What Will It Take to Make an EV? Ask Rivian and Ford

Bloomberg2021-11-25

In the rush to forge ties with a hot, new startup, what seemed like a match made in heaven ultimately crashed and burned. They looked like the perfect couple. Photographer: Bing Guan/Bloomberg ...

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SkyTC
2021-11-29
SkyTC
[Miser] nice…
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2021-11-26
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Rokettodan
2021-11-26
Rokettodan
What happens once the lockup period ends will be interesting because even after taxation Ford is set to make billions as they bought the stock at average of 8.04... this will be pumped for sure in their EV strategy plan.
Tamashii
2021-11-25
Tamashii
Waiting for Apple
T2huat
2021-11-25
T2huat
Ok
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2021-11-25
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It maintained the partnership was still strong, noting that they were working on “an alternative vehicle.”\nIn the rush to pair up and give investors some hope in a cloak-and-dagger string of events, the Ford and Rivian decision, in retrospect, looks like it was just aesthetically pleasing. By the time Ford put in the half-million dollars, Rivian had already raised over $1.5 billion and was valued at close to $7 billion.\nIn a way, it’s a sign of how both companies underestimated themselves — perhaps we’re still in for all sorts of great electric trucks and SUVs? Ford’s current CEO Jim Farley said this month his firm plans to double its EV production capacity. But the reality is, we’ll need to start seeing more of them first. In addition, there has to be further discussion and disclosure around what didn’t work for the two parties — because it sounded like it should have been straightforward. That would do the vibrant electric vehicle conversation a big favor.\nMany EV manufacturers are contracting out production and have often struggled to get it up and running (including Tesla in the early days). What issues are they running into? Is this a tech — hardware or software — issue or just philosophical? What seems like a good, synergistic partnership or tie-up may need a more considered look.\nFor investors, that’s a warning, especially as the rush to go electric and a slew of new technologies mushroom across the electric vehicle value chain. 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