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2021-08-09

Too big to fall

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2021-08-23

$BABA 20210917 220.0 CALL(BABA)$Can it rebound ?

2021-08-21

$BABA 20210917 220.0 CALL(BABA)$Wanna cry

2021-11-04

$DiDi Global Inc.(DIDI)$Ready?

2021-10-08

$Alibaba(09988)$it’s time

2021-09-04

$BABA 20210917 220.0 CALL(BABA)$Cry

2021-08-18

$TCH 210830 500.00 CALL(TCH.HK)$it’s hurt

2021-08-06

Is it good time to buy Tesla ?

White House: Tesla not invited to EV event because it's focused on 3 biggest employers of UAW members

2021-09-01

$TCH 210929 480.00 CALL(TCH.HK)$Tencent

2021-08-20

$BABA 20210917 220.0 CALL(BABA)$like no tmr

2021-08-05

$Clover Health Corp(CLOV)$Still can hold?

2021-09-08

$TCH 210929 530.00 CALL(TCH.HK)$just start

2021-09-05

$BABA 20210917 220.0 CALL(BABA)$gg

2021-08-26

$BABA 20210917 220.0 CALL(BABA)$Got tmr?

2021-08-24

$BABA 20210917 220.0 CALL(BABA)$will it alive today?

2021-08-12

$BABA 20210917 220.0 CALL(BABA)$🤦‍♂️

2021-10-21

$DiDi Global Inc.(DIDI)$yes

2021-10-15

$DiDi Global Inc.(DIDI)$Hold

2021-10-13

$DiDi Global Inc.(DIDI)$Hold

2021-10-11

$DiDi Global Inc.(DIDI)$Buy

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referrerpolicy=\"no-referrer\"></p>\n<p>根据网上查到的资料，查理芒格对于这家公司的投资有着决定权。比方说今年年初的时候，有人就问查理芒格，为什么巴菲特都清仓了Wells Fargo，你却还要留着。查理芒格对此的解释，是他对Wells Fargo更怜悯一些，他对银行也没有过高的期望（I think I'm a little more lenient, I expect less out of bankers than he does）。</p>\n<p>那么查理芒格建仓加仓阿里巴巴，是不是暗示巴菲特也会做同样的事情？特别是考虑到这家公司和Berkshire的持仓中，有3家重合：Wells Fargo, Bank of America 和US Bancorp。先比较一下他们两家的建仓时间。</p>\n<p>Wells Fargo：Berkshire建仓时间98年4季度，DJ建仓时间13年4季度。</p>\n<p>Bank of America：Berkshire建仓时间17年3季度，DJ建仓时间13年4季度。</p>\n<p>US Bancorp：Berkshire建仓时间13年4季度，DJ建仓时间13年4季度。</p>\n<p>3个重复持仓中，只有US Bancorp的建仓时间一致，其余两个相隔太远。不过即使是建仓时间一致的US Bancorp，查理芒格只有$8m的持仓，仅占整个仓位3%。种种迹象表明，查理芒格在刻意避免这家公司的持仓，和巴菲特的Berkshire关联起来。所以即使巴菲特清仓Wells Fargo，查理芒格心里面再着急，也“不敢”跟着跑，就怕遭人闲话。当有人问他为什么不跑，他还要“嘴硬”一下。</p>\n<p>结论就是，查理芒格加仓阿里巴巴，对于巴菲特建仓阿里巴巴没有任何暗示作用。而且很有可能因为两人的举动都被世人瞩目，即使巴菲特现在想建仓阿里巴巴，因为芒格已经建仓，巴菲特也不会立刻跟进。</p>\n<p><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/6893277b4d88934da7f2bdaae1cc4334\" tg-width=\"1051\" tg-height=\"471\" referrerpolicy=\"no-referrer\"></p>\n<p><b>公司新闻</b></p>\n<p><a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/TSLA\">特斯拉</a>(TSLA)：即将举行年度股东大会。</p>\n<p><a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/GM\">通用汽车</a>(GM)：Cruise宣布将在10年内生产销售100万+辆自动驾驶汽车。Cruise CEO阿曼表示，通过监管部门的批准、投资者的资本以及通用汽车提供的$50亿信贷额度，Cruise产品在未来4年内成本预计降低90%。</p>\n<p>Nikola(NKLA)：与TC能源宣布共建大型氢燃料<a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/HUBG\">枢纽</a>。Nikola和TC能源希望通过在关键地理位置建立中心，加速重型零排放燃料电池电动车和氢气在各工业部门的应用。