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2021-12-24

$恒大汽车(00708)$在涨四五天就回本了[流泪] [流泪] [流泪] [流泪] [流泪] [流泪] [流泪] [流泪] [流泪] 好苦[流泪] [流泪] [流泪] [流泪] [流泪] [流泪]

2021-12-03

$恒大汽车(00708)$今天60个点！冲冲

2021-11-29

$恒大汽车(00708)$明天的恒车会不会涨三十个点？许总想翻身把恒车推到特斯拉一半价位，不要说翻身了！人生癫峰都不在话下！

2021-12-28

$恒大汽车(00708)$今天最少涨四十个点！但是我还是不能回本[笑哭] [笑哭] [笑哭] [捂脸] [捂脸] [捂脸]

2022-01-03

$恒大汽车(00708)$今天肯定最少20个点！

2021-12-23

$恒大汽车(00708)$在涨多几天就回本了[笑哭] [笑哭] [笑哭] [笑哭] [笑哭] [笑哭] [笑哭]

2021-12-21

$恒大汽车(00708)$贫也好败也好，我会为自己眼光与选择买单！

2021-12-06

$恒大汽车(00708)$挨最狠的刀！食最大的肉

2021-12-02

$恒大汽车(00708)$希望今年最错的不是四块三上车！我平时买的那三个股票这几天都轮流大涨[笑哭] [捂脸]

2021-12-30

$恒大汽车(00708)$需要点时间！

2021-12-23

$恒大汽车(00708)$预祝恒驰直特斯拉！[强] [强] [强] [强] [强] [强] [666] [666] [666] [666] [666]

2021-12-08

$恒大汽车(00708)$我就等竞价时段百分之二百，收盘百分之三百五至四百！这样想一点都不过分吧？

2022-03-15

$恒生指数(HSI)$俄罗斯被欧盟制裁都没你跌的惨！[笑哭] [笑哭] [笑哭] [笑哭] [笑哭] [笑哭]

2022-01-03

$恒大汽车(00708)$2022第一个交易日！就这么难看？恒大关恒车什么事！又不建房子🏠！

2021-12-03

$恒大汽车(00708)$会有200百起步的那一天的[666] [666] [666] [666] [比心] [比心] [比心] [看涨] [看涨] [看涨] [看涨]

2021-11-30

$恒大汽车(00708)$恒车上五六百一洗前耻！2W亿债务算什么！

2022-07-21

T思L不骗穷人！

别被特斯拉财报骗了，新能源车的下半年未必一帆风顺

2021-12-20

$恒大汽车(00708)$漂亮[强] [强] [强] [强] [强]

2021-09-30

$恒大汽车(00708)$40米九菜刀已经准备好[笑哭] [笑哭] [笑哭]

