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But this time, <strong>Tesla</strong> <span>(TSLA<span> 6.25%</span>)</span> is not leading the charge. In fact, the market is up in spite of the electric vehicle (EV) leader.</p><p>Tesla shares have fallen a whopping 34% year to date (YTD) as of this writing, while the <strong>Nasdaq-100</strong> continues to rise. The stock is now off 60% from all-time highs, while the broad market is close to all-time highs.</p><p>We are at another crossroads with Tesla stock. Bulls will argue this is a perfect buying opportunity as the company prepares for its next leg of growth. Bears will argue the company is finally heading toward a normal valuation that a manufacturing-based business deserves to trade at.</p><p>Which group is right? Where will Tesla stock be in three years?</p><p><img src=\"https://media.ycharts.com/charts/ca18997db5b45fc34b0195b96aadff06.png\"/></p><p>TSLA Total Return Level data by YCharts</p><div><div></div></div><h2>More volume, lower margins</h2><p>Tesla continued to grow its unit volumes in 2023. It delivered 1.8 million cars to customers around the globe, up from 1.3 million in 2022 and 936,000 in 2021. This is impressive growth at scale, making Tesla one of the premier manufacturers of not just EVs, but cars in general. For reference, the largest automaker in the world is <strong>Toyota</strong>, which produces just over 10 million cars every year.</p><p>But to get this unit growth, Tesla has had to lower its prices. Its main products have evolved to the cheaper Model 3 and Y products, which go for less than its older X and S models. On top of this, Tesla has chosen -- or perhaps been forced -- to lower prices on the Model 3 and Y to grow unit volumes. We can see this dynamic in the price of used Teslas, which have collapsed by half from a relative peak in early 2022. </p><p>Lower prices have translated to slowing revenue growth and lower margins. In 2023, Tesla's revenue grew by 19% to $97 billion, but slowed down to just 3% growth in the fourth quarter. Gross margins slipped from 25.6% in 2022 to 18.2% in 2023, with operating income falling 35% for the year. Margins are deteriorating as Tesla goes for a greater global scale.</p><div><app :collapse_on_load=\"false\" :instrument_id=\"224257\" :show_benchmark_compare=\"false\" amount_change=\"10.23\" average_volume=\"105,720,004\" company_name=\"Tesla\" current_price=\"173.80\" daily_high=\"174.72\" daily_low=\"165.90\" default_period=\"OneMonth\" dividend_yield=\"N/A\" exchange=\"NASDAQ\" fifty_two_week_high=\"299.29\" fifty_two_week_low=\"152.37\" gross_margin=\"18.25\" logo=\"https://g.foolcdn.com/art/companylogos/mark/TSLA.png\" market_cap=\"$554B\" pe_ratio=\"40.39\" percent_change=\"6.25\" symbol=\"TSLA\" volume=\"1,878,337\"></app></div><h2>Can offering a new vehicle save the day?</h2><p>In order to reach even more customers, Tesla will likely need to come out with an even more affordable vehicle. It can only sell so many vehicles in the $40,000-and-over price range, even if it keeps dropping new vehicle prices for the Model 3 and Y around the globe. There are just not that many people on this planet who can afford to purchase a premium-priced EV.</p><div><div></div></div><p>To expand its pool of potential customers, Tesla is planning to bring out a new, cheaper vehicle within the next few years. Rumor has it's planned for sometime in 2025, with CEO Elon Musk giving a rough timeline in a recent earnings call. But readers should know that Musk timelines are never fully fleshed out, and this does not guarantee a new product will arrive in 2025. I think you can bet on a new product arriving within the next few years, though. </p><p>Offering a new vehicle could certainly help Tesla boost volumes. But if it comes at a cheaper price point of around $25,000, revenue growth will lag unit volume growth as the average sales price of all Teslas sold continues to decline. Investors need to factor this in when doing any estimates for Tesla's revenue potential in the coming years.</p><p><img src=\"https://media.ycharts.com/charts/08484fcc57cc756b9747d493fa58c63f.png\"/></p><p>TSLA Operating Margin (TTM) data by YCharts</p><h2>The stock still isn't cheap</h2><p>Smart investors know that it doesn't matter what a stock is earning now, but what it will earn within a few years. When looking at where Tesla stock will be within a few years, we need to make an estimate on its financial trajectory. Let's be optimistic and say it can triple volumes compared to 2023 in three years due to the successful launch of its mainstream cheaper vehicle. With volumes tripled, revenue should be able to double due to lower average selling prices.</p><div><div></div></div><p>Lastly, we can assume that Tesla's profit margins will remain similar to 2023 at 9.2%. It will lose margin on cheaper selling prices, but should be able to make it up with economies of scale. Toyota has similar operating margins, for reference. Double Tesla's 2023 revenue to $194 billion and slap on a 9.2% profit margin, and Tesla could be earning $17.8 billion in three years.</p><p>Today, Tesla has a market cap of $512 billion. Divide that by $17.8 billion, and you get a price-to-earnings ratio (P/E) of 29, which is a tad above the market average. From my seat, this indicates that Tesla stock may go nowhere over the next few years. It certainly isn't cheap, even after this recent drawdown, and could be a value trap for investors for a long while.</p><p>If you want to buy the dip, you need to be much more optimistic on the company's forward growth. 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But this time, Tesla (TSLA 6.25%) is not leading the charge. In fact, the market is up in spite of the electric vehicle (EV) leader.Tesla shares have fallen a whopping 34% year to date (YTD) as of this writing, while the Nasdaq-100 continues to rise. The stock is now off 60% from all-time highs, while the broad market is close to all-time highs.We are at another crossroads with Tesla stock. Bulls will argue this is a perfect buying opportunity as the company prepares for its next leg of growth. Bears will argue the company is finally heading toward a normal valuation that a manufacturing-based business deserves to trade at.Which group is right? Where will Tesla stock be in three years?TSLA Total Return Level data by YChartsMore volume, lower marginsTesla continued to grow its unit volumes in 2023. It delivered 1.8 million cars to customers around the globe, up from 1.3 million in 2022 and 936,000 in 2021. This is impressive growth at scale, making Tesla one of the premier manufacturers of not just