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04-12

眼界还是不行

抱歉，原内容已删除

2018-08-18

$阿里巴巴(BABA)$ 好长一根绿线，又翻绿了

2018-02-09

起飞了

$英伟达(NVDA)$ 坐稳了

2018-02-08

盘前不妙，破300了

$网易(NTES)$ 不妙

盘前不妙，破300了

2018-01-06

看好突破50

$京东(JD)$ rt

2017-12-14

正股上涨乏力，call卖不出去啊

$网易(NTES)$ 要不要少赚点卖了呢

正股上涨乏力，call卖不出去啊

2017-12-14

中概股普跌啊

$网易(NTES)$ 什么情况？

中概股普跌啊

2017-12-11

感觉又要高开低走

$网易(NTES)$ 成交很小

感觉又要高开低走

2017-12-04

挺坚挺啊

$网易(NTES)$ 其它中概股都跌

2017-11-27

幸好盘前没上车

$Social Reality Inc(SRAX)$ 终于回调了

幸好盘前没上车

2017-10-27

$AMD(AMD)$破十的节奏

2017-08-28

跌跌不休

$陌陌(MOMO)$ 25再入吧

2017-05-17

盘前什么情况？

$Advanced Micro Devices Inc.(AMD)$ RT

盘前什么情况？

2017-05-04

$500彩票网(WBAI)$跟amd一样深V

2017-05-03

$Advanced Micro Devices Inc.(AMD)$抄底抄早了

2016-11-12

终于反弹了

$网易(NTES)$ 波动真大

终于反弹了

2016-11-03

床铺兄有这么大影响力吗？中概股跌成翔了

2016-10-13

$百度(BIDU)$怎么如此不抗跌

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start;\">大家以为开源是免费的，在成本上有优势，实际上我们认为也不是，闭源在成本上反而是有优势的。只要是同等能力，闭源模型的推理成本一定是更低的，响应速度一定是更快的。反过来，同等参数的情况下，闭源模型的能力也是更强的。今天不管是在中国也好、在美国也好，最强的基础模型都是闭源的，而各种各样的小模型、最好的小模型，都是通过大模型蒸馏来的。通过大模型降维做出来的模型就是更好的，这样也会导致闭源在成本上、在效率上也会有优势。</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\">二、创业者为啥可以依赖文心</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\">双轮驱动不是好模式</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\">首先，外界一些做模型的创业公司讲的所谓的“双轮驱动”不是一个好的模式。既做模型又做应用，势必会分散精力。创业公司的精力和资源都是有限的，同时做两件事情和只做一件事情哪个成功率更高是不言自明的。在任何情况下我们都非常讲专注力，“力出一孔”，当资源有限的时候更应该专注，而不是去搞所谓的“双轮驱动”。</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\">AI创业者的核心竞争力不是模型本身</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\">第二，对于AI创业者来说，核心竞争力本就不应该是模型本身，这太耗资源了，而且需要非常长时间的坚持才能跑出来。</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\">创业者真正的优势应该是在某一个领域的知识、数据。假如说你今天想找一个“黄色的无兜的男士泳裤”，你在任何一个今天的电商平台上都找不到，这种需求目前的技术是解决不了的，大模型如果有领域知识就可以解决，这就是靠领域知识能够提供独特价值的例子。</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\">市面上有这么多模型，大的、小的、开源的、闭源的，在特定应用当中怎么样使用这些模型的组合，是有技巧的，这是创业者可以干的事儿，是可以提供价值增益的。</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\">基础模型不会通吃AI应用</p><p style=\"text-align: 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