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2021-12-10

Thanks.

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2021-12-08

Thanks! I regard this news as a notice that Apple share price will plunge to a reasonable level. That means buying the dip much more for me! [Cool]

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2021-12-05

Fortunately , I had never , have and will invest in this crypto madness! [Happy]

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2021-12-01

That's awesome!! Let's be positive that FDA will give its approval.. 😁

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2021-11-22

$ISDN HOLDINGS LIMITED(I07.SI)$Go up all the way![强]

2021-11-15

Yes agreed.

@思思不倦:$苹果(AAPL)$上端竞争力还是强一些

2021-11-15

Yes agreed.

@思思不倦:$苹果(AAPL)$上端竞争力还是强一些

2021-11-14

$Apple(AAPL)$Keep going up or down more! Either way is fine! 👍

2021-11-13

👍

@Labi_7718:$Apple(AAPL)$yes!

2021-11-10

$Tesla Motors(TSLA)$Yes! Keep on dropping!! [微笑]

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This statement may sound lucrac is to most Apple stock  investors, since the Cupertino company has been a cash-generating machine in the past many years. But even the management team knows this to be true.Today, the Apple Maven talks about what has been happening to the iPhone maker’s once giant pile of cash, and what the declining balances may mean for shareholders.To be fair, “running out of cash” in this context does not mean that Apple’s checking accounts a","content":"<p>Apple is about to run out of cash. This statement may sound lucrac&nbsp;is to most Apple stock&nbsp;(<b>AAPL</b>)&nbsp;investors, since the Cupertino company has been a cash-generating machine in the past many years. But even the management team&nbsp;knows&nbsp;this to be true.</p>\n<p>Today, the Apple Maven talks about what has been happening to the iPhone maker’s once giant pile of cash, and what the declining balances may mean for shareholders.</p>\n<p><b>Apple heading to net cash neutral</b></p>\n<p>To be fair, “running out of cash” in this context does not mean that Apple’s checking accounts at the bank will dry out. It simply means that the company’s debt balances will roughly offset its cash position — i.e. Apple will become net cash neutral.</p>\n<p>The chart below shows the evolution of Apple’s gross cash (blue bars) and net cash (orange bars) balances since 2011. Ten years ago was when then-CEO Steve Jobs stepped down and turned the control of the company over to then-COO Tim Cook.</p>\n<p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/435c5199979bc64d49899feed29d15fb\" tg-width=\"1200\" tg-height=\"723\" width=\"100%\" height=\"auto\"><span>Figure 2:Apple's cash position, fiscal 2012-2021.data from Seeking Alpha</span></p>\n<p>Starting in 2012, Apple began issuing debt for the first time in its history. By 2017, the company boasted the largest gross and net-of-debt cash balances that it had ever seen in its books. But since then, both numbers have been dwindling. This year’s $72 billion in net cash is less than half the amount of about four years ago.</p>\n<p><b>What happens when cash runs out?</b></p>\n<p>The chart below shows that, prior to Tim Cook as CEO, Apple was very timid at deploying its cash reserves. While capex and dividend payments increased quickly (large M&amp;A has never been a thing for Apple), buybacks skyrocketed. Apple has spent more than three times as much in share repurchases since 2018 than it did in capex and dividends combined.</p>\n<p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/e0ecee1dedf8551b616732dc7180c574\" tg-width=\"1200\" tg-height=\"694\" width=\"100%\" height=\"auto\"><span>Figure 3:Apple's cash deployment by major category.data from Seeking Alpha</span></p>\n<p>As Apple’s cash balance continues to dip, it is reasonable to expect the pace of share retirement to decline as well. This is true not only because of a leaner balance sheet, but because AAPL stock trades at a much richer price today — thus, it costs Apple more to buy back each share of its own equity.