EVs, but cars in general. For reference, the largest automaker in the world is Toyota, which produces just over 10 million cars every year.But to get this unit growth, Tesla has had to lower its prices. Its main products have evolved to the cheaper Model 3 and Y products, which go for less than its older X and S models. On top of this, Tesla has chosen -- or perhaps been forced -- to lower prices on the Model 3 and Y to grow unit volumes. We can see this dynamic in the price of used Teslas, which have collapsed by half from a relative peak in early 2022. Lower prices have translated to slowing revenue growth and lower margins. In 2023, Tesla's revenue grew by 19% to $97 billion, but slowed down to just 3% growth in the fourth quarter. Gross margins slipped from 25.6% in 2022 to 18.2% in 2023, with operating income falling 35% for the year. Margins are deteriorating as Tesla goes for a greater global scale.Can offering a new vehicle save the day?In order to reach even more customers, Tesla will likely need to come out with an even more affordable vehicle. It can only sell so many vehicles in the $40,000-and-over price range, even if it keeps dropping new vehicle prices for the Model 3 and Y around the globe. There are just not that many people on this planet who can afford to purchase a premium-priced EV.To expand its pool of potential customers, Tesla is planning to bring out a new, cheaper vehicle within the next few years. Rumor has it's planned for sometime in 2025, with CEO Elon Musk giving a rough timeline in a recent earnings call. But readers should know that Musk timelines are never fully fleshed out, and this does not guarantee a new product will arrive in 2025. I think you can bet on a new product arriving within the next few years, though. Offering a new vehicle could certainly help Tesla boost volumes. But if it comes at a cheaper price point of around $25,000, revenue growth will lag unit volume growth as the average sales price of all Teslas sold continues to decline. Investors need to factor this in when doing any estimates for Tesla's revenue potential in the coming years.TSLA Operating Margin (TTM) data by YChartsThe stock still isn't cheapSmart investors know that it doesn't matter what a stock is earning now, but what it will earn within a few years. When looking at where Tesla stock will be within a few years, we need to make an estimate on its financial trajectory. Let's be optimistic and say it can triple volumes compared to 2023 in three years due to the successful launch of its mainstream cheaper vehicle. With volumes tripled, revenue should be able to double due to lower average selling prices.Lastly, we can assume that Tesla's profit margins will remain similar to 2023 at 9.2%. It will lose margin on cheaper selling prices, but should be able to make it up with economies of scale. Toyota has similar operating margins, for reference. Double Tesla's 2023 revenue to $194 billion and slap on a 9.2% profit margin, and Tesla could be earning $17.8 billion in three years.Today, Tesla has a market cap of $512 billion. Divide that by $17.8 billion, and you get a price-to-earnings ratio (P/E) of 29, which is a tad above the market average. From my seat, this indicates that Tesla stock may go nowhere over the next few years. It certainly isn't cheap, even after this recent drawdown, and could be a value trap for investors for a long while.If you want to buy the dip, you need to be much more optimistic on the company's forward growth. Otherwise, Tesla stock will remain dead in the water.","news_type":1},"isVote":1,"tweetType":1,"viewCount":16,"authorTweetTopStatus":1,"verified":2,"comments":[],"imageCount":0,"langContent":"CN","totalScore":0},{"id":247532614463648,"gmtCreate":1701470672934,"gmtModify":1701470674295,"author":{"id":"4097468090150340","authorId":"4097468090150340","name":"Eddiexu","avatar":"https://static.tigerbbs.com/c4adcef4944f41626302842b4deef186","crmLevel":1,"crmLevelSwitch":0},"themes":[],"htmlText":"说说你对这篇新闻的看法...","listText":"说说你对这篇新闻的看法...","text":"说说你对这篇新闻的看法...","images":[],"top":1,"highlighted":1,"essential":1,"paper":1,"likeSize":0,"commentSize":0,"repostSize":0,"link":"https://laohu8.com/post/247532614463648","repostId":"2388926526","repostType":2,"repost":{"id":"2388926526","pubTimestamp":1701465031,"share":"https://www.laohu8.com/m/news/2388926526?lang=&edition=full","pubTime":"2023-12-02 05:10","market":"us","language":"en","title":"Rivian already has a patent on Tesla’s Cybertruck ‘range extender’","url":"https://stock-news.laohu8.com/highlight/detail?id=2388926526","media":"Electrek","summary":"Tesla delivered the first Cybertrucks yesterday, and with that delivery event came the revelation that in order to get the range it promised, the Cybertruck needs a separate battery pack in the bed. But a similar battery pack system was already patented years ago, by one of Tesla’s competitors in the electric pick-up space.","content":"<html><body><div>\n<figure>\n<img fetchpriority=\"high\" height=\"1000\" src=\"https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2023/12/Screen-Shot-2019-02-21-at-11.40.49-AM-e1550778199368.jpg?quality=82&strip=all&w=1538\" srcset=\"https://i0.wp.com/electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2023/12/Screen-Shot-2019-02-21-at-11.40.49-AM-e1550778199368.jpg?w=320&quality=82&strip=all&ssl=1 320w, https://i0.wp.com/electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2023/12/Screen-Shot-2019-02-21-at-11.40.49-AM-e1550778199368.jpg?w=640&quality=82&strip=all&ssl=1 640w, https://i0.wp.com/electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2023/12/Screen-Shot-2019-02-21-at-11.40.49-AM-e1550778199368.jpg?w=1024&quality=82&strip=all&ssl=1 1024w, https://i0.wp.com/electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2023/12/Screen-Shot-2019-02-21-at-11.40.49-AM-e1550778199368.jpg?w=1500&quality=82&strip=all&ssl=1 1500w\" width=\"1538\"/>\n</figure>\n<p>Tesla delivered the first Cybertrucks yesterday, and with that delivery event came the revelation that in order to get the range it promised, the Cybertruck needs a separate battery pack in the bed. But a similar battery pack system was already patented years ago, by one of Tesla’s competitors in the electric pick-up space.</p>\n<span></span><ins></ins>\n<p>Tesla’s Cybertruck website included a revelation about a feature that wasn’t mentioned in its presentation: a “range extender,” in the form of an additional battery pack in the truck bed which expands the truck’s range.</p>\n<p>It’s an interesting solution, and we don’t know all the details of it yet. We don’t know the cost, the weight, how it will be installed and uninstalled, or whether it even <em>can</em> be uninstalled.