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Rivian vs. Ford: Which Is the Better Buy?

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RIVN stock fell 10% as a result of a top- and bottom-line miss, the company’s first report as a public company.\nEven with the drop, Rivian commands a market capitalization of $84 billion. That’s more than&nbsp;Ford(NYSE:F) and&nbsp;General Motors(NYSE:GM). That’s crazy!\nThe valuation with electric vehicle (EV) stocks has gone bananas.\nIn the pre-EV days, automakers were assigned insultingly low valuations. Perhaps we’re in the midst of a great “rerating” in terms of valuation, but building EVs vs. traditional internal combustion engine (ICE) vehiclesshouldn’tcreate such disparity with the valuation.\nThat’s where we find ourselves though, as investors wonder if this shift is permanent or temporary.\nI don’t have anything personal against RIVN stock, but I personally find its valuation to be too high. Shares trade at about 10.4 times 2023 estimates, estimates of which may very well may be too optimistic in the first place.\nThat’s got me comparing it to other automakers, namely Ford.\nRIVN Stock vs. F Stock\nRivian does not generate meaningful revenue at the moment, although it does have a partnership with&nbsp;Amazon(NASDAQ:AMZN). The latter also owns a 20% stake in the company, for what it’s worth.\nEstimates currently call for $3.45 billion in sales next year for Rivian, although that estimate is at risk (in my opinion) as management has said supply chain issues could negatively impact deliveries. On the plus side, there are 71,000 RI reservations for its new vehicle.That’s up 48% in the last two and a half months.\nBut then you flip around to Ford and ask yourself, “If Rivian is worth $84 billion, why is Ford only worth $80 billion?”\nThe company is forecast to generate ~$127 billion in sales in 2021, up 9.5% year over year. In 2022 and 2023, estimates sit at $145.3 billion and $164 billion, respectively.\nThe latter figure is almost 20 times larger than the $8.4 billion Rivian is forecast to generate that year. Now that comparison is a bit like apples to oranges, but it highlights the difference between these two companies and what stage they are at.\nRivian is like the kid that walked into the office and was promoted to VP on their first day. Ford has been there for 30 years and still can’t make partner.\nTruck vs. Truck\nFord is making a serious transition toward EVs. It already has its Mustang Mach E on the road, with the E-Transit on the way. Ford even has a&nbsp;pilot program to help companies integrate&nbsp;the E-Transit into their fleets.\nBut the crown jewel is the F-150 Lightning.\nThe F-Series pickup truck is the best sellingvehiclein the U.S. and has been for more than four decades. While Rivian has an impressive 71,000 reservations, Ford&nbsp;stopped taking reservations&nbsp;for its F-150 Lightning, as the list topped 200,000.\nDemand is clearly through the roof here. While that has many investors optimistic on the future of EV and specifically on Rivian, why don’t they see the competition that’s coming down the pike?\nIt would be one thing if Rivian was going to enter the electric pickup truck market with no competition. But the fact that it’s fighting the electrification of the country’s best-selling pickup and vehicle,andgoing up againstTesla(NASDAQ:TSLA), GM and others, should have investors asking some questions.\nNamely this: Is RIVN stock overvalued or is F stock undervalued — or is it both?\nGranted, the R1T has a better EPA-estimated driving range for its base model than the base model for Ford’s Lightning. That said, Ford’s electric pickup starts at around $40,000 and can get an upgrade to its range, while the R1T has a starting price of roughly $67,500.\nFord expects to&nbsp;“increase its production capacity of electric vehicles to 600,000 units globally by 2023.” Further, CEO Jim Farley “expects that would make the company the second-largest U.S.-based producer of EVs,” just behind&nbsp;Tesla(NASDAQ:TSLA).\nFor what it’s worth, General Motors will likely be in that mix as well, with management previously stating it expects to produce 1 million EVs by 2025.\nBottom Line on RIVN Stock\nI must repeat again that I don’t have anything personal against Rivian. I actually really like EVs and autonomous driving systems and I covered the space for years.\nBut the sudden fascination with this industry — shown via the valuations — has me asking some questions as to how it’s justified. 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RIVN stock fell 10% as a result of a top- and bottom-line miss, the company’s first report as a public company.\nEven with...\n\n<a href=\"https://investorplace.com/2021/12/rivian-rivn-stock-vs-ford-which-is-the-better-buy/\">Web Link</a>\n\n</div>\n\n\n</article>\n</div>\n</body>\n</html>\n","type":0,"thumbnail":"","relate_stocks":{"RIVN":"Rivian Automotive, Inc.","F":"福特汽车"},"source_url":"https://investorplace.com/2021/12/rivian-rivn-stock-vs-ford-which-is-the-better-buy/","is_english":true,"share_image_url":"https://static.laohu8.com/e9f99090a1c2ed51c021029395664489","article_id":"1119859400","content_text":"Rivian(NASDAQ:RIVN) recently hit new lows on Dec. 17 after reporting earnings. RIVN stock fell 10% as a result of a top- and bottom-line miss, the company’s first report as a public company.