Morgan Stanley Doubles Down On Doom: Calls For "Fire And Ice" Correction

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Three weeks ago, when the markets were gripped by a brief but sharp selloff over fears of Evergrande default contagtion (which certainly remains on the table), Morgan Stanley's Mike Wilsontook the ...

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DragonKC
2021-10-09
DragonKC
Nobody or institutions can predict which directions the market heading. Morgan Stanley just trying it's luck to get it desperately accurate. Flip or flop . What a joke. Haha.
Gunners80
2021-10-09
Gunners80
Really??
- HUATkueh:
  Ok
Gunners80
2021-10-09
Gunners80
Fud
- stardice:
  Liked and commented
Jenjorjack
2021-10-09
Jenjorjack
A destructive 20% of Fire and Ice in the mid cycle. I think could be more. Think about how to antifragile your holdings
AnthonyC
2021-10-09
AnthonyC
Like please
- WBT13:
  done
Hannaqing
2021-10-09
Hannaqing
like ple
- AnthonyC:
  Done
- TJW1991:
  k

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However, the \"ice\" scenario is starting to look more likely, and could result in a more destructive outcome – i.e. a 20%+ correction. As a result, \n we continue to recommend a barbell of more defensively oriented quality (Healthcare and Staples) to protect from the \"ice\" scenario while keeping a leg in Financials to participate in the \"fire\" outcome as higher rates materialize.\n\nAnd just so it was clear that Wilson stubbornly refused to join the bullish bandwagon, he said that \"with our year end target 10% below current levels, our view is clear: the mid-cycle transition will end with the rolling correction finally hitting the S&P 500.\"\nFast forward to today when with stocks once again barreling higher, Wilson doubled down on his bearish view and in the latest Morgan Stanley strategy data pack, writes that \"we are now calling for Fire AND Ice.\"Here, he again recaps the two possible mid-cycle correction outcomes he had been envisioning:\n\nFire:tightening financial conditions as the Fed signals tapering is coming\nIce:growth disappointment particularly on the earnings side\n\nAnd so, in a reversal from what he said last month, Wilson now thinks\"it’s increasingly likely these scenarios happen together and we get a >10% correction.The Fed will likely announce its taper plans at its next FOMC meeting just as we expect a disappointment in earnings to materialize.\"\nAnd since much digital ink has been spilled discussing the impact of the coming taper, we will focus on his second warning, namely the coming trouble for corporate earnings, which echoes what we said more than a month ago...\n\n... and which Wilson distills simply as \"Earnings Trouble Ahead.\"\nHere, the strategist points to the large number of companies flagging serious supply chain issues in off-cycle earnings reports over the past month and notes that \"both forward earnings estimates and price de-rated after many of these reports.\"\n\nJumping to the punchline, Wilson thinks this will be a pervasive dynamic during 3Q reporting season and it will \"trigger downside in earnings revisions at the index level - a headwind for price.\"\n\nFinally, looking beyond 3Q, he sees the earnings risk coming more from(1) the inability of companies to pass on pricing (2) margin risk related more to higher wages and (3) a reversion (lower) in goods consumption.","news_type":1},"isVote":1,"likeStatus":false,"favoriteStatus":false,"reportStatus":false,"tweetType":1,"langContent":"CN"},{"id":821672635,"gmtCreate":1633744174509,"gmtModify":1633744174896,"author":{"id":"3568161254291931","authorId":"3568161254291931","name":"Gunners80","avatar":"https://static.tigerbbs.com/1b631d2d208e0248c96ed1117c4db37e","vip":1,"crmLevel":5,"crmLevelSwitch":0,"idStr":"3568161254291931","authorIdStr":"3568161254291931"},"htmlText":"Really??","listText":"Really??","text":"Really??","images":[],"top":1,"highlighted":1,"essential":1,"paper":1,"likeSize":1,"commentSize":1,"repostSize":0,"link":"https://laohu8.com/post/821672635","repostId":1195699682,"repostType":4,"repost":{"id":"1195699682","pubTimestamp":1633706084,"share":"https://www.laohu8.com/m/news/1195699682?lang=&edition=full","pubTime":"2021-10-08 23:14","market":"us","language":"en","title":"Morgan Stanley Doubles Down On Doom: Calls For \"Fire And Ice\" Correction","url":"https://stock-news.laohu8.com/highlight/detail?id=1195699682","media":"zerohedge","summary":"Three weeks ago, when the markets were gripped by a brief but sharp selloff over fears of Evergrande","content":"<p>Three weeks ago, when the markets were gripped by a brief but sharp selloff over fears of Evergrande default contagtion (which certainly remains on the table), Morgan Stanley's Mike Wilsontook the opportunityto pour some fuel on the fire, or rather \"ice\", and warned that odds of a \"destructive\" 20% correction are rising.</p>\n<p>As a reminder, for much of the summer, Wilson had been predicting that the current market meltup would end either in \"fire\", i.e. a sharp market correction...