</p>\n<p>Why is this relevant for investors? Over the past decade, Apple’s shares outstanding have declined by 10 billion units to 16.7 billion. Share count is the denominator in EPS (earnings per share) and EPS is the denominator in price-to-earnings. Therefore, buybacks alone have probably been responsible for a good chunk of Apple stock’s climb in the past several years.</p>\n<p>At the current stock price of $165 apiece, Apple can afford to retire around 435 million more shares with its current net cash balance, or barely 3% of the float. After that point, the Cupertino company might need to scale back on repurchases or borrow in order to keep buying its stock.</p>\n<p><b>Should investors worry?</b></p>\n<p>I think that Apple stock could suffer, at least from deteriorated investor sentiment, if or once it begins to slow down the pace of its share buyback efforts. However, I also believe that this is only one aspect of the investment thesis that people should consider.</p>\n<p>I remain optimistic about Apple stock from a business fundamentals perspective. The Cupertino company seems to have found the sweet spot in demand for its products and services, which I believe bodes very well for AAPL in the foreseeable future.</p>","collect":0,"html":"<!DOCTYPE html>\n<html>\n<head>\n<meta http-equiv=\"Content-Type\" content=\"text/html; charset=utf-8\" />\n<meta name=\"viewport\" content=\"width=device-width,initial-scale=1.0,minimum-scale=1.0,maximum-scale=1.0,user-scalable=no\"/>\n<meta name=\"format-detection\" content=\"telephone=no,email=no,address=no\" />\n<title>Apple Stock: What Happens When The Cash Runs Out?</title>\n<style type=\"text/css\">\na,abbr,acronym,address,applet,article,aside,audio,b,big,blockquote,body,canvas,caption,center,cite,code,dd,del,details,dfn,div,dl,dt,\nem,embed,fieldset,figcaption,figure,footer,form,h1,h2,h3,h4,h5,h6,header,hgroup,html,i,iframe,img,ins,kbd,label,legend,li,mark,menu,nav,\nobject,ol,output,p,pre,q,ruby,s,samp,section,small,span,strike,strong,sub,summary,sup,table,tbody,td,tfoot,th,thead,time,tr,tt,u,ul,var,video{ font:inherit;margin:0;padding:0;vertical-align:baseline;border:0 }\nbody{ font-size:16px; line-height:1.5; color:#999; background:transparent; }\n.wrapper{ overflow:hidden;word-break:break-all;padding:10px; }\nh1,h2{ font-weight:normal; line-height:1.35; margin-bottom:.6em; }\nh3,h4,h5,h6{ line-height:1.35; margin-bottom:1em; }\nh1{ font-size:24px; }\nh2{ font-size:20px; }\nh3{ font-size:18px; }\nh4{ font-size:16px; }\nh5{ font-size:14px; }\nh6{ font-size:12px; }\np,ul,ol,blockquote,dl,table{ margin:1.2em 0; }\nul,ol{ margin-left:2em; }\nul{ list-style:disc; }\nol{ list-style:decimal; }\nli,li p{ margin:10px 0;}\nimg{ max-width:100%;display:block;margin:0 auto 1em; }\nblockquote{ color:#B5B2B1; border-left:3px solid #aaa; padding:1em; }\nstrong,b{font-weight:bold;}\nem,i{font-style:italic;}\ntable{ width:100%;border-collapse:collapse;border-spacing:1px;margin:1em 0;font-size:.9em; }\nth,td{ padding:5px;text-align:left;border:1px solid #aaa; }\nth{ font-weight:bold;background:#5d5d5d; }\n.symbol-link{font-weight:bold;}\n/* header{ border-bottom:1px solid #494756; } */\n.title{ margin:0 0 8px;line-height:1.3;color:#ddd; }\n.meta {color:#5e5c6d;font-size:13px;margin:0 0 .5em; }\na{text-decoration:none; color:#2a4b87;}\n.meta .head { display: inline-block; overflow: hidden}\n.head .h-thumb { width: 30px; height: 30px; margin: 0; padding: 0; border-radius: 50%; float: left;}\n.head .h-content { margin: 0; padding: 0 0 0 9px; float: left;}\n.head .h-name {font-size: 13px; color: #eee; margin: 0;}\n.head .h-time {font-size: 11px; color: #7E829C; margin: 0;line-height: 11px;}\n.small {font-size: 12.5px; display: inline-block; transform: scale(0.9); -webkit-transform: scale(0.9); transform-origin: left; -webkit-transform-origin: left;}\n.smaller {font-size: 12.5px; display: inline-block; transform: scale(0.8); -webkit-transform: scale(0.8); transform-origin: left; -webkit-transform-origin: left;}\n.bt-text {font-size: 12px;margin: 1.5em 0 0 0}\n.bt-text p {margin: 0}\n</style>\n</head>\n<body>\n<div class=\"wrapper\">\n<header>\n<h2 class=\"title\">\nApple Stock: What Happens When The Cash Runs Out?