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2021-05-27

It is a given, there is no way Tesla is going to dominate the market in the long term. The big and famous boys will be in with full force, Mercs, BMWs with established branding. Competition will heat up

‘Not a chance’ Tesla will dominate car industry in 20 years: legendary investor Bruce Greenwald

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Brandon2207
2021-06-02
Brandon2207
Keep dreaming, they are making EVs at losses right now. And dont have the technology that Tesla have
Jozua
2021-06-03
Jozua
Thats what nokia thought about apple
- Pepeflabs:
  spot on
mark01bravz
2021-06-03
mark01bravz
wow so much fud. u really think that ice engineers will convert into software engineers ?
- tkj:
  this is the reality. many countries especially those in Europe have already promised a date after which there will not be any polluting vehicles on the road. ICE engineers just have to learn to adapt
- mark01bravz回复tkj:
  ice and software are 2 different fields. u say adapt but I don't think it will really be that easily. plus tesla have the ability to reduce the cost price which the other companies don't.
- tkj回复mark01bravz:
  ICE engineers not adapting is termed as structural unemployment, they will be shipped out. the big players have big markets and huge follower base, their economies of scale will come in.
- mark01bravz回复tkj:
  oh really ? education don't need costs ? those established companies that you are referring to are still using ice vehicles as their majority.
LoneSurvivor
2021-06-02
LoneSurvivor
Then sell all your TSLA lorrrrrr, dont ltr FOMO when it rises
- Jaminwu:
  singlish oi!
- LoneSurvivor回复Jaminwu:
  Hey there sister jamin
赛亚老人
2021-06-03
赛亚老人
Please sell so I can load more
Chickencb
2021-06-03
Chickencb
Short tesla pls, Me want buy at lower price

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And dont have the technology that Tesla have","text":"Keep dreaming, they are making EVs at losses right now. And dont have the technology that Tesla have","html":"Keep dreaming, they are making EVs at losses right now. And dont have the technology that Tesla have","likeSize":20,"commentSize":0,"subComments":[],"verified":10,"allocateAmount":0,"commentType":"valid","coins":0,"score":0,"disclaimerType":0},{"id":4565223,"commentId":"4565223","gmtCreate":1622730500400,"gmtModify":1635338417125,"authorId":3570880415749772,"author":{"id":3570880415749772,"idStr":"3570880415749772","authorId":3570880415749772,"name":"Jozua","avatar":"https://static.tigerbbs.com/333cef39a0a8a2eca19716ebcd9b07e9","vip":1,"crmLevel":6,"crmLevelSwitch":0,"individualDisplayBadges":[]},"repliedAuthorId":0,"objectId":132418107,"objectIdStr":"132418107","type":1,"supId":0,"supIdStr":"0","prevId":0,"prevIdStr":"0","content":"Thats what nokia thought about apple","text":"Thats what nokia thought about apple","html":"Thats what nokia thought about apple","likeSize":11,"commentSize":1,"subComments":[{"id":4635215,"commentId":"4635215","gmtCreate":1623162083967,"gmtModify":1635332009615,"authorId":3573162818118967,"author":{"id":3573162818118967,"idStr":"3573162818118967","authorId":3573162818118967,"name":"Pepeflabs","avatar":"https://static.tigerbbs.com/bb2ce4a85b6af8ab6f45834a991797c6","vip":1,"crmLevel":3,"crmLevelSwitch":0,"individualDisplayBadges":[]},"repliedAuthorId":0,"objectId":132418107,"objectIdStr":"132418107","type":1,"supId":4565223,"supIdStr":"4565223","prevId":0,"prevIdStr":"0","content":"spot on","text":"spot on","html":"spot on","disclaimerType":0}],"verified":10,"allocateAmount":0,"commentType":"valid","coins":0,"score":0,"disclaimerType":0},{"id":4560231,"commentId":"4560231","gmtCreate":1622708714566,"gmtModify":1635390165525,"authorId":3568769977321272,"author":{"id":3568769977321272,"idStr":"3568769977321272","authorId":3568769977321272,"name":"mark01bravz","avatar":"https://static.tigerbbs.com/a5b7674da5bdda08c302399c7d276a6c","vip":1,"crmLevel":6,"crmLevelSwitch":0,"individualDisplayBadges":[]},"repliedAuthorId":0,"objectId":132418107,"objectIdStr":"132418107","type":1,"supId":0,"supIdStr":"0","prevId":0,"prevIdStr":"0","content":"wow so much fud. u really think that ice engineers will convert into software engineers ?","text":"wow so much fud. u really think that ice engineers will convert into software engineers ?","html":"wow so much fud. u really think that ice engineers will convert into software engineers ?","likeSize":4,"commentSize":4,"subComments":[{"id":4561180,"commentId":"4561180","gmtCreate":1622712961823,"gmtModify":1635338726425,"authorId":3582020830270271,"author":{"id":3582020830270271,"idStr":"3582020830270271","authorId":3582020830270271,"name":"tkj","avatar":"https://static.tigerbbs.com/b4db3635974ce189ed8129eca6b5b618","vip":1,"crmLevel":5,"crmLevelSwitch":0,"individualDisplayBadges":[]},"repliedAuthorId":0,"objectId":132418107,"objectIdStr":"132418107","type":1,"supId":4560231,"supIdStr":"4560231","prevId":0,"prevIdStr":"0","content":"this is the reality. many countries especially those in Europe have already promised a date after which there will not be any polluting vehicles on the road. ICE engineers just have to learn to <u>adapt</u>","text":"this is the reality. many countries especially those in Europe have already promised a date after which there will not be any polluting vehicles on the road. ICE engineers just have to learn to <u>adapt</u>","html":"this is the reality. many countries especially those in Europe have already promised a date after which there will not be any polluting vehicles on the road. 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