</p>\n<p><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/e7ed4becb4b4add1c291379068668ca7\" tg-width=\"1123\" tg-height=\"660\" referrerpolicy=\"no-referrer\"></p>\n<p>or or \"Ice\", with consumer spending grinding to a halt...</p>\n<p><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/83d20b93fac562ec12c5371ce0cec674\" tg-width=\"1130\" tg-height=\"661\" referrerpolicy=\"no-referrer\"></p>\n<p>Pointing to his two gloomy predictions during the \"Evergrande Monday\" plunge, Wilson wrote that \"the ice scenario would be worse for markets<b>and we are leaning in that direction</b>given the fall in consumer confidence and reset lower in PMIs we expect.\" This is what he said, in the context of his longer running thesis that the \"mid-cycle\" is about to have a painful correction as we gradually transition into late cycle:</p>\n<blockquote>\n The typical mid-cycle \"fire\" outcome would lead to a modest and healthy 10% correction in the S&amp;P 500. However, the \"ice\" scenario is starting to look more likely, and could result in a more destructive outcome – i.e. a 20%+ correction. As a result, \n <b>we continue to recommend a barbell of more defensively oriented quality (Healthcare and Staples) to protect from the \"ice\" scenario while keeping a leg in Financials to participate in the \"fire\" outcome as higher rates materialize.</b>\n</blockquote>\n<p>And just so it was clear that Wilson stubbornly refused to join the bullish bandwagon, he said that \"with our year end target 10% below current levels, our view is clear: the mid-cycle transition will end with the rolling correction finally hitting the S&amp;P 500.\"</p>\n<p>Fast forward to today when with stocks once again barreling higher, Wilson doubled down on his bearish view and in the latest Morgan Stanley strategy data pack, writes that \"<b>we are now calling for Fire AND Ice.\"</b>Here, he again recaps the two possible mid-cycle correction outcomes he had been envisioning:</p>\n<ul>\n <li><b>Fire:</b>tightening financial conditions as the Fed signals tapering is coming</li>\n <li><b>Ice:</b>growth disappointment particularly on the earnings side</li>\n</ul>\n<p>And so, in a reversal from what he said last month, Wilson now thinks<b>\"it’s increasingly likely these scenarios happen together and we get a &gt;10% correction.</b>The Fed will likely announce its taper plans at its next FOMC meeting just as we expect a disappointment in earnings to materialize.\"</p>\n<p>And since much digital ink has been spilled discussing the impact of the coming taper, we will focus on his second warning, namely the coming trouble for corporate earnings, which echoes what we said more than a month ago...</p>\n<p><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/35ca94354b7552e106b3d35a4245e356\" tg-width=\"507\" tg-height=\"286\" referrerpolicy=\"no-referrer\"></p>\n<p>... and which Wilson distills simply as \"Earnings Trouble Ahead.\"</p>\n<p>Here, the strategist points to the large number of companies flagging serious supply chain issues in off-cycle earnings reports over the past month and notes that \"<b>both forward earnings estimates and price de-rated after many of these reports.\"</b></p>\n<p><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/be884d8276f2170f18ee79f621c647a1\" tg-width=\"1085\" tg-height=\"729\" referrerpolicy=\"no-referrer\"></p>\n<p>Jumping to the punchline, Wilson thinks this will be a pervasive dynamic during 3Q reporting season and it will \"<b>trigger downside in earnings revisions at the index level - a headwind for price.\"</b></p>\n<p><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/8c39e1bbced9475fd293f9d4ed624a7e\" tg-width=\"1104\" tg-height=\"723\" referrerpolicy=\"no-referrer\"></p>\n<p>Finally, looking beyond 3Q, he sees the earnings risk coming more from<b>(1) the inability of companies to pass on pricing (2) margin risk related more to higher wages and (3) a reversion (lower) in goods consumption.</b></p>","collect":0,"html":"<!DOCTYPE html>\n<html>\n<head>\n<meta http-equiv=\"Content-Type\" content=\"text/html; 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However, the \"ice\" scenario is starting to look more likely, and could result in a more destructive outcome – i.e. a 20%+ correction. As a result, \n we continue to recommend a barbell of more defensively oriented quality (Healthcare and Staples) to protect from the \"ice\" scenario while keeping a leg in Financials to participate in the \"fire\" outcome as higher rates materialize.\n\nAnd just so it was clear that Wilson stubbornly refused to join the bullish bandwagon, he said that \"with our year end target 10% below current levels, our view is clear: the mid-cycle transition will end with the rolling correction finally hitting the S&P 500.\"\nFast forward to today when with stocks once again barreling higher, Wilson doubled down on his bearish view and in the latest Morgan Stanley strategy data pack, writes that \"we are now calling for Fire AND Ice.