Toyota turns to Chinese tech to reach its electric holy grail

Reuters2021-12-03

Toyota Motor Corp will launch an all-electric small sedan in China late next year, having turned to local partner BYD for key technology to finally make an affordable yet roomy runaround, four sources...

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RS142
2021-12-03
RS142
Is BYD better than NIO?
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2021-12-03
天财寻者
Sounds like Toyota getting slow to catch up with tech and need to depend on competitors.
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2021-12-03
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Please like
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