</p>\n<p><a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/MSFT\">微软</a>(MSFT)：收购生产力工具创企Ally.io，将引入Microsoft云中。Ally.io的仪表板和可定制工具将成为微软 Viva 软件的一部分，该软件于 2 月推出，可通过 Teams访问。</p>\n<p><b>其它</b></p>\n<p>全球累计确诊236,638,946例，累计死亡4,831,050例。美国确诊44,119,252例，死亡708,771例。纽约州目前确诊2,457,020例，死亡55,570例。</p>\n<p>国会两党将债务上限提高至$4,800亿，并延期至12月3日。</p>\n<p>美国前财长姆努钦警告通胀风险，担心10年美债收益率或涨至3.5%。</p>\n<p>20家+涉虚拟币企业宣布退出中国市场。</p>\n<p><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/58400277e4a764e850d5b3f41691e7b3\" tg-width=\"1054\" tg-height=\"223\" referrerpolicy=\"no-referrer\"></p>","collect":0,"html":"<!DOCTYPE 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referrerpolicy=\"no-referrer\"></p>\n<p>根据网上查到的资料，查理芒格对于这家公司的投资有着决定权。比方说今年年初的时候，有人就问查理芒格，为什么巴菲特都清仓了Wells Fargo，你却还要留着。查理芒格对此的解释，是他对Wells Fargo更怜悯一些，他对银行也没有过高的期望（I think I'm a little more lenient, I expect less out of bankers than he does）。</p>\n<p>那么查理芒格建仓加仓阿里巴巴，是不是暗示巴菲特也会做同样的事情？特别是考虑到这家公司和Berkshire的持仓中，有3家重合：Wells Fargo, Bank of America 和US Bancorp。先比较一下他们两家的建仓时间。</p>\n<p>Wells Fargo：Berkshire建仓时间98年4季度，DJ建仓时间13年4季度。</p>\n<p>Bank of America：Berkshire建仓时间17年3季度，DJ建仓时间13年4季度。</p>\n<p>US Bancorp：Berkshire建仓时间13年4季度，DJ建仓时间13年4季度。</p>\n<p>3个重复持仓中，只有US Bancorp的建仓时间一致，其余两个相隔太远。不过即使是建仓时间一致的US Bancorp，查理芒格只有$8m的持仓，仅占整个仓位3%。种种迹象表明，查理芒格在刻意避免这家公司的持仓，和巴菲特的Berkshire关联起来。所以即使巴菲特清仓Wells Fargo，查理芒格心里面再着急，也“不敢”跟着跑，就怕遭人闲话。当有人问他为什么不跑，他还要“嘴硬”一下。</p>\n<p>结论就是，查理芒格加仓阿里巴巴，对于巴菲特建仓阿里巴巴没有任何暗示作用。而且很有可能因为两人的举动都被世人瞩目，即使巴菲特现在想建仓阿里巴巴，因为芒格已经建仓，巴菲特也不会立刻跟进。</p>\n<p><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/6893277b4d88934da7f2bdaae1cc4334\" tg-width=\"1051\" tg-height=\"471\" referrerpolicy=\"no-referrer\"></p>\n<p><b>公司新闻</b></p>\n<p><a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/TSLA\">特斯拉</a>(TSLA)：即将举行年度股东大会。</p>\n<p><a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/GM\">通用汽车</a>(GM)：Cruise宣布将在10年内生产销售100万+辆自动驾驶汽车。Cruise CEO阿曼表示，通过监管部门的批准、投资者的资本以及通用汽车提供的$50亿信贷额度，Cruise产品在未来4年内成本预计降低90%。</p>\n<p>Nikola(NKLA)：与TC能源宣布共建大型氢燃料<a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/HUBG\">枢纽</a>。Nikola和TC能源希望通过在关键地理位置建立中心，加速重型零排放燃料电池电动车和氢气在各工业部门的应用。</p>\n<p><a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/MSFT\">微软</a>(MSFT)：收购生产力工具创企Ally.io，将引入Microsoft云中。Ally.io的仪表板和可定制工具将成为微软 Viva 软件的一部分，该软件于 2 月推出，可通过 Teams访问。</p>\n<p><b>其它</b></p>\n<p>全球累计确诊236,638,946例，累计死亡4,831,050例。美国确诊44,119,252例，死亡708,771例。纽约州目前确诊2,457,020例，死亡55,570例。</p>\n<p>国会两党将债务上限提高至$4,800亿，并延期至12月3日。</p>\n<p>美国前财长姆努钦警告通胀风险，担心10年美债收益率或涨至3.5%。</p>\n<p>20家+涉虚拟币企业宣布退出中国市场。</p>\n<p><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/58400277e4a764e850d5b3f41691e7b3\" tg-width=\"1054\" tg-height=\"223\" 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