\"Here, he again recaps the two possible mid-cycle correction outcomes he had been envisioning:\n\nFire:tightening financial conditions as the Fed signals tapering is coming\nIce:growth disappointment particularly on the earnings side\n\nAnd so, in a reversal from what he said last month, Wilson now thinks\"it’s increasingly likely these scenarios happen together and we get a >10% correction.The Fed will likely announce its taper plans at its next FOMC meeting just as we expect a disappointment in earnings to materialize.\"\nAnd since much digital ink has been spilled discussing the impact of the coming taper, we will focus on his second warning, namely the coming trouble for corporate earnings, which echoes what we said more than a month ago...\n\n... and which Wilson distills simply as \"Earnings Trouble Ahead.\"\nHere, the strategist points to the large number of companies flagging serious supply chain issues in off-cycle earnings reports over the past month and notes that \"both forward earnings estimates and price de-rated after many of these reports.\"\n\nJumping to the punchline, Wilson thinks this will be a pervasive dynamic during 3Q reporting season and it will \"trigger downside in earnings revisions at the index level - 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However, the \"ice\" scenario is starting to look more likely, and could result in a more destructive outcome – i.e. a 20%+ correction. As a result, \n <b>we continue to recommend a barbell of more defensively oriented quality (Healthcare and Staples) to protect from the \"ice\" scenario while keeping a leg in Financials to participate in the \"fire\" outcome as higher rates materialize.</b>\n</blockquote>\n<p>And just so it was clear that Wilson stubbornly refused to join the bullish bandwagon, he said that \"with our year end target 10% below current levels, our view is clear: the mid-cycle transition will end with the rolling correction finally hitting the S&amp;P 500.\"</p>\n<p>Fast forward to today when with stocks once again barreling higher, Wilson doubled down on his bearish view and in the latest Morgan Stanley strategy data pack, writes that \"<b>we are now calling for Fire AND Ice.\"</b>Here, he again recaps the two possible mid-cycle correction outcomes he had been envisioning:</p>\n<ul>\n <li><b>Fire:</b>tightening financial conditions as the Fed signals tapering is coming</li>\n <li><b>Ice:</b>growth disappointment particularly on the earnings side</li>\n</ul>\n<p>And so, in a reversal from what he said last month, Wilson now thinks<b>\"it’s increasingly likely these scenarios happen together and we get a &gt;10% correction.</b>The Fed will likely announce its taper plans at its next FOMC meeting just as we expect a disappointment in earnings to materialize.\"</p>\n<p>And since much digital ink has been spilled discussing the impact of the coming taper, we will focus on his second warning, namely the coming trouble for corporate earnings, which echoes what we said more than a month ago...</p>\n<p><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/35ca94354b7552e106b3d35a4245e356\" tg-width=\"507\" tg-height=\"286\" referrerpolicy=\"no-referrer\"></p>\n<p>... and which Wilson distills simply as \"Earnings Trouble Ahead.\"</p>\n<p>Here, the strategist points to the large number of companies flagging serious supply chain issues in off-cycle earnings reports over the past month and notes that \"<b>both forward earnings estimates and price de-rated after many of these reports.\"</b></p>\n<p><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/be884d8276f2170f18ee79f621c647a1\" tg-width=\"1085\" tg-height=\"729\" referrerpolicy=\"no-referrer\"></p>\n<p>Jumping to the punchline, Wilson thinks this will be a pervasive dynamic during 3Q reporting season and it will \"<b>trigger downside in earnings revisions at the index level - a headwind for price.\"</b></p>\n<p><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/8c39e1bbced9475fd293f9d4ed624a7e\" tg-width=\"1104\" tg-height=\"723\" referrerpolicy=\"no-referrer\"></p>\n<p>Finally, looking beyond 3Q, he sees the earnings risk coming more from<b>(1) the inability of companies to pass on pricing (2) margin risk related more to higher wages and (3) a reversion (lower) in goods consumption.</b></p>","collect":0,"html":"<!DOCTYPE html>\n<html>\n<head>\n<meta http-equiv=\"Content-Type\" content=\"text/html; 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However, the \"ice\" scenario is starting to look more likely, and could result in a more destructive outcome – i.e. a 20%+ correction. As a result, \n we continue to recommend a barbell of more defensively oriented quality (Healthcare and Staples) to protect from the \"ice\" scenario while keeping a leg in Financials to participate in the \"fire\" outcome as higher rates materialize.\n\nAnd just so it was clear that Wilson stubbornly refused to join the bullish bandwagon, he said that \"with our year end target 10% below current levels, our view is clear: the mid-cycle transition will end with the rolling correction finally hitting the S&P 500.\"\nFast forward to today when with stocks once again barreling higher, Wilson doubled down on his bearish view and in the latest Morgan Stanley strategy data pack, writes that \"we are now calling for Fire AND Ice.