给信仰粉科普一下产能问题是怎么回事

2017-11-21

$特斯拉(TSLA)$ 支持特斯拉的人总喜欢说产能问题总能解决，这句话原则上是没错的：一般来说，只要肯花钱，能生产1台就能生产100台。但问题是生产能力本身没有意义，不计成本的生产并没有任何价值。我们需要的是在成本可接受前提下的产能，很多时候所谓的产能问题其实是成本问题。是的，只要舍得花钱特斯拉可以解决产能问题，但是成本问题才是电动车没能普及的真正原因。现在特斯拉的估值已经比肩传统巨头了，真不懂你们凭什么相信特斯拉可以在电动车上战胜传统巨头？我并没有看到特斯拉在解决电动车核心问题-成本上相对传统车企有任何领先，所以我坚定做空。欢迎多头表达你们的观点，友好交流。

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T4856905
2017-11-21
T4856905
对于一个准备把人类送上火星人殖民的人，一个已经已经实现了火箭回收的人，你觉得传统汽车行业的壁垒算什么？别的不说，加州特斯拉满地跑是事实，长期依旧看好。
- 抓机会打回复T4856905:
  对别人公布的信息你自己要有判断，不能他说什么你就信什么，要能从他公布的信息判断事情的本质。我说你没上过大学实在得罪人，不好意思，这么说是因为马斯克说什么你就信什么，我实在不能接受。
- lcn回复抓机会打:
  自己说不喷，友好交流，我看大家都挺有好的。就你喷最凶就。
  你这个就叫“给脸不要脸”。
- lcn回复抓机会打:
  你个人真是的，自己说不碰，别人友好和你交流，你说别人没上过大学？嘴巴贱，给脸不要脸。
- T4856905回复二饼:
  这些信息，上网自己一搜就知道。然而自诩受过高等教育的楼主不会自己查阅英文网站，上来就跟乞丐一样伸手要别人给提供信息，这学怕是也白上了。当然，我在这儿这么较真跟这种蠢货争论，也好不到哪里去。
- T4856905回复二饼:
  数据说话，第三季度只交付了260台model 3。十一月第二周预计交付500台，远少于之前预期的1500台。产能不足最主要受限于金属焊接和电池组装。产能不足的直接导致后续生产不能跟上。这跟成本一点关系都没有，只是因为产能不足导致的资金链断裂危机。
赌侠1999
2017-11-21
赌侠1999
笑死我了，说好友好交流，一上来就说人家没上过大学，我靠，这个时代你不会还以为上过大学很了不起吧？你这思维这么落后，怪不得会看空特斯拉。
- T4856905回复我容易吗我:
  不管最后移民火星成功与否，SpaceX是别人创立的，火箭回收别人做成了，我就算无脑信仰他又怎么了？键盘侠白活几十年什么成就也没有还要一副众人皆醉我独醒的模样，各种指点江山，自己都不觉得可笑么？
- 我容易吗我回复抓机会打:
  建议你了解一下邓宁克鲁格效应。
- lcn:
  😄
- 抓机会打:
  我只是看不起有的人没有任何判断能力，马斯克说什么就信什么。我看空因为我知道马斯克说的哪些话是骗人的
上海滩股
2017-11-21
上海滩股
一直亏损，为什么市值超过其它汽车巨头？为什么5年前、3年前不做空？按照这个汽车行业盈利分析，特斯拉最多值15亿。亚马逊市盈率几百倍，上市20年也未盈利，前2年刚刚盈利。先自己捋一捋
- 抓机会打回复上海滩股:
  666 我是不是瞎蒙我不好说，但是至少你回复里面质问我的几个问题显得很没水平
- 上海滩股回复抓机会打:
  你是知其然不知其所以然。我也短期看空，但你是属于瞎蒙的看空。
- 抓机会打:
  因为有你们这些信仰粉啊。3年前特斯拉才多少市值？市值被严重高估才值得做空。再说，3年前你就做美股了？亚马逊每个季度亏几亿？亚马逊发行的债券被评为过垃圾级？
白夜行
2017-11-21
白夜行
诺基亚还不是做过智能机，不一样被乔布斯淘汰了……特斯拉未必最后赢，但是基本不会是那些传统的燃油产商
- 抓机会打回复白夜行:
  一票手机厂商打败了诺基亚，现在你们相信特斯拉能打败一票行业巨头？
- 白夜行回复yishisanren:
  我们并没有做错什么，但不知为什么，我们输了～约玛·奥里拉
  
  人家诺基亚ceo才叫狡辩，他这不算什么
- yishisanren回复抓机会打:
  将诺基亚的衰败归结于木马…真的非要这么狡辩么
- 抓机会打:
  诺基亚可是智能机的开山鼻祖好吧，至于他的落寞怕是要归功于微软来的木马ceo吧
药丸丸
2017-11-22
药丸丸
想一下从人工纺织到机器纺织的区别。从人工生产机器到机器生产机器的区别。现在就在这个转变的过程中。
- 抓机会打:
  你这是靠想象洗地啊
  工业机器人技术很成熟的
lcn
2017-11-21
lcn
前不见古人后不见来者
- 抓机会打回复甩甩虎:
  投资都是赚的？你这理由搞笑了
- 甩甩虎回复抓机会打:
  所以投资人都是傻逼被把钱给了年年亏损的人，都没有你聪明
- 抓机会打:
  上市以后年年亏，到了第10年还每个季度亏几亿美元确实前不见古人

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