\n</h2>\n\n<h4 class=\"meta\">\n\n\n2021-12-08 11:26 GMT+8&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=https://www.thestreet.com/apple/stock/apple-stock-what-happens-when-the-cash-runs-out><strong>TheStreet</strong></a>\n\n\n</h4>\n\n</header>\n<article>\n<div>\n<p>Apple is about to run out of cash. This statement may sound lucrac is to most Apple stock (AAPL) investors, since the Cupertino company has been a cash-generating machine in the past many years. But ...</p>\n\n<a href=\"https://www.thestreet.com/apple/stock/apple-stock-what-happens-when-the-cash-runs-out\">Web Link</a>\n\n</div>\n\n\n</article>\n</div>\n</body>\n</html>\n","type":0,"thumbnail":"","relate_stocks":{"AAPL":"苹果"},"source_url":"https://www.thestreet.com/apple/stock/apple-stock-what-happens-when-the-cash-runs-out","is_english":true,"share_image_url":"https://static.laohu8.com/e9f99090a1c2ed51c021029395664489","article_id":"1105817084","content_text":"Apple is about to run out of cash. This statement may sound lucrac is to most Apple stock (AAPL) investors, since the Cupertino company has been a cash-generating machine in the past many years. But even the management team knows this to be true.\nToday, the Apple Maven talks about what has been happening to the iPhone maker’s once giant pile of cash, and what the declining balances may mean for shareholders.\nApple heading to net cash neutral\nTo be fair, “running out of cash” in this context does not mean that Apple’s checking accounts at the bank will dry out. It simply means that the company’s debt balances will roughly offset its cash position — i.e. Apple will become net cash neutral.\nThe chart below shows the evolution of Apple’s gross cash (blue bars) and net cash (orange bars) balances since 2011. Ten years ago was when then-CEO Steve Jobs stepped down and turned the control of the company over to then-COO Tim Cook.\nFigure 2:Apple's cash position, fiscal 2012-2021.data from Seeking Alpha\nStarting in 2012, Apple began issuing debt for the first time in its history. By 2017, the company boasted the largest gross and net-of-debt cash balances that it had ever seen in its books. But since then, both numbers have been dwindling. This year’s $72 billion in net cash is less than half the amount of about four years ago.\nWhat happens when cash runs out?\nThe chart below shows that, prior to Tim Cook as CEO, Apple was very timid at deploying its cash reserves. While capex and dividend payments increased quickly (large M&A has never been a thing for Apple), buybacks skyrocketed. Apple has spent more than three times as much in share repurchases since 2018 than it did in capex and dividends combined.\nFigure 3:Apple's cash deployment by major category.data from Seeking Alpha\nAs Apple’s cash balance continues to dip, it is reasonable to expect the pace of share retirement to decline as well. This is true not only because of a leaner balance sheet, but because AAPL stock trades at a much richer price today — thus, it costs Apple more to buy back each share of its own equity.\nWhy is this relevant for investors? Over the past decade, Apple’s shares outstanding have declined by 10 billion units to 16.7 billion. Share count is the denominator in EPS (earnings per share) and EPS is the denominator in price-to-earnings. Therefore, buybacks alone have probably been responsible for a good chunk of Apple stock’s climb in the past several years.\nAt the current stock price of $165 apiece, Apple can afford to retire around 435 million more shares with its current net cash balance, or barely 3% of the float. After that point, the Cupertino company might need to scale back on repurchases or borrow in order to keep buying its stock.\nShould investors worry?\nI think that Apple stock could suffer, at least from deteriorated investor sentiment, if or once it begins to slow down the pace of its share buyback efforts. However, I also believe that this is only one aspect of the investment thesis that people should consider.