\"Here, he again recaps the two possible mid-cycle correction outcomes he had been envisioning:\n\nFire:tightening financial conditions as the Fed signals tapering is coming\nIce:growth disappointment particularly on the earnings side\n\nAnd so, in a reversal from what he said last month, Wilson now thinks\"it’s increasingly likely these scenarios happen together and we get a >10% correction.The Fed will likely announce its taper plans at its next FOMC meeting just as we expect a disappointment in earnings to materialize.\"\nAnd since much digital ink has been spilled discussing the impact of the coming taper, we will focus on his second warning, namely the coming trouble for corporate earnings, which echoes what we said more than a month ago...\n\n... and which Wilson distills simply as \"Earnings Trouble Ahead.\"\nHere, the strategist points to the large number of companies flagging serious supply chain issues in off-cycle earnings reports over the past month and notes that \"both forward earnings estimates and price de-rated after many of these reports.\"\n\nJumping to the punchline, Wilson thinks this will be a pervasive dynamic during 3Q reporting season and it will \"trigger downside in earnings revisions at the index level - a headwind for price.\"\n\nFinally, looking beyond 3Q, he sees the earnings risk coming more from(1) the inability of companies to pass on pricing (2) margin risk related more to higher wages and (3) a reversion (lower) in goods consumption.","news_type":1},"isVote":1,"likeStatus":false,"favoriteStatus":false,"reportStatus":false,"tweetType":1,"comments":[{"id":6139872,"gmtCreate":1633747813655,"gmtModify":1634718048784,"authorId":3569374298664989,"author":{"id":3569374298664989,"idStr":"3569374298664989","authorId":3569374298664989,"name":"stardice","avatar":"https://static.laohu8.com/default-avatar.jpg","vip":1,"crmLevel":2,"crmLevelSwitch":0,"individualDisplayBadges":[]},"repliedAuthorId":0,"objectId":821672045,"type":1,"supId":0,"prevId":0,"content":"Liked and commented","text":"Liked and commented","html":"Liked and commented"}],"langContent":"CN"},{"id":821640087,"gmtCreate":1633743038053,"gmtModify":1633743039298,"author":{"id":"3554873215379647","authorId":"3554873215379647","name":"Jenjorjack","avatar":"https://static.tigerbbs.com/d9d4687aa5519f0d2fb1b18f916be861","vip":1,"crmLevel":6,"crmLevelSwitch":0,"idStr":"3554873215379647","authorIdStr":"3554873215379647"},"htmlText":"A destructive 20% of Fire and Ice in the mid cycle. I think could be more. Think about how to antifragile your holdings","listText":"A destructive 20% of Fire and Ice in the mid cycle. I think could be more. Think about how to antifragile your holdings","text":"A destructive 20% of Fire and Ice in the mid cycle. I think could be more. Think about how to antifragile your holdings","images":[],"top":1,"highlighted":1,"essential":1,"paper":1,"likeSize":1,"commentSize":0,"repostSize":0,"link":"https://laohu8.com/post/821640087","repostId":1195699682,"repostType":4,"repost":{"id":"1195699682","pubTimestamp":1633706084,"share":"https://www.laohu8.com/m/news/1195699682?lang=&edition=full","pubTime":"2021-10-08 23:14","market":"us","language":"en","title":"Morgan Stanley Doubles Down On Doom: Calls For \"Fire And Ice\" Correction","url":"https://stock-news.laohu8.com/highlight/detail?id=1195699682","media":"zerohedge","summary":"Three weeks ago, when the markets were gripped by a brief but sharp selloff over fears of Evergrande","content":"<p>Three weeks ago, when the markets were gripped by a brief but sharp selloff over fears of Evergrande default contagtion (which certainly remains on the table), Morgan Stanley's Mike Wilsontook the opportunityto pour some fuel on the fire, or rather \"ice\", and warned that odds of a \"destructive\" 20% correction are rising.</p>\n<p>As a reminder, for much of the summer, Wilson had been predicting that the current market meltup would end either in \"fire\", i.e. a sharp market correction...</p>\n<p><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/e7ed4becb4b4add1c291379068668ca7\" tg-width=\"1123\" tg-height=\"660\" referrerpolicy=\"no-referrer\"></p>\n<p>or or \"Ice\", with consumer spending grinding to a halt...</p>\n<p><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/83d20b93fac562ec12c5371ce0cec674\" tg-width=\"1130\" tg-height=\"661\" referrerpolicy=\"no-referrer\"></p>\n<p>Pointing to his two gloomy predictions during the \"Evergrande Monday\" plunge, Wilson wrote that \"the ice scenario would be worse for markets<b>and we are leaning in that direction</b>given the fall in consumer confidence and reset lower in PMIs we expect.\" This is what he said, in the context of his longer running thesis that the \"mid-cycle\" is about to have a painful correction as we gradually transition into late cycle:</p>\n<blockquote>\n The typical mid-cycle \"fire\" outcome would lead to a modest and healthy 10% correction in the S&amp;P 500. However, the \"ice\" scenario is starting to look more likely, and could result in a more destructive outcome – i.e. a 20%+ correction. As a result, \n <b>we continue to recommend a barbell of more defensively oriented quality (Healthcare and Staples) to protect from the \"ice\" scenario while keeping a leg in Financials to participate in the \"fire\" outcome as higher rates materialize.