\nEven with the drop, Rivian commands a market capitalization of $84 billion. That’s more than Ford(NYSE:F) and General Motors(NYSE:GM). That’s crazy!\nThe valuation with electric vehicle (EV) stocks has gone bananas.\nIn the pre-EV days, automakers were assigned insultingly low valuations. Perhaps we’re in the midst of a great “rerating” in terms of valuation, but building EVs vs. traditional internal combustion engine (ICE) vehiclesshouldn’tcreate such disparity with the valuation.\nThat’s where we find ourselves though, as investors wonder if this shift is permanent or temporary.\nI don’t have anything personal against RIVN stock, but I personally find its valuation to be too high. Shares trade at about 10.4 times 2023 estimates, estimates of which may very well may be too optimistic in the first place.\nThat’s got me comparing it to other automakers, namely Ford.\nRIVN Stock vs. F Stock\nRivian does not generate meaningful revenue at the moment, although it does have a partnership with Amazon(NASDAQ:AMZN). The latter also owns a 20% stake in the company, for what it’s worth.\nEstimates currently call for $3.45 billion in sales next year for Rivian, although that estimate is at risk (in my opinion) as management has said supply chain issues could negatively impact deliveries. On the plus side, there are 71,000 RI reservations for its new vehicle.That’s up 48% in the last two and a half months.\nBut then you flip around to Ford and ask yourself, “If Rivian is worth $84 billion, why is Ford only worth $80 billion?”\nThe company is forecast to generate ~$127 billion in sales in 2021, up 9.5% year over year. In 2022 and 2023, estimates sit at $145.3 billion and $164 billion, respectively.\nThe latter figure is almost 20 times larger than the $8.4 billion Rivian is forecast to generate that year. Now that comparison is a bit like apples to oranges, but it highlights the difference between these two companies and what stage they are at.\nRivian is like the kid that walked into the office and was promoted to VP on their first day. Ford has been there for 30 years and still can’t make partner.\nTruck vs. Truck\nFord is making a serious transition toward EVs. It already has its Mustang Mach E on the road, with the E-Transit on the way. Ford even has a pilot program to help companies integrate the E-Transit into their fleets.\nBut the crown jewel is the F-150 Lightning.\nThe F-Series pickup truck is the best sellingvehiclein the U.S. and has been for more than four decades. While Rivian has an impressive 71,000 reservations, Ford stopped taking reservations for its F-150 Lightning, as the list topped 200,000.\nDemand is clearly through the roof here. While that has many investors optimistic on the future of EV and specifically on Rivian, why don’t they see the competition that’s coming down the pike?\nIt would be one thing if Rivian was going to enter the electric pickup truck market with no competition. But the fact that it’s fighting the electrification of the country’s best-selling pickup and vehicle,andgoing up againstTesla(NASDAQ:TSLA), GM and others, should have investors asking some questions.\nNamely this: Is RIVN stock overvalued or is F stock undervalued — or is it both?\nGranted, the R1T has a better EPA-estimated driving range for its base model than the base model for Ford’s Lightning. That said, Ford’s electric pickup starts at around $40,000 and can get an upgrade to its range, while the R1T has a starting price of roughly $67,500.\nFord expects to “increase its production capacity of electric vehicles to 600,000 units globally by 2023.” Further, CEO Jim Farley “expects that would make the company the second-largest U.S.-based producer of EVs,” just behind Tesla(NASDAQ:TSLA).\nFor what it’s worth, General Motors will likely be in that mix as well, with management previously stating it expects to produce 1 million EVs by 2025.\nBottom Line on RIVN Stock\nI must repeat again that I don’t have anything personal against Rivian. I actually really like EVs and autonomous driving systems and I covered the space for years.\nBut the sudden fascination with this industry — shown via the valuations — has me asking some questions as to how it’s justified. For now, I still don’t have the answer and, between the two stocks, I’d rather be long Ford at these levels than RIVN stock.","news_type":1},"isVote":1,"tweetType":1,"viewCount":972,"commentLimit":10,"likeStatus":false,"favoriteStatus":false,"reportStatus":false,"symbols":[],"verified":2,"subType":0,"readableState":1,"langContent":"CN","currentLanguage":"CN","warmUpFlag":false,"orderFlag":false,"shareable":true,"causeOfNotShareable":"","featuresForAnalytics":[],"commentAndTweetFlag":false,"andRepostAutoSelectedFlag":false,"upFlag":false,"length":10,"xxTargetLangEnum":"ZH_CN"},"commentList":[],"isCommentEnd":true,"isTiger":false,"isWeiXinMini":false,"url":"/m/post/691433622"}