\nI remain optimistic about Apple stock from a business fundamentals perspective. The Cupertino company seems to have found the sweet spot in demand for its products and services, which I believe bodes very well for AAPL in the foreseeable future.","news_type":1},"isVote":1,"tweetType":1,"viewCount":1150,"authorTweetTopStatus":1,"verified":2,"comments":[{"author":{"id":"9000000000000695","authorId":"9000000000000695","name":"BaronLyly","avatar":"https://static.laohu8.com/default-avatar.jpg","crmLevel":1,"crmLevelSwitch":0,"authorIdStr":"9000000000000695","idStr":"9000000000000695"},"content":"Multiple factors have weighed on Apple's stock price, but its potential success in areas like augmented reality and self-driving cars may have people looking forward to its future!","text":"Multiple factors have weighed on Apple's stock price, but its potential success in areas like augmented reality and self-driving cars may have people looking forward to its future!","html":"Multiple factors have weighed on Apple's stock price, but its potential success in areas like augmented reality and self-driving cars may have people looking forward to its future!"}],"imageCount":0,"langContent":"CN","totalScore":0},{"id":605326927,"gmtCreate":1639117517866,"gmtModify":1639117594109,"author":{"id":"4099402595795420","authorId":"4099402595795420","name":"Nayazindagi","avatar":"https://static.tigerbbs.com/491906a0e23ae13ce2be00cf4d568603","crmLevel":5,"crmLevelSwitch":0,"followedFlag":false,"authorIdStr":"4099402595795420","idStr":"4099402595795420"},"themes":[],"htmlText":"Thanks.","listText":"Thanks.","text":"Thanks.","images":[],"top":1,"highlighted":1,"essential":1,"paper":1,"likeSize":4,"commentSize":2,"repostSize":0,"link":"https://laohu8.com/post/605326927","repostId":"1153652287","repostType":2,"repost":{"id":"1153652287","pubTimestamp":1639116079,"share":"https://www.laohu8.com/m/news/1153652287?lang=&edition=full","pubTime":"2021-12-10 14:01","market":"us","language":"en","title":"The Bears Have Spoken: Apple Stock Could Drop 18%","url":"https://stock-news.laohu8.com/highlight/detail?id=1153652287","media":"TheStreet","summary":"Apple stock (AAPL) continues to climb relentlessly on its way to the $3 trillion mark. But while Wal","content":"<p>Apple stock&nbsp;(<b>AAPL</b>)&nbsp;continues to climb relentlessly&nbsp;on its way to the $3 trillion mark. But while Wall Street still has a “strong buy” consensus&nbsp;rating&nbsp;on the name, not every analyst believes that AAPL will climb from its current peak of $174 in the foreseeable future.</p>\n<p>In the past couple of days, two experts who hold a neutral stance on Apple have spoken. One of them believes that the stock is worth only $142 apiece, suggesting 18% downside from current levels. Here is why these analysts are skeptical.</p>\n<p><b>Apple stock rises, but so do risks</b></p>\n<p>Goldman Sachs’ Rod Hall is a former bear who&nbsp;threw in the towel a few months ago&nbsp;and changed his position on AAPL from sell to neutral. However, according toTipRanks, the analyst has just restated his $142 price target on Apple stock, pointing at 18% downside risk following the impressive rally of the past few weeks.</p>\n<p>During a recent&nbsp;CNBC interview, Mr. Hall explained that he is cautious about AAPL mostly due to the company’s user base and average revenue generated per user. First, he sees subscriber growth slowing down to GDP levels. Second, Rod thinks that ARPU (average revenue per user) will stabilize, after spiking by what he estimates to be an impressive 20% during the thick of the pandemic.</p>\n<p>Goldman Sachs wraps up its not-so-bullish case by observing how a reduction in iPhone lead times in the US, Europe and China in the holiday period could be a sign of slowing demand. The rationale: if supply is constrained in 2021 and lead times have dropped, the missing piece in this equation is probably a decline in demand for the devices.</p>\n<p>Credit Suisse was the other research shop to&nbsp;publish&nbsp;recently on Apple. Analyst Sami Badri assumed coverage from Matthew Cabral, and had his chance to change the bank’s rating on AAPL from neutral. Instead, he reinforced the recommendation and set the price target at $150.