</b>\n</blockquote>\n<p>And just so it was clear that Wilson stubbornly refused to join the bullish bandwagon, he said that \"with our year end target 10% below current levels, our view is clear: the mid-cycle transition will end with the rolling correction finally hitting the S&amp;P 500.\"</p>\n<p>Fast forward to today when with stocks once again barreling higher, Wilson doubled down on his bearish view and in the latest Morgan Stanley strategy data pack, writes that \"<b>we are now calling for Fire AND Ice.\"</b>Here, he again recaps the two possible mid-cycle correction outcomes he had been envisioning:</p>\n<ul>\n <li><b>Fire:</b>tightening financial conditions as the Fed signals tapering is coming</li>\n <li><b>Ice:</b>growth disappointment particularly on the earnings side</li>\n</ul>\n<p>And so, in a reversal from what he said last month, Wilson now thinks<b>\"it’s increasingly likely these scenarios happen together and we get a &gt;10% correction.</b>The Fed will likely announce its taper plans at its next FOMC meeting just as we expect a disappointment in earnings to materialize.\"</p>\n<p>And since much digital ink has been spilled discussing the impact of the coming taper, we will focus on his second warning, namely the coming trouble for corporate earnings, which echoes what we said more than a month ago...</p>\n<p><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/35ca94354b7552e106b3d35a4245e356\" tg-width=\"507\" tg-height=\"286\" referrerpolicy=\"no-referrer\"></p>\n<p>... and which Wilson distills simply as \"Earnings Trouble Ahead.\"</p>\n<p>Here, the strategist points to the large number of companies flagging serious supply chain issues in off-cycle earnings reports over the past month and notes that \"<b>both forward earnings estimates and price de-rated after many of these reports.\"</b></p>\n<p><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/be884d8276f2170f18ee79f621c647a1\" tg-width=\"1085\" tg-height=\"729\" referrerpolicy=\"no-referrer\"></p>\n<p>Jumping to the punchline, Wilson thinks this will be a pervasive dynamic during 3Q reporting season and it will \"<b>trigger downside in earnings revisions at the index level - a headwind for price.\"</b></p>\n<p><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/8c39e1bbced9475fd293f9d4ed624a7e\" tg-width=\"1104\" tg-height=\"723\" referrerpolicy=\"no-referrer\"></p>\n<p>Finally, looking beyond 3Q, he sees the earnings risk coming more from<b>(1) the inability of companies to pass on pricing (2) margin risk related more to higher wages and (3) a reversion (lower) in goods consumption.</b></p>","collect":0,"html":"<!DOCTYPE html>\n<html>\n<head>\n<meta http-equiv=\"Content-Type\" content=\"text/html; 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However, the \"ice\" scenario is starting to look more likely, and could result in a more destructive outcome – i.e. a 20%+ correction. As a result, \n we continue to recommend a barbell of more defensively oriented quality (Healthcare and Staples) to protect from the \"ice\" scenario while keeping a leg in Financials to participate in the \"fire\" outcome as higher rates materialize.\n\nAnd just so it was clear that Wilson stubbornly refused to join the bullish bandwagon, he said that \"with our year end target 10% below current levels, our view is clear: the mid-cycle transition will end with the rolling correction finally hitting the S&P 500.\"\nFast forward to today when with stocks once again barreling higher, Wilson doubled down on his bearish view and in the latest Morgan Stanley strategy data pack, writes that \"we are now calling for Fire AND Ice.\"Here, he again recaps the two possible mid-cycle correction outcomes he had been envisioning:\n\nFire:tightening financial conditions as the Fed signals tapering is coming\nIce:growth disappointment particularly on the earnings side\n\nAnd so, in a reversal from what he said last month, Wilson now thinks\"it’s increasingly likely these scenarios happen together and we get a >10% correction.The Fed will likely announce its taper plans at its next FOMC meeting just as we expect a disappointment in earnings to materialize.\"\nAnd since much digital ink has been spilled discussing the impact of the coming taper, we will focus on his second warning, namely the coming trouble for corporate earnings, which echoes what we said more than a month ago...\n\n... and which Wilson distills simply as \"Earnings Trouble Ahead.\"\nHere, the strategist points to the large number of companies flagging serious supply chain issues in off-cycle earnings reports over the past month and notes that \"both forward earnings estimates and price de-rated after many of these reports.\"\n\nJumping to the punchline, Wilson thinks this will be a pervasive dynamic during 3Q reporting season and it will \"trigger downside in earnings revisions at the index level - a headwind for price.