</p>\n<p>The battery pack is intended to be used “for very long trips or towing heavy things up mountains,” according to Tesla CEO Elon Musk. It takes up about a third of the truck bed, as can be seen in a photo posted on Tesla’s Cybertruck site.</p>\n<figure><img decoding=\"async\" fetchpriority=\"high\" height=\"1634\" sizes=\"(max-width: 3416px) 100vw, 3416px\" src=\"https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2023/11/Tesla-Range-extender-battery-pack.jpg?quality=82&strip=all&w=1024\" srcset=\"https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2023/11/Tesla-Range-extender-battery-pack.jpg 3416w, https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2023/11/Tesla-Range-extender-battery-pack.jpg?resize=150,72 150w, https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2023/11/Tesla-Range-extender-battery-pack.jpg?resize=300,144 300w, https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2023/11/Tesla-Range-extender-battery-pack.jpg?resize=768,367 768w, https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2023/11/Tesla-Range-extender-battery-pack.jpg?resize=1024,490 1024w, https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2023/11/Tesla-Range-extender-battery-pack.jpg?resize=1536,735 1536w, https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2023/11/Tesla-Range-extender-battery-pack.jpg?resize=2048,980 2048w, https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2023/11/Tesla-Range-extender-battery-pack.jpg?resize=350,167 350w, https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2023/11/Tesla-Range-extender-battery-pack.jpg?resize=140,67 140w, https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2023/11/Tesla-Range-extender-battery-pack.jpg?resize=1600,765 1600w\" width=\"3416\"/></figure>\n<p>So, there’s still room for cargo, just not the full 6 feet of bed length that Tesla says the Cybertruck has.</p>\n<p>But the fact that it was described as being used only “for very long trips or towing heavy things up mountains” suggests that it will be removable, since most people don’t do that sort of thing every single day.</p>\n<p>Making it removable is actually a good solution, because it can lower prices, make packaging easier, and improve efficiency for vehicles that simply don’t need a ridiculously enormous 470-mile battery – and most drivers don’t need that.</p>\n<p>And if it is removable, well, there’s already a patent on that.</p>\n<figure>\n<figure><img decoding=\"async\" height=\"1185\" src=\"https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2023/12/US20190016231A1-20190117-D00002-e1701463633465.png?w=1024\" width=\"2947\"/></figure>\n<figure><img decoding=\"async\" height=\"1317\" loading=\"lazy\" src=\"https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2023/12/US20190016231A1-20190117-D00004-e1701463596670.png?w=1024\" width=\"3118\"/></figure>\n<figure><img decoding=\"async\" height=\"1832\" loading=\"lazy\" src=\"https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2023/12/US20190016231A1-20190117-D00005-e1701463615370.png?w=1024\" width=\"2806\"/></figure>\n<figure><img decoding=\"async\" height=\"1372\" loading=\"lazy\" src=\"https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2023/12/US20190016231A1-20190117-D00006-e1701463642991.png?w=1024\" width=\"2947\"/></figure>\n<figure><img decoding=\"async\" height=\"2113\" loading=\"lazy\" src=\"https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2023/12/US20190016231A1-20190117-D00007-e1701463624942.png?w=1024\" width=\"2767\"/></figure>\n<figure><img decoding=\"async\" height=\"1645\" loading=\"lazy\" src=\"https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2023/12/US20190016231A1-20190117-D00012-e1701463605659.png?w=1024\" width=\"2198\"/></figure>\n<figure><img decoding=\"async\" height=\"2058\" loading=\"lazy\" src=\"https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2023/12/US20190016231A1-20190117-D00001-e1701463588112.png?w=1024\" width=\"2978\"/></figure>\n</figure>\n<p>In 2019, electric truck maker Rivian filed a patent for a “removable auxiliary battery” that would fit into the front third-or-so of the truck bed. This patent was granted in 2020, so Rivian currently has a patent on this technology.</p>\n<p>The patent is described as:</p>\n<blockquote>\n<p>An electric vehicle system for transporting human passengers or cargo includes an electric vehicle that includes a body, a plurality of wheels, a cargo area, an electric motor for propelling the electric vehicle, and a primary battery for providing electrical power to the electric motor for propelling the electric vehicle. An auxiliary battery module is attachable to the electric vehicle for providing electrical power to the electric motor via a first electrical connector at the auxiliary battery module and a second electrical connector at the electric vehicle that mates with the first electrical connector. The auxiliary battery module can be positioned in the cargo area while supplying power to the electric motor, and can be removable and reattachable from the electric vehicle. The auxiliary battery module includes an integrated cooling system for cooling itself during operation of the electric vehicle including a conduit therein for circulating coolant.</p>\n</blockquote>\n<p>We aren’t patent lawyers here, but this sounds awfully similar to Tesla’s “range extender.” The obvious potential differences we can find are if the range extender doesn’t have integrated cooling, which is unlikely, or if the range extender isn’t removable, which doesn’t seem to jive with the statement that it is only for long trips or with the marketing showing it as an optional add-on (if that were the case, why not just offer different battery sizes?).</p>\n<p>Tesla itself has many patents (and is still pursuing more of them), but has pledged not to “initiate patent lawsuits against anyone who, in good faith, wants to use its technology.” It announced this in a 2014 blog post, and followed up by saying that it thinks several companies are using its patents.</p>\n<p>So next, the question is: is Tesla’s solution different enough to avoid Rivian’s patent protection? Has Tesla licensed the idea from Rivian, and we just haven’t heard about it yet? Or will Rivian return Tesla’s “good faith” and not initiate a patent lawsuit against Tesla, if it does feel like it has a good enough case to say that Tesla’s range extender infringes on its patent?