本来以为蔚来够蠢的，_老虎社区_美港股上老虎

2022-10-31

本来以为蔚来够蠢的，搞了一个定赔的换电站，无视电池技术的发展，今天看到小鹏的飞行汽车，这更蠢啊

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程美_0461
2022-11-01
程美_0461
肯定不是蔚来汽车车主没有体验过乱喷蔚来
- JaneLiu0128:
  当这么蠢的车主，不要不要
要发大财
2022-11-01
要发大财
应该没有开过电车，更没有开电车出远门。蔚来的换电站恰恰是充分考虑电池技术的发展，以及电车出行的便捷高效，所有车型都可以更换电池、升级电池。这对于车主来说是最大的好处。
晨灿__
2022-11-01
晨灿__
你觉得人家蠢？ [开心] 谁规定制造一定要卖出去才有钱。我就举个例子制造了可不可以融资可不可以去征服拿高新企业减免 … 等等一系列的操作请问需要卖一台吗
JaneLiu0128
2022-12-12
JaneLiu0128
我的预测从来没有错，电池技术会不断进步，换电站只是鸡肋，你们看着吧，蔚来一定会倒闭
fincc
2022-10-31
fincc
哈哈哈，说得好，换电这么蠢的模式居然还在拼命往里面投钱，理想算是不玩花活比较正常的
火火兔爸
2022-10-31
火火兔爸
纯属吸引眼球用的

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