\"\n\nFinally, looking beyond 3Q, he sees the earnings risk coming more from(1) the inability of companies to pass on pricing (2) margin risk related more to higher wages and (3) a reversion (lower) in goods consumption.","news_type":1},"isVote":1,"likeStatus":false,"favoriteStatus":false,"reportStatus":false,"tweetType":1,"langContent":"CN"},{"id":821635909,"gmtCreate":1633738997269,"gmtModify":1633738997688,"author":{"id":"3571137160288122","authorId":"3571137160288122","name":"AnthonyC","avatar":"https://static.laohu8.com/default-avatar.jpg","vip":1,"crmLevel":3,"crmLevelSwitch":0,"idStr":"3571137160288122","authorIdStr":"3571137160288122"},"htmlText":"Like please&nbsp;","listText":"Like please&nbsp;","text":"Like please","images":[],"top":1,"highlighted":1,"essential":1,"paper":1,"likeSize":1,"commentSize":1,"repostSize":0,"link":"https://laohu8.com/post/821635909","repostId":1195699682,"repostType":4,"repost":{"id":"1195699682","pubTimestamp":1633706084,"share":"https://www.laohu8.com/m/news/1195699682?lang=&edition=full","pubTime":"2021-10-08 23:14","market":"us","language":"en","title":"Morgan Stanley Doubles Down On Doom: Calls For \"Fire And Ice\" Correction","url":"https://stock-news.laohu8.com/highlight/detail?id=1195699682","media":"zerohedge","summary":"Three weeks ago, when the markets were gripped by a brief but sharp selloff over fears of Evergrande","content":"<p>Three weeks ago, when the markets were gripped by a brief but sharp selloff over fears of Evergrande default contagtion (which certainly remains on the table), Morgan Stanley's Mike Wilsontook the opportunityto pour some fuel on the fire, or rather \"ice\", and warned that odds of a \"destructive\" 20% correction are rising.</p>\n<p>As a reminder, for much of the summer, Wilson had been predicting that the current market meltup would end either in \"fire\", i.e. a sharp market correction...</p>\n<p><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/e7ed4becb4b4add1c291379068668ca7\" tg-width=\"1123\" tg-height=\"660\" referrerpolicy=\"no-referrer\"></p>\n<p>or or \"Ice\", with consumer spending grinding to a halt...</p>\n<p><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/83d20b93fac562ec12c5371ce0cec674\" tg-width=\"1130\" tg-height=\"661\" referrerpolicy=\"no-referrer\"></p>\n<p>Pointing to his two gloomy predictions during the \"Evergrande Monday\" plunge, Wilson wrote that \"the ice scenario would be worse for markets<b>and we are leaning in that direction</b>given the fall in consumer confidence and reset lower in PMIs we expect.\" This is what he said, in the context of his longer running thesis that the \"mid-cycle\" is about to have a painful correction as we gradually transition into late cycle:</p>\n<blockquote>\n The typical mid-cycle \"fire\" outcome would lead to a modest and healthy 10% correction in the S&amp;P 500. However, the \"ice\" scenario is starting to look more likely, and could result in a more destructive outcome – i.e. a 20%+ correction. As a result, \n <b>we continue to recommend a barbell of more defensively oriented quality (Healthcare and Staples) to protect from the \"ice\" scenario while keeping a leg in Financials to participate in the \"fire\" outcome as higher rates materialize.</b>\n</blockquote>\n<p>And just so it was clear that Wilson stubbornly refused to join the bullish bandwagon, he said that \"with our year end target 10% below current levels, our view is clear: the mid-cycle transition will end with the rolling correction finally hitting the S&amp;P 500.\"</p>\n<p>Fast forward to today when with stocks once again barreling higher, Wilson doubled down on his bearish view and in the latest Morgan Stanley strategy data pack, writes that \"<b>we are now calling for Fire AND Ice.\"</b>Here, he again recaps the two possible mid-cycle correction outcomes he had been envisioning:</p>\n<ul>\n <li><b>Fire:</b>tightening financial conditions as the Fed signals tapering is coming</li>\n <li><b>Ice:</b>growth disappointment particularly on the earnings side</li>\n</ul>\n<p>And so, in a reversal from what he said last month, Wilson now thinks<b>\"it’s increasingly likely these scenarios happen together and we get a &gt;10% correction.</b>The Fed will likely announce its taper plans at its next FOMC meeting just as we expect a disappointment in earnings to materialize.\"</p>\n<p>And since much digital ink has been spilled discussing the impact of the coming taper, we will focus on his second warning, namely the coming trouble for corporate earnings, which echoes what we said more than a month ago...</p>\n<p><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/35ca94354b7552e106b3d35a4245e356\" tg-width=\"507\" tg-height=\"286\" referrerpolicy=\"no-referrer\"></p>\n<p>... and which Wilson distills simply as \"Earnings Trouble Ahead.\"</p>\n<p>Here, the strategist points to the large number of companies flagging serious supply chain issues in off-cycle earnings reports over the past month and notes that \"<b>both forward earnings estimates and price de-rated after many of these reports.