敏敏猪__
2020-06-05
没什么美联储印钱美股涨,咱们印人民币的时候涨多少?
美股暴涨的背后:美联储“印钱”或达8到12万亿美元
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Guardia5黑暗游侠
2020-06-05
Guardia5黑暗游侠
15年可没少涨
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总之就是不会有人承认,疫情过去了,经济恢复中。观望。
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中国人民自己抖啊 被套了多少不清楚吗,四次熔断,去杠杆降息然后印钱要一步步来啊,之前不是印钱了吗?印钱是最后手段,您老人家上去直接印钱,周期这么长,不得先让资产再分配一下先?然后出击!
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😂美国印钱对股市有那么大好处的话,熔断的时候早就涨了吧…退一万步,全世界都用美元结算的…又不愁花不出去,放水全世界稀释…中国放水自己兜…股票能撑起来还勉强说得过去…美国印美元有什么关系…反正全世界一起稀释…
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印钱掩盖国家赤字啊 15年咱们国家赤字。这不今天就为回撤做准备呢吗
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😂没留意耶,赤字跌了么?美股是跌了然后涨,不是无厘头暴涨吧?10年前我们老师就说中国股票涨是不用下蹲的,正常股票应该是蹲的低,跳得远,要有蹲的过程…
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