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06-21

GPT5没亮点还会有其他家的应用，买锤子的永远不会败，最大的风险是在于追赶的竞争者而不是OpenAI

朱啸虎：年底GPT-5达不到预期，英伟达市值就“完蛋了”

06-11

$苹果(AAPL)$ 苹果goto the moon

06-06

$英伟达(NVDA)$ 终于1200了，不愧是全村的希望

04-20

$半导体产品(BK4141)$ 最近跌的太惨了

04-15

$(00700)$ 利空是短暂的

03-26

$拼多多(PDD)$ 买多多就是考虑一个性价比，等股价百亿补贴的时候再[开心]

2022-10-25

抄起来短期看到280

2022-08-06

$Rocket Companies(RKT)$财报miss，下一季度指引也下调了，居然拿回来了，这是要杀期权么

2021-02-10

$哔哩哔哩(BILI)$再跌点，跌了补货😃

2020-12-16

$中芯国际(00981)$又作妖...

2020-09-15

$Inovio Pharmaceuticals Inc(INO)$发生了这是要被收购了么？

2020-08-27

$Salesforce(CRM)$涨的理由是财报好再加上入选道琼斯？

2020-07-29

$Inovio Pharmaceuticals Inc(INO)$盘前涨跌，最后都是📉

2020-04-03

$Moderna, Inc.(MRNA)$加油～

2017-07-12

今天盘后很夸张～

$京东(JD)$ 今天盘后很夸张啊

今天盘后很夸张～

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