</p>\n<p>Mr. Badri’spredecessor has often cited&nbsp;longer lead times as an indication of demand overwhelming supply. With the supply-demand dynamic now heading closer to a state of balance, this could be bad news for Apple in the short term — especially days after Bloomberg’s report that the Cupertino company&nbsp;may have overordered iPhone units&nbsp;for the holiday period.</p>\n<p><b>Apple Maven’s take</b></p>\n<p>I believe that more bearish cases against AAPL could surface as Apple stock moves higher. While I think that the argument against an investment here tends to lean too heavily on near-term risks (e.g. iPhone sales in fiscal Q1), there is something to be said about a stock that continues to climb relentlessly and valuation multiples that keep expanding.</p>\n<p>I maintain my views on AAPL: the stock seems to be a buy-and-hold for the long term, considering growth opportunities in services at first and brand-new devices later — think&nbsp;mixed reality and autonomous EV.</p>\n<p>That said, Apple stock&nbsp;tends to perform substantially better&nbsp;following a sharp pullback. Therefore, I think that investors that buy shares today should not count on oversized, 2020-like returns going forward.</p>","collect":0,"html":"<!DOCTYPE html>\n<html>\n<head>\n<meta http-equiv=\"Content-Type\" content=\"text/html; charset=utf-8\" />\n<meta name=\"viewport\" content=\"width=device-width,initial-scale=1.0,minimum-scale=1.0,maximum-scale=1.0,user-scalable=no\"/>\n<meta name=\"format-detection\" content=\"telephone=no,email=no,address=no\" />\n<title>The Bears Have Spoken: Apple Stock Could Drop 18%</title>\n<style type=\"text/css\">\na,abbr,acronym,address,applet,article,aside,audio,b,big,blockquote,body,canvas,caption,center,cite,code,dd,del,details,dfn,div,dl,dt,\nem,embed,fieldset,figcaption,figure,footer,form,h1,h2,h3,h4,h5,h6,header,hgroup,html,i,iframe,img,ins,kbd,label,legend,li,mark,menu,nav,\nobject,ol,output,p,pre,q,ruby,s,samp,section,small,span,strike,strong,sub,summary,sup,table,tbody,td,tfoot,th,thead,time,tr,tt,u,ul,var,video{ font:inherit;margin:0;padding:0;vertical-align:baseline;border:0 }\nbody{ font-size:16px; line-height:1.5; color:#999; background:transparent; }\n.wrapper{ overflow:hidden;word-break:break-all;padding:10px; }\nh1,h2{ font-weight:normal; line-height:1.35; margin-bottom:.6em; }\nh3,h4,h5,h6{ line-height:1.35; margin-bottom:1em; }\nh1{ font-size:24px; }\nh2{ font-size:20px; }\nh3{ font-size:18px; }\nh4{ font-size:16px; }\nh5{ font-size:14px; }\nh6{ font-size:12px; }\np,ul,ol,blockquote,dl,table{ margin:1.2em 0; }\nul,ol{ margin-left:2em; }\nul{ list-style:disc; }\nol{ list-style:decimal; }\nli,li p{ margin:10px 0;}\nimg{ max-width:100%;display:block;margin:0 auto 1em; }\nblockquote{ color:#B5B2B1; border-left:3px solid #aaa; padding:1em; }\nstrong,b{font-weight:bold;}\nem,i{font-style:italic;}\ntable{ width:100%;border-collapse:collapse;border-spacing:1px;margin:1em 0;font-size:.9em; }\nth,td{ padding:5px;text-align:left;border:1px solid #aaa; }\nth{ font-weight:bold;background:#5d5d5d; }\n.symbol-link{font-weight:bold;}\n/* header{ border-bottom:1px solid #494756; } */\n.title{ margin:0 0 8px;line-height:1.3;color:#ddd; }\n.meta {color:#5e5c6d;font-size:13px;margin:0 0 .5em; }\na{text-decoration:none; color:#2a4b87;}\n.meta .head { display: inline-block; overflow: hidden}\n.head .h-thumb { width: 30px; height: 30px; margin: 0; padding: 0; border-radius: 50%; float: left;}\n.head .h-content { margin: 0; padding: 0 0 0 9px; float: left;}\n.head .h-name {font-size: 13px; color: #eee; margin: 0;}\n.head .h-time {font-size: 11px; color: #7E829C; margin: 0;line-height: 11px;}\n.small {font-size: 12.5px; display: inline-block; transform: scale(0.9); -webkit-transform: scale(0.9); transform-origin: left; -webkit-transform-origin: left;}\n.smaller {font-size: 12.5px; display: inline-block; transform: scale(0.8); -webkit-transform: scale(0.8); transform-origin: left; -webkit-transform-origin: left;}\n.bt-text {font-size: 12px;margin: 1.5em 0 0 0}\n.bt-text p {margin: 0}\n</style>\n</head>\n<body>\n<div class=\"wrapper\">\n<header>\n<h2 class=\"title\">\nThe Bears Have Spoken: Apple Stock Could Drop 18%\n</h2>\n\n<h4 class=\"meta\">\n\n\n2021-12-10 14:01 GMT+8&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=https://www.thestreet.com/apple/stock/the-bears-have-spoken-apple-stock-could-drop-18><strong>TheStreet</strong></a>\n\n\n</h4>\n\n</header>\n<article>\n<div>\n<p>Apple stock (AAPL) continues to climb relentlessly on its way to the $3 trillion mark. But while Wall Street still has a “strong buy” consensus rating on the name, not every analyst believes that AAPL...