\"550\" tg-height=\"978\"/></p><p>汽车行业不是电力或烟草,没有绝对的位置优势。汽车也不是互联网社交,能像微信一样独占市场。这里有一个又一个虎视眈眈的对手,试图用更低的价格,更高的配置,更独特的设计来颠覆守擂者。即使强如特斯拉、理想,也不敢说高枕无忧。</p><p>马斯克在去年曾经感慨:“前方有暴风雨天气,但之后会有阳光。”对理想来说,当下当然是阳光灿烂,但保不齐前面也有暴风雨。舒适区的安稳日子,还远远没有到来。</p></body></html>","source":"ldck","collect":0,"html":"<!DOCTYPE html>\n<html>\n<head>\n<meta http-equiv=\"Content-Type\" content=\"text/html; charset=utf-8\" />\n<meta name=\"viewport\" content=\"width=device-width,initial-scale=1.0,minimum-scale=1.0,maximum-scale=1.0,user-scalable=no\"/>\n<meta name=\"format-detection\" content=\"telephone=no,email=no,address=no\" />\n<title>理想的破绽,在财报之外</title>\n<style 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收入:销量一样好二季度,理想共交付8.65万台新车,同比增长201.6%。也是在第二季度,理想的月销量突破了3万大关。由于单车售价的提高,二季度的收入增长还要更快一些,同比增长228.1%,达到286.5亿元,环比也增长了62.8%。收入结构来看,相较于蔚来和特斯拉,理想还是更依赖卖车,其他销售和服务收入仅为6.8亿元,占比还不到3%。且增速才173.4%,并没有交付量的增长快。销量增长后,理想的渠道扩展速度也在变快。单季度开店32家,而上一季度,理想仅仅开了11家店。不过理想的销售成本增加速度还算合理。二季度,理想销售、一般及管理费用为23.1亿元,同比增长74.3%,环比增加40.4%,均低于收入的增速。作为蔚小理中研发占比长期垫底的一个,理想对研发投入的加大幅度有限。研发费用为24.3亿元,大幅度增加了58.4%。绝对数字不算少,但在收入大增下,理想的研发费用占比显得很低:才刚过8%。相比业绩上的成功,这样的投入还是显得有些抠了。02 利润:能谈净利润的新势力挣得多,花得省,理想的利润数据因此特别好看。在另外两家新势力还在为亏损头疼时,理想的赚钱能力已经越来越接近成熟车企。二季度,理想的毛利率基本维持稳定,为21.8%,此消彼长后,已经超过了特斯拉的毛利率,进入全球 新能源车 企毛利率的第一梯队。毛利达到62.4亿元,同比增长232%,环比增长62.7%。经营利润为16.3亿,环比增加301%,同比扭亏为盈,去年同期为9.78亿元。由于发展年头短,外界对新势力的数据考量很少提到净利润。但进入今年第二季度,理想的净利润数据已经达到了成熟车企水平。二季度,理想净利润高达23.1亿元,同比扭亏为盈,环比增长147.4%。Non-GAAP净利润达到了27.3亿元,净利率直逼10%。已经达到了丰田在2022年、以及比亚迪在今年上半年的水平,这对于一家新势力来说十分不易。连续优秀的利润表现后,理想的现金流已经养得非常健康。二季度,理想经营现金流为111.1亿元,同比翻了十倍,环比增长42.8%。自由现金流为96.2亿元,环比增长43.6%。现金及等价物高达737.7亿元,同比增长近90亿元。蔚来小鹏刚刚接受了外界投资,而理想这边的钱几乎多到可以投资别人。03 新动向:新的收入增长点?8月3日,理想发布了L9 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