</p>\n</div></body></html>","source":"electrek_highlight","collect":0,"html":"<!DOCTYPE html>\n<html>\n<head>\n<meta http-equiv=\"Content-Type\" content=\"text/html; charset=utf-8\" />\n<meta name=\"viewport\" content=\"width=device-width,initial-scale=1.0,minimum-scale=1.0,maximum-scale=1.0,user-scalable=no\"/>\n<meta name=\"format-detection\" content=\"telephone=no,email=no,address=no\" />\n<title>Rivian already has a patent on Tesla’s Cybertruck ‘range extender’</title>\n<style type=\"text/css\">\na,abbr,acronym,address,applet,article,aside,audio,b,big,blockquote,body,canvas,caption,center,cite,code,dd,del,details,dfn,div,dl,dt,\nem,embed,fieldset,figcaption,figure,footer,form,h1,h2,h3,h4,h5,h6,header,hgroup,html,i,iframe,img,ins,kbd,label,legend,li,mark,menu,nav,\nobject,ol,output,p,pre,q,ruby,s,samp,section,small,span,strike,strong,sub,summary,sup,table,tbody,td,tfoot,th,thead,time,tr,tt,u,ul,var,video{ font:inherit;margin:0;padding:0;vertical-align:baseline;border:0 }\nbody{ font-size:16px; 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But a similar battery pack system was already patented years ago, by one of Tesla’s competitors in the electric pick-up space.\n\nTesla’s Cybertruck website included a revelation about a feature that wasn’t mentioned in its presentation: a “range extender,” in the form of an additional battery pack in the truck bed which expands the truck’s range.\nIt’s an interesting solution, and we don’t know all the details of it yet. We don’t know the cost, the weight, how it will be installed and uninstalled, or whether it even can be uninstalled.\nThe battery pack is intended to be used “for very long trips or towing heavy things up mountains,” according to Tesla CEO Elon Musk. It takes up about a third of the truck bed, as can be seen in a photo posted on Tesla’s Cybertruck site.\n\nSo, there’s still room for cargo, just not the full 6 feet of bed length that Tesla says the Cybertruck has.\nBut the fact that it was described as being used only “for very long trips or towing heavy things up mountains” suggests that it will be removable, since most people don’t do that sort of thing every single day.\nMaking it removable is actually a good solution, because it can lower prices, make packaging easier, and improve efficiency for vehicles that simply don’t need a ridiculously enormous 470-mile battery – and most drivers don’t need that.\nAnd if it is removable, well, there’s already a patent on that.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nIn 2019, electric truck maker Rivian filed a patent for a “removable auxiliary battery” that would fit into the front third-or-so of the truck bed. This patent was granted in 2020, so Rivian currently has a patent on this technology.\nThe patent is described as:\n\nAn electric vehicle system for transporting human passengers or cargo includes an electric vehicle that includes a body, a plurality of wheels, a cargo area, an electric motor for propelling the electric vehicle, and a primary battery for providing electrical power to the electric motor for propelling the electric vehicle. An auxiliary battery module is attachable to the electric vehicle for providing electrical power to the electric motor via a first electrical connector at the auxiliary battery module and a second electrical connector at the electric vehicle that mates with the first electrical connector. The auxiliary battery module can be positioned in the cargo area while supplying power to the electric motor, and can be removable and reattachable from the electric vehicle. The auxiliary battery module includes an integrated cooling system for cooling itself during operation of the electric vehicle including a conduit therein for circulating coolant.\n\nWe aren’t patent lawyers here, but this sounds awfully similar to Tesla’s “range extender.” The obvious potential differences we can find are if the range extender doesn’t have integrated cooling, which is unlikely, or if the range extender isn’t removable, which doesn’t seem to jive with the statement that it is only for long trips or with the marketing showing it as an optional add-on (if that were the case, why not just offer different battery sizes?).\nTesla itself has many patents (and is still pursuing more of them), but has pledged not to “initiate patent lawsuits against anyone who, in good faith, wants to use its technology.” It announced this in a 2014 blog post, and followed up by saying that it thinks several companies are using its patents.\nSo next, the question is: is Tesla’s solution different enough to avoid Rivian’s patent protection? Has Tesla licensed the idea from Rivian, and we just haven’t heard about it yet? 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Is this temporary or a sign things have changed?","content":"<html><body><ul>\n<li>\n<div>\n<svg fill=\"none\" height=\"15\" viewbox=\"0 0 14 15\" width=\"14\" xmlns=\"http://www.w3.org/2000/svg\">\n<path d=\"M14 5.58984C14 2.91016 11.8398 0.75 9.16016 0.75C6.50781 0.777344 4.375 2.91016 4.375 5.5625C4.375 6.10938 4.45703 6.60156 4.59375 7.09375L0.191406 11.4961C0.0546875 11.6328 0 11.7969 0 11.9609V14.0938C0 14.4766 0.273438 14.75 0.65625 14.75H3.71875C4.07422 14.75 4.375 14.4766 4.375 14.0938V13H5.46875C5.82422 13 6.125 12.7266 6.125 12.3438V11.25H7.13672C7.30078 11.25 7.51953 11.168 7.62891 11.0312L8.28516 10.293C8.55859 10.3477 8.85938 10.375 9.1875 10.375C11.8398 10.375 14 8.24219 14 5.58984ZM9.1875 4.25C9.1875 3.53906 9.76172 2.9375 10.5 2.9375C11.2109 2.9375 11.8125 3.53906 11.8125 4.25C11.8125 4.98828 11.2109 5.5625 10.5 5.5625C9.76172 5.5625 9.1875 4.98828 9.1875 4.25Z\" fill=\"#FFB81C\"></path>\n</svg>\n</div>\n<div>Tesla shares are down 60% from all-time highs while the broad market is soaring. </div>\n</li>\n<li>\n<div>\n<svg fill=\"none\" height=\"15\" viewbox=\"0 0 14 15\" width=\"14\" xmlns=\"http://www.w3.org/2000/svg\">\n<path d=\"M14 5.58984C14 2.91016 11.8398 0.75 9.16016 0.75C6.50781 0.777344 4.375 2.91016 4.375 5.5625C4.375 6.10938 4.45703 6.60156 4.59375 7.09375L0.191406 11.4961C0.0546875 11.6328 0 11.7969 0 11.9609V14.0938C0 14.4766 0.273438 14.75 0.65625 14.75H3.71875C4.07422 14.75 4.375 14.4766 4.375 14.0938V13H5.46875C5.82422 13 6.125 12.7266 6.125 12.3438V11.25H7.13672C7.30078 11.25 7.51953 11.168 7.62891 11.0312L8.28516 10.293C8.55859 10.3477 8.85938 10.375 9.1875 10.375C11.8398 10.375 14 8.24219 14 5.58984ZM9.1875 4.25C9.1875 3.53906 9.76172 2.9375 10.5 2.9375C11.2109 2.9375 11.8125 3.53906 11.8125 4.25C11.8125 4.98828 11.2109 5.5625 10.5 5.5625C9.76172 5.5625 9.1875 4.98828 9.1875 4.25Z\" fill=\"#FFB81C\"></path>\n</svg>\n</div>\n<div>The company is growing its production volumes but drastically cutting its selling prices. </div>\n</li>\n<li>\n<div>\n<svg fill=\"none\" height=\"15\" viewbox=\"0 