2022-05-04

$汇森家居(02127)$这是发现昨天涨错了么？今天悬崖勒马？还好没钱融资！不然今天又又又又又又又被强平！下次拉涨的时候小心点，不要在搞错了！浪费心情！

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3和Model Y都这么多未完成的订单，除非新建工厂，否则基本不可能应付得来，即使真的量产，也只是小规模。</p><p>特斯拉高管对于新建工厂计划的回应不多，目前的工作重点还在于两家新工厂的产能爬坡，导致了市场对于特斯拉未来的增长预期有所弱化，这也是财报公布后股价短暂拉升又迅速回落的原因，很明显，市场正在重新给特斯拉估值。</p><p><b>从基本面上看，特斯拉没有太大问题，现在的压制因素主要来自宏观经济，宏观层面没有触底复苏，特斯拉的股价就缺乏上涨动力，想要回到年初的高峰位置，更加是困难重重。</b></p><p>今年下半年，大概率还是在过去一个多月的区间里磨来磨去，直到全球经济有转机。</p><p><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/988425ec83176d94f2f8428576e8e8d0\" tg-width=\"840\" tg-height=\"470\" referrerpolicy=\"no-referrer\"/></p><p><b>02国内新势力几何？</b></p><p>说到特斯拉，就不得不提国内的新能源车企。</p><p><b>现在大家都还沉浸在6月份强劲的销量数据上，似乎一切都没什么好担心的，但是，昨天一个新势力的调研报告出炉，当中提到下半年会降价促销，以完成全年的销售任务。</b></p><p>这个看似不大不小的动作，其实蕴含的信息量非常巨大。电动车集体提价还是几个月的事，这么快就反转，可以感受得到车企所面临的销售压力，终极问题就在于，到底新能源汽车是不是如我们所见的乐观？</p><p>当然，这家新势力的降价促销实属无奈之举，因为今年时间过半，但销售任务只完成了1/3，同时该车企还要面对三大新势力亏损最大这个事实，如果要完成全年任务，等于说下半年的销量要是上半年的2倍，这个挑战其实是很大的，虽然说下半年的车市才是销售旺季，但鉴于现在宏观环境和居民消费力，汽车这种大宗消费品能否继续维持高增，就存在很多不确定性。同时，很多车企都不断推出新车去抢占新能源市场，虽然新势力们还头顶光环，但冷暖只有它们自己才知道。</p><p>回看5、6月份的电动车为何销售强劲回升，其实原因只有一个，<b>政策刺激</b>。如果政策继续加码，那下半年新能源汽车的销售不会有太大问题，不过，从昨天总理的表态来看，下半年的经济刺激政策即使有，也不会过猛。换句话说，国家对于电动车的刺激，能做到现在这个份上，基本也已经尽力了的，再希望国家拿钱出来就不现实了。</p><p>当然，看多者还有一个信仰，那就是<b>抢食燃油车的蛋糕</b>。</p><p>根据中国汽车工业协会披露的数据，今年上半年燃油车的总体销量（乘用车和商用车）按年下跌19.1%。更重要的是，燃油车作为旧时代的代表，几乎没有还手之力，只能眼睁睁看着地盘被蚕食。如果按照这个剧本演下去，似乎新能源汽车也没有值得担心的，但正如前文所言，燃油车企的变量在于，它们也在迫不及待地挤进新能源汽车赛道，这必然会加剧市场竞争，赛道本身有增长没错，但每家的份额能不能增长就不一定了。</p><p>对于车企而言，前端有宏观经济、居民消费的压力，又有锂矿造成的成本压力，对于下半年，不宜太乐观。现在，整个港A股新能源汽车板块都处于回调之中，新势力们的股价在6月末触顶之后，已经跌了大半个月，反映的正是这样一种预期。</p><p>今年新能源汽车的整体销量，市场上的预期大概是550万辆，现在的股价，基本也反映了这种预期，除非政策上再有动作支持，否则，新势力们的上涨动力会很弱，顶多就是来回波动一下。</p><p><b>03结语</b></p><p>眼下的市场，确实缺乏新的主线。</p><p><b>在宏观经济未有周期性向上之时，走势都会反复震荡，对于投资者而言，这会是相当磨人的一个时期，虽然中间会有反弹，但到一定程度，常常戛然而止，踏空、被套就会经常发生。</b></p><p>作为极少数拥有广阔增长空间的行业，新能源汽车一直受到资金追捧，但是资金过度涌入，又往往容易推高估值，造成阶段性泡沫，上涨阶段获利容易，但回调阶段又很容易套人。如果是长线资金，在低位进入，可以无视股价波动，但是大部分投资者，尤其是散户，是不可能做到的。</p><p>新能源汽车板块何时再进入上涨阶段，今年或者都不容易看到了。因为要再来一次6月份的上涨，要么像4月份那样，崩一次，要么经济重新进入上涨周期，再有，就是成本端出现大幅下滑，例如锂矿价格大幅回落，而这几个因素，出现的可能性都不大。</p><p>新能源汽车的财报，仍然耀眼，但别被财报骗了，下半年的新能源汽车的股价，还是谨慎为好。</p></body></html>","source":"gelonghui_highlight","collect":0,"html":"<!DOCTYPE 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href=https://www.gelonghui.com/p/540787><strong>格隆汇</strong></a>\n\n\n</h4>\n\n</header>\n<article>\n<div>\n<p>翘首以盼的特斯拉财报，终于来到眼前。