</p>\n\n<a href=\"https://www.thestreet.com/apple/stock/the-bears-have-spoken-apple-stock-could-drop-18\">Web Link</a>\n\n</div>\n\n\n</article>\n</div>\n</body>\n</html>\n","type":0,"thumbnail":"","relate_stocks":{"AAPL":"苹果"},"source_url":"https://www.thestreet.com/apple/stock/the-bears-have-spoken-apple-stock-could-drop-18","is_english":true,"share_image_url":"https://static.laohu8.com/e9f99090a1c2ed51c021029395664489","article_id":"1153652287","content_text":"Apple stock (AAPL) continues to climb relentlessly on its way to the $3 trillion mark. But while Wall Street still has a “strong buy” consensus rating on the name, not every analyst believes that AAPL will climb from its current peak of $174 in the foreseeable future.\nIn the past couple of days, two experts who hold a neutral stance on Apple have spoken. One of them believes that the stock is worth only $142 apiece, suggesting 18% downside from current levels. Here is why these analysts are skeptical.\nApple stock rises, but so do risks\nGoldman Sachs’ Rod Hall is a former bear who threw in the towel a few months ago and changed his position on AAPL from sell to neutral. However, according toTipRanks, the analyst has just restated his $142 price target on Apple stock, pointing at 18% downside risk following the impressive rally of the past few weeks.\nDuring a recent CNBC interview, Mr. Hall explained that he is cautious about AAPL mostly due to the company’s user base and average revenue generated per user. First, he sees subscriber growth slowing down to GDP levels. Second, Rod thinks that ARPU (average revenue per user) will stabilize, after spiking by what he estimates to be an impressive 20% during the thick of the pandemic.\nGoldman Sachs wraps up its not-so-bullish case by observing how a reduction in iPhone lead times in the US, Europe and China in the holiday period could be a sign of slowing demand. The rationale: if supply is constrained in 2021 and lead times have dropped, the missing piece in this equation is probably a decline in demand for the devices.\nCredit Suisse was the other research shop to publish recently on Apple. Analyst Sami Badri assumed coverage from Matthew Cabral, and had his chance to change the bank’s rating on AAPL from neutral. Instead, he reinforced the recommendation and set the price target at $150.\nMr. Badri’spredecessor has often cited longer lead times as an indication of demand overwhelming supply. With the supply-demand dynamic now heading closer to a state of balance, this could be bad news for Apple in the short term — especially days after Bloomberg’s report that the Cupertino company may have overordered iPhone units for the holiday period.\nApple Maven’s take\nI believe that more bearish cases against AAPL could surface as Apple stock moves higher. While I think that the argument against an investment here tends to lean too heavily on near-term risks (e.g. iPhone sales in fiscal Q1), there is something to be said about a stock that continues to climb relentlessly and valuation multiples that keep expanding.\nI maintain my views on AAPL: the stock seems to be a buy-and-hold for the long term, considering growth opportunities in services at first and brand-new devices later — think mixed reality and autonomous EV.