0 14 15\" width=\"14\" xmlns=\"http://www.w3.org/2000/svg\">\n<path d=\"M14 5.58984C14 2.91016 11.8398 0.75 9.16016 0.75C6.50781 0.777344 4.375 2.91016 4.375 5.5625C4.375 6.10938 4.45703 6.60156 4.59375 7.09375L0.191406 11.4961C0.0546875 11.6328 0 11.7969 0 11.9609V14.0938C0 14.4766 0.273438 14.75 0.65625 14.75H3.71875C4.07422 14.75 4.375 14.4766 4.375 14.0938V13H5.46875C5.82422 13 6.125 12.7266 6.125 12.3438V11.25H7.13672C7.30078 11.25 7.51953 11.168 7.62891 11.0312L8.28516 10.293C8.55859 10.3477 8.85938 10.375 9.1875 10.375C11.8398 10.375 14 8.24219 14 5.58984ZM9.1875 4.25C9.1875 3.53906 9.76172 2.9375 10.5 2.9375C11.2109 2.9375 11.8125 3.53906 11.8125 4.25C11.8125 4.98828 11.2109 5.5625 10.5 5.5625C9.76172 5.5625 9.1875 4.98828 9.1875 4.25Z\" fill=\"#FFB81C\"></path>\n</svg>\n</div>\n<div>The stock still looks expensive on a three-year time horizon. </div>\n</li>\n</ul><div><p>The stock market is soaring yet again. But this time, <strong>Tesla</strong> <span>(TSLA<span> 6.25%</span>)</span> is not leading the charge. In fact, the market is up in spite of the electric vehicle (EV) leader.</p><p>Tesla shares have fallen a whopping 34% year to date (YTD) as of this writing, while the <strong>Nasdaq-100</strong> continues to rise. The stock is now off 60% from all-time highs, while the broad market is close to all-time highs.</p><p>We are at another crossroads with Tesla stock. Bulls will argue this is a perfect buying opportunity as the company prepares for its next leg of growth. Bears will argue the company is finally heading toward a normal valuation that a manufacturing-based business deserves to trade at.</p><p>Which group is right? Where will Tesla stock be in three years?</p><p><img src=\"https://media.ycharts.com/charts/ca18997db5b45fc34b0195b96aadff06.png\"/></p><p>TSLA Total Return Level data by YCharts</p><div><div></div></div><h2>More volume, lower margins</h2><p>Tesla continued to grow its unit volumes in 2023. It delivered 1.8 million cars to customers around the globe, up from 1.3 million in 2022 and 936,000 in 2021. This is impressive growth at scale, making Tesla one of the premier manufacturers of not just EVs, but cars in general. For reference, the largest automaker in the world is <strong>Toyota</strong>, which produces just over 10 million cars every year.</p><p>But to get this unit growth, Tesla has had to lower its prices. Its main products have evolved to the cheaper Model 3 and Y products, which go for less than its older X and S models. On top of this, Tesla has chosen -- or perhaps been forced -- to lower prices on the Model 3 and Y to grow unit volumes. We can see this dynamic in the price of used Teslas, which have collapsed by half from a relative peak in early 2022. </p><p>Lower prices have translated to slowing revenue growth and lower margins. In 2023, Tesla's revenue grew by 19% to $97 billion, but slowed down to just 3% growth in the fourth quarter. Gross margins slipped from 25.6% in 2022 to 18.2% in 2023, with operating income falling 35% for the year. Margins are deteriorating as Tesla goes for a greater global scale.</p><div><app :collapse_on_load=\"false\" :instrument_id=\"224257\" :show_benchmark_compare=\"false\" amount_change=\"10.23\" average_volume=\"105,720,004\" company_name=\"Tesla\" current_price=\"173.80\" daily_high=\"174.72\" daily_low=\"165.90\" default_period=\"OneMonth\" dividend_yield=\"N/A\" exchange=\"NASDAQ\" fifty_two_week_high=\"299.29\" fifty_two_week_low=\"152.37\" gross_margin=\"18.25\" logo=\"https://g.foolcdn.com/art/companylogos/mark/TSLA.png\" market_cap=\"$554B\" pe_ratio=\"40.39\" percent_change=\"6.25\" symbol=\"TSLA\" volume=\"1,878,337\"></app></div><h2>Can offering a new vehicle save the day?</h2><p>In order to reach even more customers, Tesla will likely need to come out with an even more affordable vehicle. It can only sell so many vehicles in the $40,000-and-over price range, even if it keeps dropping new vehicle prices for the Model 3 and Y around the globe. There are just not that many people on this planet who can afford to purchase a premium-priced EV.</p><div><div></div></div><p>To expand its pool of potential customers, Tesla is planning to bring out a new, cheaper vehicle within the next few years. Rumor has it's planned for sometime in 2025, with CEO Elon Musk giving a rough timeline in a recent earnings call. But readers should know that Musk timelines are never fully fleshed out, and this does not guarantee a new product will arrive in 2025. I think you can bet on a new product arriving within the next few years, though. </p><p>Offering a new vehicle could certainly help Tesla boost volumes. But if it comes at a cheaper price point of around $25,000, revenue growth will lag unit volume growth as the average sales price of all Teslas sold continues to decline. Investors need to factor this in when doing any estimates for Tesla's revenue potential in the coming years.</p><p><img src=\"https://media.ycharts.com/charts/08484fcc57cc756b9747d493fa58c63f.png\"/></p><p>TSLA Operating Margin (TTM) data by YCharts</p><h2>The stock still isn't cheap</h2><p>Smart investors know that it doesn't matter what a stock is earning now, but what it will earn within a few years. When looking at where Tesla stock will be within a few years, we need to make an estimate on its financial trajectory. Let's be optimistic and say it can triple volumes compared to 2023 in three years due to the successful launch of its mainstream cheaper vehicle. With volumes tripled, revenue should be able to double due to lower average selling prices.</p><div><div></div></div><p>Lastly, we can assume that Tesla's profit margins will remain similar to 2023 at 9.2%. It will lose margin on cheaper selling prices, but should be able to make it up with economies of scale. Toyota has similar operating margins, for reference. Double Tesla's 2023 revenue to $194 billion and slap on a 9.2% profit margin, and Tesla could be earning $17.8 billion in three years.</p><p>Today, Tesla has a market cap of $512 billion. Divide that by $17.8 billion, and you get a price-to-earnings ratio (P/E) of 29, which is a tad above the market average. From my seat, this indicates that Tesla stock may go nowhere over the next few years. It certainly isn't cheap, even after this recent drawdown, and could be a value trap for investors for a long while.</p><p>If you want to buy the dip, you need to be much more optimistic on the company's forward growth. 