\"</b></p>\n<p><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/be884d8276f2170f18ee79f621c647a1\" tg-width=\"1085\" tg-height=\"729\" referrerpolicy=\"no-referrer\"></p>\n<p>Jumping to the punchline, Wilson thinks this will be a pervasive dynamic during 3Q reporting season and it will \"<b>trigger downside in earnings revisions at the index level - a headwind for price.\"</b></p>\n<p><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/8c39e1bbced9475fd293f9d4ed624a7e\" tg-width=\"1104\" tg-height=\"723\" referrerpolicy=\"no-referrer\"></p>\n<p>Finally, looking beyond 3Q, he sees the earnings risk coming more from<b>(1) the inability of companies to pass on pricing (2) margin risk related more to higher wages and (3) a reversion (lower) in goods consumption.</b></p>","collect":0,"html":"<!DOCTYPE html>\n<html>\n<head>\n<meta http-equiv=\"Content-Type\" content=\"text/html; 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However, the \"ice\" scenario is starting to look more likely, and could result in a more destructive outcome – i.e. a 20%+ correction. As a result, \n we continue to recommend a barbell of more defensively oriented quality (Healthcare and Staples) to protect from the \"ice\" scenario while keeping a leg in Financials to participate in the \"fire\" outcome as higher rates materialize.\n\nAnd just so it was clear that Wilson stubbornly refused to join the bullish bandwagon, he said that \"with our year end target 10% below current levels, our view is clear: the mid-cycle transition will end with the rolling correction finally hitting the S&P 500.\"\nFast forward to today when with stocks once again barreling higher, Wilson doubled down on his bearish view and in the latest Morgan Stanley strategy data pack, writes that \"we are now calling for Fire AND Ice.\"Here, he again recaps the two possible mid-cycle correction outcomes he had been envisioning:\n\nFire:tightening financial conditions as the Fed signals tapering is coming\nIce:growth disappointment particularly on the earnings side\n\nAnd so, in a reversal from what he said last month, Wilson now thinks\"it’s increasingly likely these scenarios happen together and we get a >10% correction.The Fed will likely announce its taper plans at its next FOMC meeting just as we expect a disappointment in earnings to materialize.\"\nAnd since much digital ink has been spilled discussing the impact of the coming taper, we will focus on his second warning, namely the coming trouble for corporate earnings, which echoes what we said more than a month ago...\n\n... and which Wilson distills simply as \"Earnings Trouble Ahead.\"\nHere, the strategist points to the large number of companies flagging serious supply chain issues in off-cycle earnings reports over the past month and notes that \"both forward earnings estimates and price de-rated after many of these reports.\"\n\nJumping to the punchline, Wilson thinks this will be a pervasive dynamic during 3Q reporting season and it will \"trigger downside in earnings revisions at the index level - 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However, the \"ice\" scenario is starting to look more likely, and could result in a more destructive outcome – i.e. a 20%+ correction. As a result, \n <b>we continue to recommend a barbell of more defensively oriented quality (Healthcare and Staples) to protect from the \"ice\" scenario while keeping a leg in Financials to participate in the \"fire\" outcome as higher rates materialize.</b>\n</blockquote>\n<p>And just so it was clear that Wilson stubbornly refused to join the bullish bandwagon, he said that \"with our year end target 10% below current levels, our view is clear: the mid-cycle transition will end with the rolling correction finally hitting the S&amp;P 500.\"</p>\n<p>Fast forward to today when with stocks once again barreling higher, Wilson doubled down on his bearish view and in the latest Morgan Stanley strategy data pack, writes that \"<b>we are now calling for Fire AND Ice.\"</b>Here, he again recaps the two possible mid-cycle correction outcomes he had been envisioning:</p>\n<ul>\n <li><b>Fire:</b>tightening financial conditions as the Fed signals tapering is coming</li>\n <li><b>Ice:</b>growth disappointment particularly on the earnings side</li>\n</ul>\n<p>And so, in a reversal from what he said last month, Wilson now thinks<b>\"it’s increasingly likely these scenarios happen together and we get a &gt;10% correction.</b>The Fed will likely announce its taper plans at its next FOMC meeting just as we expect a disappointment in earnings to materialize.\"</p>\n<p>And since much digital ink has been spilled discussing the impact of the coming taper, we will focus on his second warning, namely the coming trouble for corporate earnings, which echoes what we said more than a month ago...</p>\n<p><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/35ca94354b7552e106b3d35a4245e356\" tg-width=\"507\" tg-height=\"286\" referrerpolicy=\"no-referrer\"></p>\n<p>... and which Wilson distills simply as \"Earnings Trouble Ahead.\"</p>\n<p>Here, the strategist points to the large number of companies flagging serious supply chain issues in off-cycle earnings reports over the past month and notes that \"<b>both forward earnings estimates and price de-rated after many of these reports.