Opinion: Wall Street will tell you that stocks shine in November but here’s the unvarnished truth

Market Wacth2021-11-08

November likely will be a good month for the Dow Jones Industrial AverageDJIA,+0.56%,which can be expected to gain 0.6%, or about 220 points. Such a gain would take the U.S. stock market bellwether to...

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Kamarulzaman
2021-11-08
Kamarulzaman
November . Bullish guys
Uasbau
2021-11-08
Uasbau
Infos
MHh
2021-11-08
MHh
If it continues to rally, great!
- MHh:
  [Smile]
- Huathk:
  Gd
Galaxy88
2021-11-08
Galaxy88
Ok
bobsk
2021-11-08
bobsk
Cant agree more. You can manipulate stats to tell u anything u want in the market. I still rmb an article saying that september was going to be fine because of 'historical analysis' when overall growth rate was high and september was just all reds
Sunny_Bee
2021-11-08
Sunny_Bee
Agree with the author. When the reporter tells you that it is the best month of the year, maybe the best month is already over. Lol.

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You can manipulate stats to tell u anything u want in the market. I still rmb an article saying that september was going to be fine because of 'historical analysis' when overall growth rate was high and september was just all reds","listText":"Cant agree more. You can manipulate stats to tell u anything u want in the market. I still rmb an article saying that september was going to be fine because of 'historical analysis' when overall growth rate was high and september was just all reds","text":"Cant agree more. You can manipulate stats to tell u anything u want in the market. I still rmb an article saying that september was going to be fine because of 'historical analysis' when overall growth rate was high and september was just all reds","images":[],"top":1,"highlighted":1,"essential":1,"paper":1,"likeSize":5,"commentSize":0,"repostSize":0,"link":"https://laohu8.com/post/845569517","repostId":1156505839,"repostType":4,"isVote":1,"likeStatus":false,"favoriteStatus":false,"reportStatus":false,"tweetType":1,"langContent":"CN"},{"id":845581587,"gmtCreate":1636351327853,"gmtModify":1636351328300,"author":{"id":"4094200026092470","authorId":"4094200026092470","name":"Sunny_Bee","avatar":"https://static.tigerbbs.com/c1a82fcc3056cf5e54f42c722e19a7c4","vip":1,"crmLevel":1,"crmLevelSwitch":0,"idStr":"4094200026092470","authorIdStr":"4094200026092470"},"htmlText":"Agree with the author. When the reporter tells you that it is the best month of the year, maybe the best month is already over. Lol.","listText":"Agree with the author. When the reporter tells you that it is the best month of the year, maybe the best month is already over. Lol.","text":"Agree with the author. When the reporter tells you that it is the best month of the year, maybe the best month is already over. 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