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2022-12-13

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2021-07-22

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2020-08-11

清楚情况的有人说下？谢谢

蔚来跌超6%，此前一度涨超8%

2020-08-11

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src=\"https://fid-75186.picgzc.qpic.cn/20200811001358038v235qczl5w88sb5\"/><p>蔚来发展初期外部环境一片大好，这固然是好事，但或许也因为「钱来的容易」，使得蔚来资产转化率要低于两家企业，我们对此也有疑虑：蔚来与<a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/600418\">江淮汽车</a>合作量产，与其他两家要自建工厂要轻一些，是否因此影响了资产规模的膨胀呢？</p><p>为排除此干扰因素，我们选择用「研发费用」作为主要研究对象，在造车行业技术上存在诸多可探索空间前提下，评价研发费用的效率或许可以判得企业的运营效率，见下图。</p><img src=\"https://fid-75186.picgzc.qpic.cn/20200811001403651v2352ar482mrij0\"/><p>虽然蔚来在一级市场拿钱较为容易，对研发费用的支出总规模也最高，但在人均科研人员的支出上反而最弱，与之对应的是理想汽车：总研发费用最少，但人均规模与小鹏相差不大。</p><p>考虑到理想汽车在2019年末才量产，无论是出于控制总损益表情况抑或是出于实际业务的需求，此时的研发费用总规模低于其他两家是完全可以理解的。蔚来和小鹏在上市前已经量产，但蔚来人均科研人员研发支出要远低于小鹏。</p><p>蔚来在研发上采取了中美英多地多个中心的思路，很显然形成了「两头翘」的人员配置方式，上层研发和普通员工呈现极端化，收入悬差巨大，最终反而摊薄了人均支出，也就是说：<strong>蔚来在上市前存在一定的「浮夸之风」，追求表面繁荣和面子工程，不如其他两家脚踏实地。</strong></p><p>结合图二情况，若有浮夸之风，则意味着企业运营期间会有很大比例的跑冒滴漏，沉没成本比例高，部分股东融资未能转化为资产。</p><p>有时候钱来得太容易反而不会珍惜，这适用于创业期的蔚来，2019年蔚来遭遇连番风波，股价受挫，2019年采取了裁员措施，也算是对先前行为的一次校准。</p><p>在此可对上市之前的三家企业做如下总结：<strong>蔚来来钱最易，但最不珍惜，理想汽车融资最难，但花钱效率较高，小鹏汽车介于两者之间。</strong></p><p>接下来我们再看三家企业的产品，由于行业本身充满了不确定性，不同企业也采取了不同的发展策略，如理想汽车选择了六座的大型SUV作为突破口，蔚来汽车则从SUV到小型轿车，理论上判断，若企业产品在终端市场具有极强竞争力，势必会在定价中有所表示，也就是说，强竞争力必然会带来高毛利率，我们整理上市前三家企业的汽车毛利率情况，见下图</p><img src=\"https://fid-75186.picgzc.qpic.cn/20200811001404750v235gdrlzg9xuqm\"/><p>蔚来上市之时虽然已经量产，但几乎是「卖一辆赔一辆」的负毛利率，小鹏汽车亦是如此，量产一定规模后，毛利率迟迟不能回正也很说明问题，只有理想汽车，选择了「增程式」电动汽车，确保了续航里程，且又以六座大型SUV切入了竞争力较小领域，故而有毛利率为正表现。</p><p>值得注意的是，2019全年蔚来毛利率不仅未回正反而有扩大的势头，从表面看是<a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/TSLA\">特斯拉</a>入侵，不断挤压产品在终端市场的增值溢价能力<strong>，对比理想汽车情况，在特斯拉之下也隐含着对企业选择造车切入点合理性的反馈。</strong></p><p>小鹏汽车选择了15万-30万元的中低端市场，面临着上有特斯拉下有<a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/002594\">比亚迪</a>的竞争局面，在未能大规模量产降低制造端成本前提下，毛利是很难回正的。</p><p>虽然市场均认同智能汽车是未来方向和前景，这是大势所趋，但从细分市场来看，竞争已经相当残酷，给造车企业的机会其实已经不多。</p><p>最后，我们还想通过创始人持股比例来做分析。</p><p>虽然通过AB股设置，创始人都牢牢掌握了公司话语权，似乎可以忽略持股比例这一数字，但相当多分析其实并未注意到：造车行业无论是制造端、供应链还是研发端，都处在急剧的烧钱状态，创始人持股比例高，理论上企业通过增发、债转股形式融资的可能性就越高，反之亦然，换言之，<strong>在一个烧钱行业中，创始人投资比例绝对着通过资本市场募资的动力，也就是融资潜力问题。</strong></p><p>蔚来虽然在上市前融资容易，但IPO只是下轮融资的开始，现在所处阶段要相对困难许多。</p><p>小鹏和理想汽车有相对的优势，但资本定价也取决于企业经营情况，尽快跑起来，盈利，提高资本市场信心是下阶段降低融资成本的关键。</p><p>根据最新数据，蔚来汽车2020年7月交付3533台，ES8和ES6两款车型面世均超过一年以上，理想汽车在只有一款车型前提下，同期交付了2516台，环比增加33%，在有毛利，上市不满一年前提下，理想成绩要相对好于已经成熟运营了一年以上的蔚来（ES6环比增长仅为5%）。</p><p>此外强调一点，由于不同地方政府对增城模式的认可度不同，有地区并未认可其新能源汽车这一身份，联想汽车的竞争相较于其他两家要严峻许多，有以上成绩乃是相当不易。</p><p>如果王兴说造车新势力蔚来，理想汽车和小鹏汽车会是硕果仅存的三家，那么随着运营和行业变化的深入，这三家公司分化也会逐渐加剧（目前市值尚在同一区间，且三家互为定价标准，理想汽车的普通股拆ADS比例显然也参照了蔚来的股价），此后会有一家领跑行业，且差距会不断加大。</p><p>我已看好一家，你们呢？</p><p>编辑/emily</p></article></body></html>","source":"tencent","collect":0,"html":"<!DOCTYPE html>\n<html>\n<head>\n<meta 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