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But this time, Tesla (TSLA 6.25%) is not leading the charge. In fact, the market is up in spite of the electric vehicle (EV) leader.Tesla shares have fallen a whopping 34% year to date (YTD) as of this writing, while the Nasdaq-100 continues to rise. The stock is now off 60% from all-time highs, while the broad market is close to all-time highs.We are at another crossroads with Tesla stock. Bulls will argue this is a perfect buying opportunity as the company prepares for its next leg of growth. Bears will argue the company is finally heading toward a normal valuation that a manufacturing-based business deserves to trade at.Which group is right? Where will Tesla stock be in three years?TSLA Total Return Level data by YChartsMore volume, lower marginsTesla continued to grow its unit volumes in 2023. It delivered 1.8 million cars to customers around the globe, up from 1.3 million in 2022 and 936,000 in 2021. This is impressive growth at scale, making Tesla one of the premier manufacturers of not just EVs, but cars in general. For reference, the largest automaker in the world is Toyota, which produces just over 10 million cars every year.But to get this unit growth, Tesla has had to lower its prices. Its main products have evolved to the cheaper Model 3 and Y products, which go for less than its older X and S models. On top of this, Tesla has chosen -- or perhaps been forced -- to lower prices on the Model 3 and Y to grow unit volumes. We can see this dynamic in the price of used Teslas, which have collapsed by half from a relative peak in early 2022. Lower prices have translated to slowing revenue growth and lower margins. In 2023, Tesla's revenue grew by 19% to $97 billion, but slowed down to just 3% growth in the fourth quarter. Gross margins slipped from 25.6% in 2022 to 18.2% in 2023, with operating income falling 35% for the year. Margins are deteriorating as Tesla goes for a greater global scale.Can offering a new vehicle save the day?In order to reach even more customers, Tesla will likely need to come out with an even more affordable vehicle. It can only sell so many vehicles in the $40,000-and-over price range, even if it keeps dropping new vehicle prices for the Model 3 and Y around the globe. There are just not that many people on this planet who can afford to purchase a premium-priced EV.To expand its pool of potential customers, Tesla is planning to bring out a new, cheaper vehicle within the next few years. Rumor has it's planned for sometime in 2025, with CEO Elon Musk giving a rough timeline in a recent earnings call. But readers should know that Musk timelines are never fully fleshed out, and this does not guarantee a new product will arrive in 2025. I think you can bet on a new product arriving within the next few years, though. Offering a new vehicle could certainly help Tesla boost volumes. But if it comes at a cheaper price point of around $25,000, revenue growth will lag unit volume growth as the average sales price of all Teslas sold continues to decline. Investors need to factor this in when doing any estimates for Tesla's revenue potential in the coming years.TSLA Operating Margin (TTM) data by YChartsThe stock still isn't cheapSmart investors know that it doesn't matter what a stock is earning now, but what it will earn within a few years. When looking at where Tesla stock will be within a few years, we need to make an estimate on its financial trajectory. Let's be optimistic and say it can triple volumes compared to 2023 in three years due to the successful launch of its mainstream cheaper vehicle. With volumes tripled, revenue should be able to double due to lower average selling prices.Lastly, we can assume that Tesla's profit margins will remain similar to 2023 at 9.2%. It will lose margin on cheaper selling prices, but should be able to make it up with economies of scale. Toyota has similar operating margins, for reference. Double Tesla's 2023 revenue to $194 billion and slap on a 9.2% profit margin, and Tesla could be earning $17.8 billion in three years.Today, Tesla has a market cap of $512 billion. Divide that by $17.8 billion, and you get a price-to-earnings ratio (P/E) of 29, which is a tad above the market average. From my seat, this indicates that Tesla stock may go nowhere over the next few years. It certainly isn't cheap, even after this recent drawdown, and could be a value trap for investors for a long while.If you want to buy the dip, you need to be much more optimistic on the company's forward growth. Otherwise, Tesla stock will remain dead in the water.","news_type":1},"isVote":1,"tweetType":1,"viewCount":16,"authorTweetTopStatus":1,"verified":2,"comments":[],"imageCount":0,"langContent":"CN","totalScore":0},{"id":247532614463648,"gmtCreate":1701470672934,"gmtModify":1701470674295,"author":{"id":"4097468090150340","authorId":"4097468090150340","name":"Eddiexu","avatar":"https://static.tigerbbs.com/c4adcef4944f41626302842b4deef186","crmLevel":1,"crmLevelSwitch":0},"themes":[],"htmlText":"说说你对这篇新闻的看法...","listText":"说说你对这篇新闻的看法...","text":"说说你对这篇新闻的看法...","images":[],"top":1,"highlighted":1,"essential":1,"paper":1,"likeSize":0,"commentSize":0,"repostSize":0,"link":"https://laohu8.com/post/247532614463648","repostId":"2388926526","repostType":2,"repost":{"id":"2388926526","pubTimestamp":1701465031,"share":"https://www.laohu8.com/m/news/2388926526?lang=&edition=full","pubTime":"2023-12-02 05:10","market":"us","language":"en","title":"Rivian already has a patent on Tesla’s Cybertruck ‘range extender’","url":"https://stock-news.laohu8.com/highlight/detail?id=2388926526","media":"Electrek","summary":"Tesla delivered the first Cybertrucks yesterday, and with that delivery event came the revelation that in order to get the range it promised, the Cybertruck needs a separate battery pack in the bed. But a similar battery pack system was already patented years ago, by one of Tesla’s competitors in the electric pick-up space.","content":"<html><body><div>\n<figure>\n<img fetchpriority=\"high\" height=\"1000\" src=\"https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2023/12/Screen-Shot-2019-02-21-at-11.40.49-AM-e1550778199368.jpg?quality=82&strip=all&w=1538\" srcset=\"https://i0.wp.com/electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2023/12/Screen-Shot-2019-02-21-at-11.40.49-AM-e1550778199368.jpg?w=320&quality=82&strip=all&ssl=1 320w, https://i0.wp.com/electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2023/12/Screen-Shot-2019-02-21-at-11.40.49-AM-e1550778199368.jpg?w=640&quality=82&strip=all&ssl=1 640w, https://i0.wp.com/electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2023/12/Screen-Shot-2019-02-21-at-11.40.49-AM-e1550778199368.jpg?w=1024&quality=82&strip=all&ssl=1 1024w, https://i0.wp.com/electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2023/12/Screen-Shot-2019-02-21-at-11.40.49-AM-e1550778199368.jpg?w=1500&quality=82&strip=all&ssl=1 1500w\" width=\"1538\"/>\n</figure>\n<p>Tesla delivered the first Cybertrucks yesterday, and with that delivery event came the revelation that in order to get the range it promised, the Cybertruck needs a separate battery pack in the bed. But a similar battery pack system was already patented years ago, by one of Tesla’s competitors in the electric pick-up space.