\nThat said, Apple stock tends to perform substantially better following a sharp pullback. Therefore, I think that investors that buy shares today should not count on oversized, 2020-like returns going forward.","news_type":1},"isVote":1,"tweetType":1,"viewCount":979,"authorTweetTopStatus":1,"verified":2,"comments":[],"imageCount":0,"langContent":"CN","totalScore":0},{"id":608146509,"gmtCreate":1638671341543,"gmtModify":1638678001319,"author":{"id":"4099402595795420","authorId":"4099402595795420","name":"Nayazindagi","avatar":"https://static.tigerbbs.com/491906a0e23ae13ce2be00cf4d568603","crmLevel":5,"crmLevelSwitch":0,"followedFlag":false,"authorIdStr":"4099402595795420","idStr":"4099402595795420"},"themes":[],"htmlText":"Fortunately , I had never , have and will invest in this crypto madness!&nbsp;[Happy]&nbsp;","listText":"Fortunately , I had never , have and will invest in this crypto madness!&nbsp;[Happy]&nbsp;","text":"Fortunately , I had never , have and will invest in this crypto madness! [Happy]","images":[],"top":1,"highlighted":1,"essential":1,"paper":1,"likeSize":5,"commentSize":0,"repostSize":0,"link":"https://laohu8.com/post/608146509","repostId":"1140678193","repostType":4,"isVote":1,"tweetType":1,"viewCount":1148,"authorTweetTopStatus":1,"verified":2,"comments":[],"imageCount":0,"langContent":"CN","totalScore":0},{"id":609483017,"gmtCreate":1638317563492,"gmtModify":1638317564846,"author":{"id":"4099402595795420","authorId":"4099402595795420","name":"Nayazindagi","avatar":"https://static.tigerbbs.com/491906a0e23ae13ce2be00cf4d568603","crmLevel":5,"crmLevelSwitch":0,"followedFlag":false,"authorIdStr":"4099402595795420","idStr":"4099402595795420"},"themes":[],"htmlText":"That's awesome!!&nbsp; Let's be positive that FDA will give its approval.. 😁","listText":"That's awesome!!&nbsp; Let's be positive that FDA will give its approval.. 😁","text":"That's awesome!! Let's be positive that FDA will give its approval.. 😁","images":[],"top":1,"highlighted":1,"essential":1,"paper":1,"likeSize":2,"commentSize":1,"repostSize":0,"link":"https://laohu8.com/post/609483017","repostId":"2188787534","repostType":2,"repost":{"id":"2188787534","weMediaInfo":{"introduction":"Dow Jones publishes the world’s most trusted business news and financial information in a variety of media.","home_visible":0,"media_name":"Dow Jones","id":"106","head_image":"https://static.tigerbbs.com/150f88aa4d182df19190059f4a365e99"},"pubTimestamp":1638315540,"share":"https://www.laohu8.com/m/news/2188787534?lang=&edition=full","pubTime":"2021-12-01 07:39","market":"us","language":"en","title":"FDA advisers recommend Merck's COVID-19 pill in close vote","url":"https://stock-news.laohu8.com/highlight/detail?id=2188787534","media":"Dow Jones","summary":"If molnupiravir is authorized by the FDA in the coming weeks, as has been expected, it will be the f","content":"<p>If molnupiravir is authorized by the FDA in the coming weeks, as has been expected, it will be the first oral COVID-19 pill you can take at home</p>\n<p>The Food and Drug Administration advisory committee said the benefits of Merck's experimental antiviral COVID-19 pill outweigh its risks in a 13-10 vote, with several advisors saying they had concerns about use of the drug in pregnant women.</p>\n<p>Shares of Merck &amp; Co. 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The regulator often takes into account the recommendation of its advisory committees but is not required to do so.</p>\n<p>If molnupiravir is authorized by the FDA in the coming weeks, as has been expected, it will be the first oral COVID-19 pill during the pandemic that you can take at home.</p>\n\n</article>\n</div>\n</body>\n</html>\n","type":0,"thumbnail":"","relate_stocks":{"BK4534":"瑞士信贷持仓","BK4550":"红杉资本持仓","BK4516":"特朗普概念","BK4007":"制药","BK4533":"AQR资本管理(全球第二大对冲基金)","MRK":"默沙东","BK4559":"巴菲特持仓"},"is_english":true,"share_image_url":"https://static.laohu8.com/e9f99090a1c2ed51c021029395664489","article_id":"2188787534","content_text":"If molnupiravir is authorized by the FDA in the coming weeks, as has been expected, it will be the first oral COVID-19 pill you can take at home\nThe Food and Drug Administration advisory committee said the benefits of Merck's experimental antiviral COVID-19 pill outweigh its risks in a 13-10 vote, with several advisors saying they had concerns about use of the drug in pregnant women.\nShares of Merck & Co. 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