Tax on Billionaires’ Unrealized Gains Will Likely Be in Budget Package, Democrats Say

The Wall Street Journal2021-10-25

The proposal, which would likely affect fewer than 1,000 of the wealthiest U.S. taxpayers, would help pay for Biden’s social policy and climate legislation ‘We probably will have a wealth tax,’ House ...

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koolgal
2021-10-25
koolgal
Even if the Billionaires are taxed, it is just pocket change. They also have the best accountants and lawyers to help them with their tax returns. 👍😊
- koolgal:
  I agree. Thanks for sharing 👍😊
- ColinThorndike:
  but you have to admit that the rich tax has truly hepled many poors. For normal people like us, we should be happy and greatful for life, and be prepared for opportunities!🤪
- koolgal:
  Well said. Thanks 👍😊
- 滚股怪:
  This is life
Bull1973
2021-10-25
Bull1973
Ok
miaomee
2021-10-25
miaomee
Like pls
- Bull1973:
  Ok
SandDust
2021-10-25
SandDust
Many loopholes.
- miaomee:
  Yes
TK360
2021-10-25
TK360
Nice
Venus_M
2021-10-25
Venus_M
Even it's on billionaires, this doesn't sound fair nor right! 🤔 I wonder how those billionaires who vote for Biden feels about this..
- Wayneqq回复Venus_M:
  [LOL] well… they are desperate for sure… everyone can see that.. [LOL]
- Venus_M回复Wayneqq:
  but it is way too obvious that they're so desperate to even think of taxing them based on unrealised gains [捂脸]
- Wayneqq回复Venus_M:
  They will not bother us because the admin cost to tax us will be higher than what they can take back.. our returns will be peanuts compares to those earning billions
- Venus_M:
  thank goodness they only target on billionaires [笑哭]
- Wayneqq:
  It either would not pass or it will pass but the billionaires will not pay as much as they are expected to simply because they have the best tax experts under their payroll to find loopholes for them

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For normal people like us, we should be happy and greatful for life, and be prepared for opportunities!🤪","text":"but you have to admit that the rich tax has truly hepled many poors. For normal people like us, we should be happy and greatful for life, and be prepared for opportunities!🤪","html":"but you have to admit that the rich tax has truly hepled many poors. For normal people like us, we should be happy and greatful for life, and be prepared for opportunities!🤪"},{"id":6317836,"gmtCreate":1635154044402,"gmtModify":1635154044402,"authorId":3559581955535845,"author":{"id":3559581955535845,"authorId":3559581955535845,"name":"koolgal","avatar":"https://static.tigerbbs.com/c05274d88ffc0434623e57350c52c70a","vip":2,"crmLevel":6,"crmLevelSwitch":0,"individualDisplayBadges":[]},"repliedAuthorId":0,"objectId":856935164,"type":1,"supId":6317817,"prevId":0,"content":"Well said.&nbsp; Thanks 👍😊","text":"Well said.&nbsp; Thanks 👍😊","html":"Well said.&nbsp; Thanks 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