</p>\n<span></span><ins></ins>\n<p>Tesla’s Cybertruck website included a revelation about a feature that wasn’t mentioned in its presentation: a “range extender,” in the form of an additional battery pack in the truck bed which expands the truck’s range.</p>\n<p>It’s an interesting solution, and we don’t know all the details of it yet. We don’t know the cost, the weight, how it will be installed and uninstalled, or whether it even <em>can</em> be uninstalled.</p>\n<p>The battery pack is intended to be used “for very long trips or towing heavy things up mountains,” according to Tesla CEO Elon Musk. It takes up about a third of the truck bed, as can be seen in a photo posted on Tesla’s Cybertruck site.</p>\n<figure><img decoding=\"async\" fetchpriority=\"high\" height=\"1634\" sizes=\"(max-width: 3416px) 100vw, 3416px\" src=\"https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2023/11/Tesla-Range-extender-battery-pack.jpg?quality=82&strip=all&w=1024\" srcset=\"https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2023/11/Tesla-Range-extender-battery-pack.jpg 3416w, https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2023/11/Tesla-Range-extender-battery-pack.jpg?resize=150,72 150w, https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2023/11/Tesla-Range-extender-battery-pack.jpg?resize=300,144 300w, https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2023/11/Tesla-Range-extender-battery-pack.jpg?resize=768,367 768w, https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2023/11/Tesla-Range-extender-battery-pack.jpg?resize=1024,490 1024w, https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2023/11/Tesla-Range-extender-battery-pack.jpg?resize=1536,735 1536w, https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2023/11/Tesla-Range-extender-battery-pack.jpg?resize=2048,980 2048w, https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2023/11/Tesla-Range-extender-battery-pack.jpg?resize=350,167 350w, https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2023/11/Tesla-Range-extender-battery-pack.jpg?resize=140,67 140w, https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2023/11/Tesla-Range-extender-battery-pack.jpg?resize=1600,765 1600w\" width=\"3416\"/></figure>\n<p>So, there’s still room for cargo, just not the full 6 feet of bed length that Tesla says the Cybertruck has.</p>\n<p>But the fact that it was described as being used only “for very long trips or towing heavy things up mountains” suggests that it will be removable, since most people don’t do that sort of thing every single day.</p>\n<p>Making it removable is actually a good solution, because it can lower prices, make packaging easier, and improve efficiency for vehicles that simply don’t need a ridiculously enormous 470-mile battery – and most drivers don’t need that.</p>\n<p>And if it is removable, well, there’s already a patent on that.</p>\n<figure>\n<figure><img decoding=\"async\" height=\"1185\" src=\"https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2023/12/US20190016231A1-20190117-D00002-e1701463633465.png?w=1024\" width=\"2947\"/></figure>\n<figure><img decoding=\"async\" height=\"1317\" loading=\"lazy\" src=\"https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2023/12/US20190016231A1-20190117-D00004-e1701463596670.png?w=1024\" width=\"3118\"/></figure>\n<figure><img decoding=\"async\" height=\"1832\" loading=\"lazy\" src=\"https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2023/12/US20190016231A1-20190117-D00005-e1701463615370.png?w=1024\" width=\"2806\"/></figure>\n<figure><img decoding=\"async\" height=\"1372\" loading=\"lazy\" src=\"https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2023/12/US20190016231A1-20190117-D00006-e1701463642991.png?w=1024\" width=\"2947\"/></figure>\n<figure><img decoding=\"async\" height=\"2113\" loading=\"lazy\" src=\"https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2023/12/US20190016231A1-20190117-D00007-e1701463624942.png?w=1024\" width=\"2767\"/></figure>\n<figure><img decoding=\"async\" height=\"1645\" loading=\"lazy\" src=\"https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2023/12/US20190016231A1-20190117-D00012-e1701463605659.png?w=1024\" width=\"2198\"/></figure>\n<figure><img decoding=\"async\" height=\"2058\" loading=\"lazy\" src=\"https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2023/12/US20190016231A1-20190117-D00001-e1701463588112.png?w=1024\" width=\"2978\"/></figure>\n</figure>\n<p>In 2019, electric truck maker Rivian filed a patent for a “removable auxiliary battery” that would fit into the front third-or-so of the truck bed. This patent was granted in 2020, so Rivian currently has a patent on this technology.</p>\n<p>The patent is described as:</p>\n<blockquote>\n<p>An electric vehicle system for transporting human passengers or cargo includes an electric vehicle that includes a body, a plurality of wheels, a cargo area, an electric motor for propelling the electric vehicle, and a primary battery for providing electrical power to the electric motor for propelling the electric vehicle. An auxiliary battery module is attachable to the electric vehicle for providing electrical power to the electric motor via a first electrical connector at the auxiliary battery module and a second electrical connector at the electric vehicle that mates with the first electrical connector. The auxiliary battery module can be positioned in the cargo area while supplying power to the electric motor, and can be removable and reattachable from the electric vehicle. The auxiliary battery module includes an integrated cooling system for cooling itself during operation of the electric vehicle including a conduit therein for circulating coolant.</p>\n</blockquote>\n<p>We aren’t patent lawyers here, but this sounds awfully similar to Tesla’s “range extender.” The obvious potential differences we can find are if the range extender doesn’t have integrated cooling, which is unlikely, or if the range extender isn’t removable, which doesn’t seem to jive with the statement that it is only for long trips or with the marketing showing it as an optional add-on (if that were the case, why not just offer different battery sizes?).