自由随心飞
2022-11-08
$蔚来(NIO)$
成也换电,败也换电,换电服务好,但限制了整体架构升级,蔚来的车只会跟最新的电池技术与车体架构越拉越远,升级吧,又会导致之前的换电投入打水漂,这也是为什么et5这么难开,能耗这么高的,简直不像新平台的产物的原因
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fincc
2022-11-08
fincc
终于有个人说到点子上了,换电超级低效不说(单独谈一辆车换电快还是充电快没有意义,100辆一起来看谁快?),严重的不经济,严重的制约车身发展,这么简单的判断题都不会做的车企不可能有前途
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看到你说一个换电站成本等于100个超级充电桩,真的笑死了,完全外行……
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fincc
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第一,你前面说超级充电桩,这里又说充电桩,还有,你这是计算成本还是计算效率?不算下占地面积?或者实际情况请问哪里有?
第二,你这个十倍以上是啥?你真的了解超级充电站的建设成本吗?还有效率,不看下实际的总功率?或者这么说,蔚来也有充电桩,有快有慢,适合不同人群,急的换电,不急的可以充电,有问题吗?你建十个充电桩,我建10个充电桩+一个换电站可行?
第三,换电站实际上也可以无人值守。
不过你这思维跳来跳去的真的适合辩论吗?先是说效率,我跟你说效率,再又说成本,我跟,接着又说盈利能力。。。你这哪是辩论,这是梯云纵啊
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第一:这里比较的是充电与换电,一个换电站相当于100根桩没毛病;第二:特斯拉的桩就算建设成本高于普通超充站,相同投入的充电效率与换电站相比也是10倍以上;第三:超充站无须有人值守,这与设备维护是两回事
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fincc
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不,这里讨论的是效率的事情
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百亿身价经验
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一句话回复你:特斯拉超充站大部分是盈利的
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逢买必升
2022-11-10
逢买必升
未来有租车服务699一天,可以租来体验下就知道了,无限次换电,城区用车完全不用换电,家充桩足够了,但是续航能力确实差,打个5折吧,换电还是要排队的,还要预留50公里续航去换电,车辆充电速度比较慢,北汽早有换电站了,半自动,供应的是运营车换电,那才叫效率,广汽也有,换电不算什么核心技术,特斯拉的技术层面是不一样的,充电比较快,比亚迪是有技术的,一个月销量等于未来4年的销量,未来是无法比拟的
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