\"</b></p>\n<p><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/be884d8276f2170f18ee79f621c647a1\" tg-width=\"1085\" tg-height=\"729\" referrerpolicy=\"no-referrer\"></p>\n<p>Jumping to the punchline, Wilson thinks this will be a pervasive dynamic during 3Q reporting season and it will \"<b>trigger downside in earnings revisions at the index level - a headwind for price.\"</b></p>\n<p><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/8c39e1bbced9475fd293f9d4ed624a7e\" tg-width=\"1104\" tg-height=\"723\" referrerpolicy=\"no-referrer\"></p>\n<p>Finally, looking beyond 3Q, he sees the earnings risk coming more from<b>(1) the inability of companies to pass on pricing (2) margin risk related more to higher wages and (3) a reversion (lower) in goods consumption.</b></p>","collect":0,"html":"<!DOCTYPE html>\n<html>\n<head>\n<meta http-equiv=\"Content-Type\" content=\"text/html; 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However, the \"ice\" scenario is starting to look more likely, and could result in a more destructive outcome – i.e. a 20%+ correction. As a result, \n we continue to recommend a barbell of more defensively oriented quality (Healthcare and Staples) to protect from the \"ice\" scenario while keeping a leg in Financials to participate in the \"fire\" outcome as higher rates materialize.\n\nAnd just so it was clear that Wilson stubbornly refused to join the bullish bandwagon, he said that \"with our year end target 10% below current levels, our view is clear: the mid-cycle transition will end with the rolling correction finally hitting the S&P 500.\"\nFast forward to today when with stocks once again barreling higher, Wilson doubled down on his bearish view and in the latest Morgan Stanley strategy data pack, writes that \"we are now calling for Fire AND Ice.\"Here, he again recaps the two possible mid-cycle correction outcomes he had been envisioning:\n\nFire:tightening financial conditions as the Fed signals tapering is coming\nIce:growth disappointment particularly on the earnings side\n\nAnd so, in a reversal from what he said last month, Wilson now thinks\"it’s increasingly likely these scenarios happen together and we get a >10% correction.The Fed will likely announce its taper plans at its next FOMC meeting just as we expect a disappointment in earnings to materialize.\"\nAnd since much digital ink has been spilled discussing the impact of the coming taper, we will focus on his second warning, namely the coming trouble for corporate earnings, which echoes what we said more than a month ago...\n\n... and which Wilson distills simply as \"Earnings Trouble Ahead.\"\nHere, the strategist points to the large number of companies flagging serious supply chain issues in off-cycle earnings reports over the past month and notes that \"both forward earnings estimates and price de-rated after many of these reports.\"\n\nJumping to the punchline, Wilson thinks this will be a pervasive dynamic during 3Q reporting season and it will \"trigger downside in earnings revisions at the index level - a headwind for price.\"\n\nFinally, looking beyond 3Q, he sees the earnings risk coming more from(1) the inability of companies to pass on pricing (2) margin risk related more to higher wages and (3) a reversion (lower) in goods consumption.","news_type":1},"isVote":1,"likeStatus":false,"favoriteStatus":false,"reportStatus":false,"tweetType":1,"comments":[{"id":6137427,"gmtCreate":1633738866636,"gmtModify":1634718263822,"authorId":3571137160288122,"author":{"id":3571137160288122,"idStr":"3571137160288122","authorId":3571137160288122,"name":"AnthonyC","avatar":"https://static.laohu8.com/default-avatar.jpg","vip":1,"crmLevel":3,"crmLevelSwitch":0,"individualDisplayBadges":[]},"repliedAuthorId":0,"objectId":821608693,"type":1,"supId":0,"prevId":0,"content":"Done","text":"Done","html":"Done"},{"id":6137543,"gmtCreate":1633739367951,"gmtModify":1634718252888,"authorId":3578904826776116,"author":{"id":3578904826776116,"idStr":"3578904826776116","authorId":3578904826776116,"name":"TJW1991","avatar":"https://static.tigerbbs.com/c1d13fbb3feb6459408472fb351d6fe0","vip":1,"crmLevel":5,"crmLevelSwitch":0,"individualDisplayBadges":[]},"repliedAuthorId":0,"objectId":821608693,"type":1,"supId":0,"prevId":0,"content":"k","text":"k","html":"k"}],"langContent":"CN"}],"isCommentEnd":false,"newsSizeData":{"likeSize":315,"commentSize":43,"repostSize":0,"favoriteSize":0,"likeStatus":false,"favoriteStatus":false},"APP":{"userAgent":"Mozilla/5.0 AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko; compatible; ClaudeBot/1.0; +claudebot@anthropic.com)","isDev":false,"isTTM":false,"deviceId":"web-server-community-laohu8-v3","version":"4.29.1","shortVersion":"4.29.1","platform":"web","vendor":"web","appName":"laohu8","isIOS":false,"isAndroid":false,"isTiger":false,"isTHS":false,"isWeiXin":false,"isWeiXinMini":false,"isWeiBo":false,"isQQ":false,"isBaiduSwan":false,"isBaiduBox":false,"isDingTalk":false,"isToutiao":false,"isOnePlus":false,"isHuaWei":false,"isXiaomi":false,"isXiaomiWebView":false,"isOppo":false,"isVivo":false,"isSamsung":false,"isMobile":false},"href":"/m/news/1195699682"}