</p>\n<p>Tesla itself has many patents (and is still pursuing more of them), but has pledged not to “initiate patent lawsuits against anyone who, in good faith, wants to use its technology.” It announced this in a 2014 blog post, and followed up by saying that it thinks several companies are using its patents.</p>\n<p>So next, the question is: is Tesla’s solution different enough to avoid Rivian’s patent protection? Has Tesla licensed the idea from Rivian, and we just haven’t heard about it yet? Or will Rivian return Tesla’s “good faith” and not initiate a patent lawsuit against Tesla, if it does feel like it has a good enough case to say that Tesla’s range extender infringes on its patent?</p>\n</div></body></html>","source":"electrek_highlight","collect":0,"html":"<!DOCTYPE html>\n<html>\n<head>\n<meta http-equiv=\"Content-Type\" content=\"text/html; charset=utf-8\" />\n<meta name=\"viewport\" content=\"width=device-width,initial-scale=1.0,minimum-scale=1.0,maximum-scale=1.0,user-scalable=no\"/>\n<meta name=\"format-detection\" content=\"telephone=no,email=no,address=no\" />\n<title>Rivian already has a patent on Tesla’s Cybertruck ‘range extender’</title>\n<style type=\"text/css\">\na,abbr,acronym,address,applet,article,aside,audio,b,big,blockquote,body,canvas,caption,center,cite,code,dd,del,details,dfn,div,dl,dt,\nem,embed,fieldset,figcaption,figure,footer,form,h1,h2,h3,h4,h5,h6,header,hgroup,html,i,iframe,img,ins,kbd,label,legend,li,mark,menu,nav,\nobject,ol,output,p,pre,q,ruby,s,samp,section,small,span,strike,strong,sub,summary,sup,table,tbody,td,tfoot,th,thead,time,tr,tt,u,ul,var,video{ font:inherit;margin:0;padding:0;vertical-align:baseline;border:0 }\nbody{ font-size:16px; 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But a similar battery pack system was already patented years ago, by one of Tesla’s competitors in the electric pick-up space.\n\nTesla’s Cybertruck website included a revelation about a feature that wasn’t mentioned in its presentation: a “range extender,” in the form of an additional battery pack in the truck bed which expands the truck’s range.\nIt’s an interesting solution, and we don’t know all the details of it yet. We don’t know the cost, the weight, how it will be installed and uninstalled, or whether it even can be uninstalled.\nThe battery pack is intended to be used “for very long trips or towing heavy things up mountains,” according to Tesla CEO Elon Musk. It takes up about a third of the truck bed, as can be seen in a photo posted on Tesla’s Cybertruck site.\n\nSo, there’s still room for cargo, just not the full 6 feet of bed length that Tesla says the Cybertruck has.\nBut the fact that it was described as being used only “for very long trips or towing heavy things up mountains” suggests that it will be removable, since most people don’t do that sort of thing every single day.\nMaking it removable is actually a good solution, because it can lower prices, make packaging easier, and improve efficiency for vehicles that simply don’t need a ridiculously enormous 470-mile battery – and most drivers don’t need that.\nAnd if it is removable, well, there’s already a patent on that.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nIn 2019, electric truck maker Rivian filed a patent for a “removable auxiliary battery” that would fit into the front third-or-so of the truck bed. This patent was granted in 2020, so Rivian currently has a patent on this technology.\nThe patent is described as:\n\nAn electric vehicle system for transporting human passengers or cargo includes an electric vehicle that includes a body, a plurality of wheels, a cargo area, an electric motor for propelling the electric vehicle, and a primary battery for providing electrical power to the electric motor for propelling the electric vehicle. An auxiliary battery module is attachable to the electric vehicle for providing electrical power to the electric motor via a first electrical connector at the auxiliary battery module and a second electrical connector at the electric vehicle that mates with the first electrical connector. The auxiliary battery module can be positioned in the cargo area while supplying power to the electric motor, and can be removable and reattachable from the electric vehicle. The auxiliary battery module includes an integrated cooling system for cooling itself during operation of the electric vehicle including a conduit therein for circulating coolant.\n\nWe aren’t patent lawyers here, but this sounds awfully similar to Tesla’s “range extender.” The obvious potential differences we can find are if the range extender doesn’t have integrated cooling, which is unlikely, or if the range extender isn’t removable, which doesn’t seem to jive with the statement that it is only for long trips or with the marketing showing it as an optional add-on (if that were the case, why not just offer different battery sizes?).\nTesla itself has many patents (and is still pursuing more of them), but has pledged not to “initiate patent lawsuits against anyone who, in good faith, wants to use its technology.” It announced this in a 2014 blog post, and followed up by saying that it thinks several companies are using its patents.\nSo next, the question is: is Tesla’s solution different enough to avoid Rivian’s patent protection? Has Tesla licensed the idea from Rivian, and we just haven’t heard about it yet? Or will Rivian return Tesla’s “good faith” and not initiate a patent lawsuit against Tesla, if it does feel like it has a good enough case to say that Tesla’s range extender infringes on its patent?","news_type":1},"isVote":1,"tweetType":1,"viewCount":49,"authorTweetTopStatus":1,"verified":2,"comments":[],"imageCount":0,"langContent":"CN","totalScore":0},{"id":622155122,"gmtCreate":1675318829666,"gmtModify":1675318830779,"author":{"id":"4097468090150340","authorId":"4097468090150340","name":"Eddiexu","avatar":"https://static.tigerbbs.com/c4adcef4944f41626302842b4deef186","crmLevel":1,"crmLevelSwitch":0},"themes":[],"htmlText":"<a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/00700\">$腾讯控股(00700)$ </a><v-v data-views=\"1\"></v-v>看多","listText":"<a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/00700\">$腾讯控股(00700)$ </a><v-v data-views=\"1\"></v-v>看多","text":"$腾讯控股(00700)$ 看多","images":[],"top":1,"highlighted":1,"essential":1,"paper":1,"likeSize":0,"commentSize":0,"repostSize":0,"link":"https://laohu8.com/post/622155122","isVote":1,"tweetType":1,"viewCount":392,"authorTweetTopStatus":1,"verified":2,"comments":[],"imageCount":0,"langContent":"CN","totalScore":0}],"lives":[]}