对于这份财报，有些已经料到，比如交付量下滑，营收下滑，毛利率下滑，结束了好多个季度的单边上涨态势，特别是Q2的交付量早于财报前就已经公布，研究员大致算一下，便可窥见全貌；有些没有料到，净利润居然还能超出预期，同比翻了近一倍。客观地说，这是一份平稳的财报，好坏对冲后，市场大致也能够接受。但是，在目前仍然错综复杂的宏观经济形势下，特斯拉乃至中国的新势力们，还会像之前...</p>\n\n<a href=\"https://www.gelonghui.com/p/540787\">Web 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Y都这么多未完成的订单，除非新建工厂，否则基本不可能应付得来，即使真的量产，也只是小规模。特斯拉高管对于新建工厂计划的回应不多，目前的工作重点还在于两家新工厂的产能爬坡，导致了市场对于特斯拉未来的增长预期有所弱化，这也是财报公布后股价短暂拉升又迅速回落的原因，很明显，市场正在重新给特斯拉估值。从基本面上看，特斯拉没有太大问题，现在的压制因素主要来自宏观经济，宏观层面没有触底复苏，特斯拉的股价就缺乏上涨动力，想要回到年初的高峰位置，更加是困难重重。今年下半年，大概率还是在过去一个多月的区间里磨来磨去，直到全球经济有转机。02国内新势力几何？说到特斯拉，就不得不提国内的新能源车企。现在大家都还沉浸在6月份强劲的销量数据上，似乎一切都没什么好担心的，但是，昨天一个新势力的调研报告出炉，当中提到下半年会降价促销，以完成全年的销售任务。这个看似不大不小的动作，其实蕴含的信息量非常巨大。电动车集体提价还是几个月的事，这么快就反转，可以感受得到车企所面临的销售压力，终极问题就在于，到底新能源汽车是不是如我们所见的乐观？当然，这家新势力的降价促销实属无奈之举，因为今年时间过半，但销售任务只完成了1/3，同时该车企还要面对三大新势力亏损最大这个事实，如果要完成全年任务，等于说下半年的销量要是上半年的2倍，这个挑战其实是很大的，虽然说下半年的车市才是销售旺季，但鉴于现在宏观环境和居民消费力，汽车这种大宗消费品能否继续维持高增，就存在很多不确定性。同时，很多车企都不断推出新车去抢占新能源市场，虽然新势力们还头顶光环，但冷暖只有它们自己才知道。回看5、6月份的电动车为何销售强劲回升，其实原因只有一个，政策刺激。如果政策继续加码，那下半年新能源汽车的销售不会有太大问题，不过，从昨天总理的表态来看，下半年的经济刺激政策即使有，也不会过猛。换句话说，国家对于电动车的刺激，能做到现在这个份上，基本也已经尽力了的，再希望国家拿钱出来就不现实了。当然，看多者还有一个信仰，那就是抢食燃油车的蛋糕。根据中国汽车工业协会披露的数据，今年上半年燃油车的总体销量（乘用车和商用车）按年下跌19.1%。更重要的是，燃油车作为旧时代的代表，几乎没有还手之力，只能眼睁睁看着地盘被蚕食。如果按照这个剧本演下去，似乎新能源汽车也没有值得担心的，但正如前文所言，燃油车企的变量在于，它们也在迫不及待地挤进新能源汽车赛道，这必然会加剧市场竞争，赛道本身有增长没错，但每家的份额能不能增长就不一定了。对于车企而言，前端有宏观经济、居民消费的压力，又有锂矿造成的成本压力，对于下半年，不宜太乐观。现在，整个港A股新能源汽车板块都处于回调之中，新势力们的股价在6月末触顶之后，已经跌了大半个月，反映的正是这样一种预期。今年新能源汽车的整体销量，市场上的预期大概是550万辆，现在的股价，基本也反映了这种预期，除非政策上再有动作支持，否则，新势力们的上涨动力会很弱，顶多就是来回波动一下。03结语眼下的市场，确实缺乏新的主线。在宏观经济未有周期性向上之时，走势都会反复震荡，对于投资者而言，这会是相当磨人的一个时期，虽然中间会有反弹，但到一定程度，常常戛然而止，踏空、被套就会经常发生。作为极少数拥有广阔增长空间的行业，新能源汽车一直受到资金追捧，但是资金过度涌入，又往往容易推高估值，造成阶段性泡沫，上涨阶段获利容易，但回调阶段又很容易套人。如果是长线资金，在低位进入，可以无视股价波动，但是大部分投资者，尤其是散户，是不可能做到的。新能源汽车板块何时再进入上涨阶段，今年或者都不容易看到了。因为要再来一次6月份的上涨，要么像4月份那样，崩一次，要么经济重新进入上涨周期，再有，就是成本端出现大幅下滑，例如锂矿价格大幅回落，而这几个因素，出现的可能性都不大。新能源汽车的财报，仍然耀眼，但别被财报骗了，下半年的新能源汽车的股价，还是谨慎为好。","news_type":1},"isVote":1,"tweetType":1,"viewCount":1067,"authorTweetTopStatus":1,"verified":2,"comments":[],"imageCount":0,"langContent":"CN","totalScore":0},{"id":693103208,"gmtCreate":1639979570153,"gmtModify":1639979570153,"author":{"id":"3584064374196548","authorId":"3584064374196548","name":"Joyce124","avatar":"https://static.laohu8.com/default-avatar.jpg","crmLevel":2,"crmLevelSwitch":0,"followedFlag":false,"idStr":"3584064374196548","authorIdStr":"3584064374196548"},"themes":[],"htmlText":"<a 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